Vsed, dehydration and alcohol

[yellowjasmine88]

If one did vsed with intermittent alcohol-consumption which is also dehydrating, would it speed up the ctb?

This is serious, but I can see the humorous side of it too!
Vsed - voluntarily stop eating and drinking

 

[Chiisai]

If one did vsed with intermittent alcohol-consumption which is also dehydrating, would it speed up the ctb?

This is serious, but I can see the humorous side of it too!
Vsed - voluntarily stop eating and drinking

It never crossed my mind to pair it with alcohol. I tried vsed and further experimented it with distilled water in hopes of hemolysis and dehydration.

This is interesting... True that consumption of alcohol is dehydrating and further consumption gives a probable chance of vomiting thus further dehydrating and loss of electrolytes. However, as vsed becomes painful on the first few days, I believe adding alcohol would cause more pain and discomfort.... But I guess that wont matter if one is already passed out drunk. The question now would be, which would come first; passing out drunk and death or the pain and discomfort.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

@Chiisai

Or one could go on a hardcore alcohol binge first, then start vsed.

I don't know, I think there might be possibilities there...
I read in an archived thread you tried vsed for some days. Could you imagine using alcohol as well? I don't know, it could be a terrible idea or it could work.

I'm planning to start vsed in some days, I might start off hard with a couple of nights' use of alcohol and no food. Don't know if the intoxication or the discomfort will be first, as you say, but as I've tried fasting on water before, (although never dehydration) I think I can handle either.

 

[Chiisai]

Or one could go on a hardcore alcohol binge, then start vsed..

I don't know, I think there might be possibilities there...
I read in an archived thread you tried vsed for some days. Could you imagine using alcohol as well? I don't know, it could be a terrible idea or it could work.

I'm planning to start vsed in some days, I might start off hard with a couple of nights' use of alcohol and no food. Don't know if the intoxication or the discomfort will be first, as you say, but as I've tried fasting on water before, (although never dehydration) I think I can handle either.

Hmmm... If it werent for the alcohol prohibition back then at the height of the pandemic, I could have thought of it. I believe it will be the end of me too if I drank heavily knowing of my impaired liver due to my genetic disorder. Though in my case, I doubt it would be peaceful and painless as I am already suffering frequent abdominal pains even to medicine and antibiotics.

Only one way to find out though. I wish you peace and the best of outcomes.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

Hmmm... If it werent for the alcohol prohibition back then at the height of the pandemic, I could have thought of it. I believe it will be the end of me too if I drank heavily knowing of my impaired liver due to my genetic disorder. Though in my case, I doubt it would be peaceful and painless as I am already suffering frequent abdominal pains even to medicine and antibiotics.

Only one way to find out though. I wish you peace and the best of outcomes.

Oh they restricted alcohol in the pandemic? I didn't know that.

Sorry to hear about your disorder, that's too bad (not only in this regard)!
I read someone here suggesting alcohol poisoning with enema as it bypasses the digestive system, maybe I'll use that if I can. I realise it's an awkward thing, but well, I'm genuinely desperate.

I hope you're doing alright! And wish you peace likewise <3
/Jas

Edit: yea, it's not all nice and comfy, I know.

 

[Chiisai]

Oh they restricted alcohol in the pandemic? I didn't know that.

Sorry to hear about your disorder, that's too bad (not only in this regard)!
I read someone here suggesting alcohol poisoning with enema as it bypasses the digestive system, maybe I'll use that if I can. I realise it's an awkward thing, but well, I'm genuinely desperate.

I hope you're doing alright! And wish you peace likewise <3
/Jas

Thank you! Yes heard of that bypass thing but passed on that idea because its awkward. Might be a good idea if one is living alone but damn Im with my family. I cant imagine what they would say if they found me with my behind out spewing alcohol. Hahaha

 

[yellowjasmine88]

Thank you! Yes heard of that bypass thing but passed on that idea because its awkward. Might be a good idea if one is living alone but damn Im with my family. I cant imagine what they would say if they found me with my behind out spewing alcohol. Hahaha

Oh dear, no - that would be tough to manage also explaining what's going on.. :D
Well, anyway - I'm starting the vsed the 5th of January. You're welcome to write a dm if you ever want to talk!

 

[wait.what]

If one did vsed with intermittent alcohol-consumption which is also dehydrating, would it speed up the ctb?

