uk people, is it more likely you'll be sectioned if it isn't your first attempt?

[viljalauss]

i mean. fingers crossed this works and there's enough time not to be found but yea. si can be a powerful thing and i'm also still working out antiemetics so i might slip up on that front - trying to cover all bases.

they were very ok to let me go home (though very late thanks to all the waiting times :) last time, i think since 1) part of the reason i attempted was grief, and they felt able to direct me to resources for that 2) i sort of convinced them that while i did attempt this time i wouldn't do it again (at least not in the near future) cause i failed. like ok i failed might as well move on from here. now, multiple things: 1) this would be the second attempt that landed me in hospital - though the last one was 2 years ago, so maybe it wouldn't seem as serious? 2) the effects would of course be way more serious - while i used what i used before with the same intent, it just... wasn't lethal. unpleasant, yes, but didn't need any real medical intervention - they just checked my vitals etc. were fine

honestly if it were just me i was concerned with maybe i would be fine w/being sectioned, say, for 24h or maybe longer (though it would be boring). like, play stupid games -> win stupid prizes. but my parents have my location (unless i disable it/switch wifi off, and that can get suspicious quickly. and i would need to be able to contact other people, esp my bf, though i guess i could do that via sms.. anyway sorry i'm getting distracted); i'm meant to be going home 4 days after the date i've set in stone so if i'm sectioned (or under medical care!) for longer than that, i'm fucked. if i survive, i do not want my family to know about my attempt under any circumstances. that might not sound realistic but uhh.. fingers crossed! :D i was able to list my bf as an emergency contact last time (verbally, in the ambulance - not for an attempt but smth else), but if i'm unconscious when they carry me in i'm not sure what i'd do. maybe a slip of paper. genuinely though like if i get

Spoiler: spoiler: gross

vomit in my hair or smth

i would rather cut my hair to hide it and endure the wrath of my transphobic parents (trust me, i cut my hair like 2in once and my mother flipped) than them knowing and having to live with the fact i attempted. i would rather die than have to live alone with my family for the next year (they said it's too early to move in with my bf lolol) but i would also rather have to live alone with them for the next year in relative. not calm but not tension either. than with them knowing i attempted and asking about it and trying to 'get to the bottom of it' when telling them the reasons when i am still in close vicinity of them is just not safe.

so yea i suppose my main question is how likely is it you'll be sectioned after a second attempt - also if anyone knows roughly how long it would take to recover from sn poisoning if saved or could point me to any threads that would be wonderful <33

 

[Ash]

It completely depends on the circumstances and your psychological state at the time of examination, not to mention bed availability etc. You might be asked to become a voluntary patient but again, it all depends and cannot be predicted by random people who don't know you or your detailed medical and psychological history.

 

[UKscotty]

The government here is ruthless, I doubt there are even open beds even if someone did want a voluntary section.

As long as you tell them what they want to hear, you will be sent home with a diary to write your feelings in and a leaflet with mental health charities. It's not the doctors fault, there is nothing else they have the resources to do.

Its absolutely horrific how little the government cares about suicide and suicide prevention.

 

[errorsinmypast]

The government here is ruthless, I doubt there are even open beds even if someone did want a voluntary section.

As long as you tell them what they want to hear, you will be sent home with a diary to write your feelings in and a leaflet with mental health charities. It's not the doctors fault, there is nothing else they have the resources to do.

Its absolutely horrific how little the government cares about suicide and suicide prevention.

This is so true! Along with the diary they'll suggest groups of people to meet up with and socialise my sister attempted ALOT before she ctb and they don't give a flying fuck. She seen someone different everytime, no consistency or nothing. They sectioned her before she even attempted then wouldn't have hardly anything to do with her when she finally did attempt, then maybe another 10 attempts and they still didn't section her. Needless to say she did eventually ctb and they were found to be at fault in numerous areas. I honestly think it depends on the area you live in, care is piss poor. Tbh I hope to dear God I never end up in the hands of the mental health team, they just throw hundreds of meds down your neck and that's about it.

