Method Updated SN method MegaThread (2022)

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I wouldn't say that it's not reccomend, more that it's not necessary.

Stomach acidity plays no role in SN breakdown, due to its high solubility.

Apparently stomach acidity does seem to play a role because it converts nitrite into nitrate and it also converts into NO2. I don't know I'm not a chemist. I believe at first the reason they were mentioning antacids is to stop this process from happening, but from what's being explained briefly and not very professionally from Philip is that NO2 causes a blood pressure drop. It's also a vasodilator which I guess would make sense that it causes you to go unconscious quicker. I don't really know. At this point I'm not stressing myself over any of this because at the end of the day all you need is the nitrite itself.

sorry i thought you said god not "guide" my bad

It's okay it did at first come to think about it I was using speech to text I had to edit it no worries

 

[Obliviate]

Maybe this thread is going to cause a little bit more confusion especially for people who are new. I believe the guide mentions other medications that you can take if you don't want to take Meto, and if I'm not mistaken the PPH mentions it as well.

I can see why it would be confusing to someone new. Essentially a dopamine blocker was specifically mentioned. If anyone is new I urge you all to read stan's guide to SN and any other major SN thread first. This is just a thread for any new issues that are arising with the old method.

That's definitely a personal decision. I feel that many others on this forum are under the impression that all the medications are necessary, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

Regardless of what method someone chooses for their CTB plan, there is going to be some discomfort. Heck, even a natural death is uncomfortable.

Thanks for your reply. That makes it better since I have little in way of the other meds. If I can just take SN and deal with it as I die, then whatever side effects it has are a moot point

The other medications are not necessary but they will aid and help ALOT with the process. Like in stan's guide, essentially if you throw up the SN because remember it is a poison, your body will try naturally to fight and expel it. If you throw it all up, there's a chance of survival which can lead to long term damage. For example, I personally vomit very easily so I wouldn't attempt this method without the other medications unless I am extremely desperate. It all comes down to you knowing your body the best.

 

[Jrmull1993]

Apparently stomach acidity does seem to play a role because it converts nitrite into nitrate and it also converts into NO2. I don't know I'm not a chemist. I believe at first the reason they were mentioning antacids is to stop this process from happening, but from what's being explained briefly and not very professionally from Philip is that NO2 causes a blood pressure drop. It's also a vasodilator which I guess would make sense that it causes you to go unconscious quicker. I don't really know. At this point I'm not stressing myself over any of this because at the end of the day all you need is the nitrite itself.

Thanks for sharing that. I can see the possibility of it off-gassing very slight amounts of NO2, but it would be useless as CO2 would be trapped due to little O2 exchange going on.

As far as Sodium Nitrite (NaNO2) becoming Sodium Nitrate (NaNO3), that wouldn't be possible without the presence of ammonia, which is not present in the stomach.

 

[Zerengin96]

i would appreciate a good SN source within the EU, please contact me in PM if you have one.

 

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Thanks for sharing that. I can see the possibility of it off-gassing very slight amounts of NO2, but it would be useless as CO2 would be trapped due to little O2 exchange going on.

As far as Sodium Nitrite (NaNO2) becoming Sodium Nitrate (NaNO3), that wouldn't be possible without the presence of ammonia, which is not present in the stomach.

Hmmm. That's odd. That's not what I've been reading on the forum. Source?

 

[DreamEnd]

so is the stans method or stat method better for a peaceful exit?

 

[gimzero]

A cilrotron is a alternative as anti emetic but how dose of SN can you take it the 20 or the 25 !

 

[eve2004]

Antacids may not be necessary and may delay the process a little, but if it prevents vomiting, then I think one should take it. Ideally people should know if they are susceptible to vomiting due to stomach issues, and if antacids work for them to reduce this.

In my experience, the antacid (H2, famotidine) eliminated the nausea completely. Tested twice, once without, second time with.

 

[Jrmull1993]

Hmmm. That's odd. That's not what I've been reading on the forum. Source?

I did some research, here are some corroborating sources.

ammonia and acidity of gastric juice

Nitrification vs Denitrification

 

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I did some research, here are some corroborating sources.

ammonia and acidity of gastric juice

Nitrification vs Denitrification

Well PN and Stan must both me wrong. Thanks for sharing. I'm not really finding any other information about ammonia being needed to convert it into nitrate. Maybe I'm not doing the right research I'm not a very smart person anyway.

 

[Lawliet]

This worries me about it as well, but it seems like many people have used it when following the guide. Hard to know what to do.
Anyone have any advice or experience using meto or other AE's?

i've used meto for gastroparesis for the past year, twice a day daily. i've had no side effects at all.

there's always this crazy rare side effect that happens with each drug, but this one has saved my life and given me the ability to actually eat.

 

[Zerengin96]

Is an antacid necessary for the SN method? Right now i have 96 percent SN, painkillers such as Ibuprofen and Paracetamol and metoclopramide.

 

[Joeydoe]

Thanks for sharing that. I can see the possibility of it off-gassing very slight amounts of NO2, but it would be useless as CO2 would be trapped due to little O2 exchange going on.

As far as Sodium Nitrite (NaNO2) becoming Sodium Nitrate (NaNO3), that wouldn't be possible without the presence of ammonia, which is not present in the stomach.

So you're saying that you are aware of a biochemical reaction which has failed to be disclosed anywhere, by any doctor or other expert, in any book or live discussion or chat forum, until by you, just now?