This is serious, but I can see the humorous side of it too!
Vsed - voluntarily stop eating and drinking

I can't recommend it. The quickest way alcohol dehydrates you is by making you vomit a whole lot. Also, alcohol is packed with calories. Depending on how much you're drinking, you could quickly hit or exceed your energy requirements from alcohol, despite the fact that you're "fasting."

Isn't VSED the traditional Buddhist way to ctb? Surely someone compiled advice on that topic at some point over the centuries?

 

[StarryStarry]

It never crossed my mind to pair it with alcohol. I tried vsed and further experimented it with distilled water in hopes of hemolysis and dehydration.

This is interesting... True that consumption of alcohol is dehydrating and further consumption gives a probable chance of vomiting thus further dehydrating and loss of electrolytes. However, as vsed becomes painful on the first few days, I believe adding alcohol would cause more pain and discomfort.... But I guess that wont matter if one is already passed out drunk. The question now would be, which would come first; passing out drunk and death or the pain and discomfort.

I also tried this and not eating was easy. Drinking was difficult. Once you stop you can't even take swallows of liquid or you need to start over again. The first couple of days are difficult but after that (about a week) you're pretty tired and lethargic it's not a big deal. Not painful, just discomfort.

 

[Chiisai]

I also tried this and not eating was easy. Drinking was difficult. Once you stop you can't even take swallows of liquid or you need to start over again. The first couple of days are difficult but after that (about a week) you're pretty tired and lethargic it's not a big deal. Not painful, just discomfort.

For a week?? Whoa. Couldnt bear it at day 5.

 

[StarryStarry]

For a week?? Whoa. Couldnt bear it at day 5.

It's definitely not easy unless you're already dying, but it is mind over matter. We are so used to just going to the refrigerator to get a drink of whatever we do it without even thinking. What you need to do is clean out every drink in your house, put a note on the tap and try it. After a couple of days it's not bad. Mouth is dry - just brush your teeth. Oh btw, I learned nothing of this on SS. All from Google. Just in case any asshole wants to know.

 

[Chiisai]

I can't recommend it. The quickest way alcohol dehydrates you is by making you vomit a whole lot. Also, alcohol is packed with calories. Depending on how much you're drinking, you could quickly hit or exceed your energy requirements from alcohol, despite the fact that you're "fasting."
Ydra
Isn't VSED the traditional Buddhist way to ctb? Surely someone compiled advice on that topic at some point over the centuries?

Interesting. Forgot that alcoholic drinks contain calories. However, if I remember correctly, what ultimately causes death in VSED is dehydration as even when not eating, one can survive for weeks/month but the lack of fluids can only make an individual last for days. Also I believe alcohol hastens the loss of consciousness process as, aside from the alcohol being a depressant, it dehydrates the body and also impairs the kidneys function to filter blood causing an increase in blood urea thus the loss of consciousness. I hope I got that right.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

It's definitely not easy unless you're already dying, but it is mind over matter. We are so used to just going to the refrigerator to get a drink of whatever we do it without even thinking. What you need to do is clean out every drink in your house, put a note on the tap and try it. After a couple of days it's not bad. Mouth is dry - just brush your teeth. Oh btw, I learned nothing of this on SS. All from Google. Just in case any asshole wants to know.

Asshole?

Oh dear, no - that would be tough to manage also explaining what's going on.. :D
Well, anyway - I'm starting the vsed the 5th of January. You're welcome to write a dm if you ever want to talk!

 

[Chiisai]

Asshole?

With the recent NYT issue, Starry might have meant it as someone who lurks and find faults in this forum.

Oh my. Are you starting that soon? I wish you peace and the best outcome then. Also, thanks for the offer to write you! Id love to! I drop by once in a while since the holidays are over now and Im going off the grid again. If I do, I'll write you.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

With the recent NYT issue, Starry might have meant it as someone who lurks and find faults in this forum.

Oh my. Are you starting that soon? I wish you peace and the best outcome then. Also, thanks for the offer to write you! Id love to! I drop by once in a while since the holidays are over now and Im going off the grid again. If I do, I'll write you.

Ah, I get it now, thank you.

Right, mid-week - and thanks! Wish you a good new year's start with work or school or whatever you're up to :)

I thought about using diuretics also. Pre-fast/vsed. I remember when I used them I'd be quite dehydrated from it for days after, I think it might hasten the process.

 

[StarryStarry]

With the recent NYT issue, Starry might have meant it as someone who lurks and find faults in this forum.