 

[bunny_brownie9]

This is so true! Along with the diary they'll suggest groups of people to meet up with and socialise my sister attempted ALOT before she ctb and they don't give a flying fuck. She seen someone different everytime, no consistency or nothing. They sectioned her before she even attempted then wouldn't have hardly anything to do with her when she finally did attempt, then maybe another 10 attempts and they still didn't section her. Needless to say she did eventually ctb and they were found to be at fault in numerous areas. I honestly think it depends on the area you live in, care is piss poor. Tbh I hope to dear God I never end up in the hands of the mental health team, they just throw hundreds of meds down your neck and that's about it.

if you don't mind me asking, how long ago did your sister ctb? I wish it ended up differently for you.

Yep that's the thing. How can you feel safe and confident to speak to professionals when you see a different person each time. It's the same for the crisis team. Often in the past I've requested at least one female present due to trauma things, but two males have arrived (due to lack of staff or not caring). How can you try and recover when things like this aren't taken care of? UK MH services are a complete shambles.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

How can you feel safe and confident to speak to professionals when you see a different person each time. It's the same for the crisis team. Often in the past I've requested at least one female present due to trauma things, but two males have arrived (due to lack of staff or not caring). How can you try and recover when things like this aren't taken care of? UK MH services are a complete shambles.

I relate, when I was in a psych ward almost the entire staff were male. It was pretty uncomfortable given how little privacy there is in places like that (no locks on the bathroom door if there even is a door, room door doesn't always close, you're wearing a flimsy hospital gown with nothing underneath, etc.) The conditions are absolutely ripe for abuse.

 

[errorsinmypast]

if you don't mind me asking, how long ago did your sister ctb? I wish it ended up differently for you.

Yep that's the thing. How can you feel safe and confident to speak to professionals when you see a different person each time. It's the same for the crisis team. Often in the past I've requested at least one female present due to trauma things, but two males have arrived (due to lack of staff or not caring). How can you try and recover when things like this aren't taken care of? UK MH services are a complete shambles.

It's just over 1.5 years ago. The way she was treat was utterly and I mean utterly disgusting. At the time we kinda just brushed it under the carpet as we were so stressed with everything that was happening to her but now in hindsight I feel so so angry. As with all suicides they investigate the mental health team abd numerous failures were highlighted. To little to late tho huh. I mean she self harmed just before her section and then they never sectioned her again. If they had she might still be here. I mean maybe she wouldn't but we'll never know. When she was sectioned she was sent 400 miles away from home and was left to sit in her room most of the day, never even got any talking therapy. Purely vile system that fails people at every turn. God help anyone who needs the crisis team. Most of the staff are ill themselves and always off with depression and mental health issues. Speaks volumes, the Ill caring for the ill.....

 

[bunny_brownie9]

I relate, when I was in a psych ward almost the entire staff were male. It was pretty uncomfortable given how little privacy there is in places like that (no locks on the bathroom door if there even is a door, room door doesn't always close, you're wearing a flimsy hospital gown with nothing underneath, etc.) The conditions are absolutely ripe for abuse.

yep I understand. When on 1:1 with a male in the ward & having to use the bathroom, you'd have to wait for ages for them to find a female, or they say 'do it with the door slightly open and a female in view'. One of my experiences of shared bathrooms in wards.

On my wards the bathroom 'door' was a bit of foam that velcro-ed to the wall and never stuck, so you could have nurses/other workers just walk in on you. I've had patients steal things from my room due to door issues, having to sleep with one thin 'sheet' as a blanket when the rooms were so cold… and I see people online saying that they want to be admitted to these places?

 

[bunny_brownie9]

It's just over 1.5 years ago. The way she was treat was utterly and I mean utterly disgusting. At the time we kinda just brushed it under the carpet as we were so stressed with everything that was happening to her but now in hindsight I feel so so angry. As with all suicides they investigate the mental health team abd numerous failures were highlighted. To little to late tho huh. I mean she self harmed just before her section and then they never sectioned her again. If they had she might still be here. I mean maybe she wouldn't but we'll never know. When she was sectioned she was sent 400 miles away from home and was left to sit in her room most of the day, never even got any talking therapy. Purely vile system that fails people at every turn. God help anyone who needs the crisis team. Most of the staff are ill themselves and always off with depression and mental health issues. Speaks volumes, the Ill caring for the ill.....

you all deserved better and have every right to feel angry. I feel with inquests it's always 'we're sorry for your loss, here's how we failed X, and how we'll prevent it in future etc…'' and you hear about it again and again and again and nothing changes.