Antacids may not be necessary and may delay the process a little, but if it prevents vomiting, then I think one should take it. Ideally people should know if they are susceptible to vomiting due to stomach issues, and if antacids work for them to reduce this.

In my experience, the antacid (H2, famotidine) eliminated the nausea completely. Tested twice, once without, second time with.

What do you mean by "tested?"

 

[Jrmull1993]

So you're saying that you are aware of a biochemical reaction which has failed to be disclosed anywhere, by any doctor or other expert, in any book or live discussion or chat forum, until by you, just now?

Actually it's taken right from a study published in the Yonsei Medical Journal.

It's a short 5 page read......

 

[Joeydoe]

Hey Guys, I feel like everyone is getting all confused with the strategies of the SN methods as alot of them are outdated and old so I thought maybe we should start a new mega thread with updated research? Also does anyone have 2022 PPEH?

 

[Obliviate]

Is an antacid necessary for the SN method? Right now i have 96 percent SN, painkillers such as Ibuprofen and Paracetamol and metoclopramide.

So due to the updated version of the PPH, they are no longer necessary

 

[catwalk]

can i take no antiemtics and just drink more when i vomit?
also, is there a limit to the dose? does anything bad happen if i take like 60g for example?

 

[wljourney]

can i take no antiemtics and just drink more when i vomit?
also, is there a limit to the dose? does anything bad happen if i take like 60g for example?

Yes you can.
There is no dose limit per se but the more you take, the more likely it is that you will throw up.
So it is best to stick with the suggested amounts. It's more than enough to CTB.
Don't overdo it and risk failing because of it.

 

[backthatwayupahead]

are there any OTC antiemetics that would work?

 

[Obliviate]

are there any OTC antiemetics that would work?

According to stan's method, beta blockers are the actual effective ones. You can go to a doctor and claim vomiting/nausea and get them to prescribe/buy online

 

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That is the only current PPH that we have access to right now. & The PPH is updated monthly if you are a member of Exit or purchased it I believe.

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By not taking an antacid you lose consciousness quicker.
NO2 is a vasodilator.

sorry Edit: NO is a vasodilator

 

[anna1234888]

the only current PPeH is the one from april 2022. you can access it through this link: https://cdn3.bunkr.is/PPeH_April_2022-FcRmORJl.pdf

I would like some clarification on something in this PDF. It said that a note should be displayed if you use cyn or azide should I also write a note for the medical professionals if I use SN? I don't want one of them to be injured because of me.


Ok one last question, since Metocloperamide is slightly dangerous and I am very susceptible to side effects of medication, how advisable is using Dramamine instead? Oh or what about zofran? thats an easy one to get. a lot of the meds mentioned in stan's guide would be odd to perscribe to someone like me and it wouldnt make sense to go to a doctor about them but dramamine is otc and zofran is easy to get where im at

 

[backthatwayupahead]

what brand of SN is recommended? does anyone know if DIYChemicals is 99% pure?

According to stan's method, beta blockers are the actual effective ones. You can go to a doctor and claim vomiting/nausea and get them to prescribe/buy online

would meclizine work?

 

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I would like some clarification on something in this PDF. It said that a note should be displayed if you use cyn or azide should I also write a note for the medical professionals if I use SN? I don't want one of them to be injured because of me.


Ok one last question, since Metocloperamide is slightly dangerous and I am very susceptible to side effects of medication, how advisable is using Dramamine instead? Oh or what about zofran? thats an easy one to get. a lot of the meds mentioned in stan's guide would be odd to perscribe to someone like me and it wouldnt make sense to go to a doctor about them but dramamine is otc and zofran is easy to get where im at

You can use zofran.

what brand of SN is recommended? does anyone know if DIYChemicals is 99% pure?

would meclizine work?

That brand has been tested yes it is good

 

[yuzuchan]

Apart from not taking antacids
Is everything in stans guide still good?

 

[Euthanza]

Apart from not taking antacids
Is everything in stans guide still good?

I believe it's still good, unless you have contraindications with meto then may replace it with other AE such as Domperidone and Ondansetron.

 

[yuzuchan]

I believe it's still good, unless you have contraindications with meto then may replace it with other AE such as Domperidone and Ondansetron.

Already have metro never taking it before so just hope I don't react badly.

Also have Mafans syndrome used to be on beta blockers already asked my Dr to be placed back on them.

Now if only I could get the main thing sn :/

I'm glad his guide is still good was following that and planning to do the 48 hour

 

[Joeydoe]

I did some research, here are some corroborating sources.

ammonia and acidity of gastric juice

Nitrification vs Denitrification

I'm sorry, but I'm dumb. Would you be so kind as to direct me where in either of the links it states specifically that "nitrite converts to nitrate ONLY in the presence of ammonia?"

 

[anna1234888]

You can use zofran.

And what about dramamine? I am going to the store today and can pic some up there.

 

[literallydonee]

According to stan's method, beta blockers are the actual effective ones. You can go to a doctor and claim vomiting/nausea and get them to prescribe/buy online

dopamine antagonists, not beta blockers. beta blockers are no longer recommended, although they probably are fine to use

Already have metro never taking it before so just hope I don't react badly.

Also have Mafans syndrome used to be on beta blockers already asked my Dr to be placed back on them.

Now if only I could get the main thing sn :/

I'm glad his guide is still good was following that and planning to do the 48 hour

if you don't know how you react to meto doing the 48h might be risky. that's a lot of meto in a short period of time for someone who has never used it.