Oh my. Are you starting that soon? I wish you peace and the best outcome then. Also, thanks for the offer to write you! Id love to! I drop by once in a while since the holidays are over now and Im going off the grid again. If I do, I'll write you.

Thank you Chiisai - you know me well. I guess there are times I think people can read my mind.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

What about long walks in the beginning of the vsed? I think it would be ok comfortability-wise in the first days/ week of it.

 

[Chiisai]

What about long walks in the beginning of the vsed? I think it would be ok comfortability-wise in the first days/ week of it.

Hmmm... Paired with Diuretics plus alcohol? Wont it be hard to navigate then if youre drunk and dehydrated?

 

[yellowjasmine88]

Well yes, I took into consideration the facts that alcohol has calories and some liquid usually as well so I decided without it in the fast, I'm going with just diuretics pre-fast and then some walks during.

 

[Chiisai]

Well yes, I took into consideration the facts that alcohol has calories and some liquid usually as well so I decided without it in the fast, I'm going with just diuretics pre-fast and then some walks during.

Oh I see. Well have you tried vsed before and you were still able to have long walks? If yes, I guess its ok. As for me, I was already suffering dizzy spells even in the first few days of the fast so I just stayed in bed.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

Oh I see. Well have you tried vsed before and you were still able to have long walks? If yes, I guess its ok. As for me, I was already suffering dizzy spells even in the first few days of the fast so I just stayed in bed.

No not full dry fast, but on water for nine days. I don't think the two are comparable, but I think I'll be able to take some calm walks.

 

[Chiisai]

No not full dry fast, but on water for nine days. I don't think the two are comparable, but I think I'll be able to take some calm walks.

I see. I thought you're going long walks while fully dry, surprised me there. Haha Well it seems you have everything planned already. I now wish you well and the best outcome.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

I see. I thought you're going long walks while fully dry, surprised me there. Haha Well it seems you have everything planned already. I now wish you well and the best outcome.

Yes I will indeed try to get on slow but long walks on the fast. To clear up, I have never tried that though. Might not be able to, I'll have to see how it goes.

 

[Chiisai]

Yes I will indeed try to get on slow but long walks on the fast. To clear up, I have never tried that though. Might not be able to, I'll have to see how it goes.

Oh. Do you have someone that can assist you just in case you get dizzy spells or other concerns?

 

[yellowjasmine88]

No unfortunately not, but I don't faint easily, I'll just take it easy. I do understand that dehydration and dry fasting is extreme, but I've handled water fasting well, and although they're not exactly the same, I think I have a sense of what it will be like the first handful of days.

 

[Chiisai]

No unfortunately not, but I don't faint easily, I'll just take it easy. I do understand that dehydration and dry fasting is extreme, but I've handled water fasting well, and although they're not exactly the same, I think I have a sense of what it will be like the first handful of days.

I see. Happy trails then. Will you be documenting your experience? Everything here seems like an experiment so it might help others know more about it and having more options.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

I see. Happy trails then. Will you be documenting your experience? Everything here seems like an experiment so it might help others know more about it and having more options.

Thanks a lot :) I don't know to what extent yet but will be around on SS and talk to you guys.

We'll see how much of it will be any useful info. :)

 

[Zeus35]

If one did vsed with intermittent alcohol-consumption which is also dehydrating, would it speed up the ctb?

This is serious, but I can see the humorous side of it too!
Vsed - voluntarily stop eating and drinking

No VSED literally means not eating or drinking. Drinking any beveridge even alcohol will actually mean that you have to start the VSED all over again each time you do it. I died a few years ago from VSED Internationally it took just over a week maybe 9 days? I stayed in bed the whole time because I I was weak. You cannot eat or drink anything.

 

[13_reasons]

No VSED literally means not eating or drinking. Drinking any beveridge even alcohol will actually mean that you have to start the VSED all over again each time you do it. I died a few years ago from VSED Internationally it took just over a week maybe 9 days? I stayed in bed the whole time because I I was weak. You cannot eat or drink anything.

I'm so curious- what happened here when you say that you died from VSED? Were you found in a coma and then resuscitated ?

 

[Zeus35]

I'm so curious- what happened here when you say that you died from VSED? Were you found in a coma and then resuscitated ?

No, I felt my soul leave my body and saw the world blacken around me. I then heard a voice say "is this what you really want" and it then said "it's not your time" I was suddenly back in my body. I could have been in a come I'm not sure but personally I believe I died and then came back to life because I felt my organs shutting down and I felt my heart beat for the last time.