NHS services will never be where they need to be, and it really fucking sucks

 

[errorsinmypast]

yep I understand. When on 1:1 with a male in the ward & having to use the bathroom, you'd have to wait for ages for them to find a female, or they say 'do it with the door slightly open and a female in view'. One of my experiences of shared bathrooms in wards.

On my wards the bathroom 'door' was a bit of foam that velcro-ed to the wall and never stuck, so you could have nurses/other workers just walk in on you. I've had patients steal things from my room due to door issues, having to sleep with one thin 'sheet' as a blanket when the rooms were so cold… and I see people online saying that they want to be admitted to these places?

You'd be treated better in prison, breaks my heart to hear you went through this.

 

[bunny_brownie9]

You'd be treated better in prison, breaks my heart to hear you went through this.

sometimes I couldn't tell the difference. I still have nightmares about hospital and it's given me more trauma than it has helped me.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

yep I understand. When on 1:1 with a male in the ward & having to use the bathroom, you'd have to wait for ages for them to find a female, or they say 'do it with the door slightly open and a female in view'. One of my experiences of shared bathrooms in wards.

On my wards the bathroom 'door' was a bit of foam that velcro-ed to the wall and never stuck, so you could have nurses/other workers just walk in on you. I've had patients steal things from my room due to door issues, having to sleep with one thin 'sheet' as a blanket when the rooms were so cold… and I see people online saying that they want to be admitted to these places?

Genuinely baffling how you're supposed to get better in a place like that, where you're deprived of basic human dignity. All that for the crime of trying to end your suffering...

 

[bunny_brownie9]

Genuinely baffling how you're supposed to get better in a place like that, where you're deprived of basic human dignity. All that for the crime of trying to end your suffering...

literally I feel the exact same.

I often don't understand how putting so many mentally ill people (with all different problems) in a room together is helpful. I've witnessed psychotic people throw boiling water over others which scared those of us who weren't in there for that type of illness. People would become extremely violent and punch others and attack staff for seemingly insignificant things. The constant alarms. Waking up to people at night in your room was awful. In a shared dorm type ward you'd be kept up all night by people snoring. No quetpaine is going to help that lol.

There were 'good' moments and I did meet good friends, but the trauma and forever memories were not worth it one big. It's just a holding cell where they dose you up on meds to the point where they hope you are physically incapable of killing yourself.

I feel like I get really 'passionate' about this or whatever because people online (especially TikTok) things it's a 'grippy socks vacation' and want to be admitted. I don't get it lol

 

[errorsinmypast]

sometimes I couldn't tell the difference. I still have nightmares about hospital and it's given me more trauma than it has helped me.

I understand, you probably have PTSD now, it's so unfair and frightening. The very people who are meant to help and care for us make us more poorly. My sister was traumatised when she was allowed home, she actually wrote a letter to QCC, she couldn't believe the way they just left her alone when she was at her most vulnerable.

 

[bunny_brownie9]

I understand, you probably have PTSD now, it's so unfair and frightening. The very people who are meant to help and care for us make us more poorly. My sister was traumatised when she was allowed home, she actually wrote a letter to QCC, she couldn't believe the way they just left her alone when she was at her most vulnerable.

cptsd from a bunch of things but hospital didn't help.

I bet the trust said 'we accept the findings…' and nothing will be put in place/changed going forward. It's beyond disgusting how they can justify doing that to someone so vulnerable. How are you holding up?

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

literally I feel the exact same.

I often don't understand how putting so many mentally ill people (with all different problems) in a room together is helpful. I've witnessed psychotic people throw boiling water over others which scared those of us who weren't in there for that type of illness. People would become extremely violent and punch others and attack staff for seemingly insignificant things. The constant alarms. Waking up to people at night in your room was awful. In a shared dorm type ward you'd be kept up all night by people snoring. No quetpaine is going to help that lol.

There were 'good' moments and I did meet good friends, but the trauma and forever mementoes were not worth it one big. It's just a holding cell where they dose you up on meds to the point where they hope you are physically incapable of killing yourself.

I feel like I get really 'passionate' about this or whatever because people online (especially TikTok) things it's a 'grippy socks vacation' and want to be admitted. I don't get it lol

That's always mystified me too, like surely it should be clear to the staff how different these people's problems are and how they each require a different level/kind of treatment?

Don't get me started on sleep lol, shining a flashlight into your room every hour plus all the noise made falling asleep impossible. Then when I tried putting my blanket over my head to block out the light and finally managed to fall asleep that way, someone came in and woke me up because I "wasn't allowed to do that." When I complained about the sleeping conditions, they just offered me sleeping pills.

Describing it as a "holding cell" is apt. I'm planning on attempting again and if it fails I'll do everything in my power to avoid going back.

 

[errorsinmypast]

cptsd from a bunch of things but hospital didn't help.

I bet the trust said 'we accept the findings…' and nothing will be put in place/changed going forward. It's beyond disgusting how they can justify doing that to someone so vulnerable. How are you holding up?

That's exactly what they said, bastards! Nothing will change and people will continue to lose their lives because of their neglect.
Hey I'm sorry you're suffering so bad, are you getting any support?
I'm doing ok I guess, I try not to think about my sister too much as it really affects my mood and day, I don't blame her and I understand why she done it, I'm just sorry and miss her so so much it makes me sad to be planning my own ctb because the way it has traumatised the family is awful and if I were to do it too I don't know how they'd deal with it.

 

[bunny_brownie9]

That's exactly what they said, bastards! Nothing will change and people will continue to lose their lives because of their neglect.
Hey I'm sorry you're suffering so bad, are you getting any support?
I'm doing ok I guess, I try not to think about my sister too much as it really affects my mood and day, I don't blame her and I understand why she done it, I'm just sorry and miss her so so much it makes me sad to be planning my own ctb because the way it has traumatised the family is awful and if I were to do it too I don't know how they'd deal with it.

none of them care whatsoever. It's probably just so that they can say that they've done the paperwork, but it's literal people's lives they're gambling with. You have every right to be angry.

I have some support (if you'd class it as that), but no one I would be able to talk to fully about things like this. I just sort of deal with it myself. I've found that in the past whenever I've mentioned I'm suicidal or whatever, it's a huge deal and commotion and I get asked 200 questions and am asked to promise that i won't do this and that and whatever. I don't want to deal with that again. I have what I need and will be leaving. I have something extremely important coming up in the next few weeks, so mid/late June is my time. I don't want to 'mess' anything up for those around me (their important events) by ctb-ing yet.

does anyone in your life know how you feel/about the planning stuff? do you have any support? You can't help how you feel and what you want to do, but it definitely doesn't make it any easier. I hope you are able to come to a solution that is right for you. You deserve better :(

 

[errorsinmypast]

none of them care whatsoever. It's probably just so that they can say that they've done the paperwork, but it's literal people's lives they're gambling with. You have every right to be angry.

I have some support (if you'd class it as that), but no one I would be able to talk to fully about things like this. I just sort of deal with it myself. I've found that in the past whenever I've mentioned I'm suicidal or whatever, it's a huge deal and commotion and I get asked 200 questions and am asked to promise that i won't do this and that and whatever. I don't want to deal with that again. I have what I need and will be leaving. I have something extremely important coming up in the next few weeks, so mid/late June is my time. I don't want to 'mess' anything up for those around me (their important events) by ctb-ing yet.

does anyone in your life know how you feel/about the planning stuff? do you have any support? You can't help how you feel and what you want to do, but it definitely doesn't make it any easier. I hope you are able to come to a solution that is right for you. You deserve better :(

This is why I love this site, its a safe haven. We can talk openly and people won't make us feel bad for feeling how we feel they won't tell us we're irrational, or silly or ungrateful for all that we have. It's so special isn't it. I know what you mean about stuff/events coming up, it really does cause a sway in decision making, you sound like a very selfless person
Not a single person knows of my struggles, they'd never in a million years believe it, never. I can't speak to anyone cos I would literally unravel, and unravelling isn't an option at the moment, I need to sort stuff and I have children, it's heartbreaking.
Do you mind if I ask how you plan to ctb?

 

[viljalauss]

thank you all for replying. these psych ward/treatment stories are absolutely abhorrent, and i already knew it was bad. have also heard about psych ward abuse happening, but didn't connect that with the structure and the protocol of the place till now. errors, i don't even know what to say except your sister deserved so, so, so, so much better.