Try everything before you CTB

[Kundalini Guy]

Drugs, moving, travel, cutting off people, anything. CTB should be your last option. I personally found huge success trying certain substances to treat my condition and its working pretty well, lowered my pain and suicidal thoughts. I would suggest you do the same, try EVERYTHING this world has to offer before CTB'ing. Don't be afraid to try stuff because CTB is something you can not come back from while these stuff that I mentioned are always temporary.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I appreciate the sentiment of the message here but why would you even advise drugs to begin with, that's absolutely irresponsible and many of those other options require financial leverage to be able to pull off like moving or traveling especially in these economically challenging times. I don't know how EVERYTHING is to supposed to accessible since we don't have access to many things this world has to offer in equal parts. Just because it worked out for you, doesn't mean it will for everyone else but everyone can try everything they possibly can within their ability before considering ctb.

 

[Kundalini Guy]

I appreciate the sentiment of the message here but why would you even advise drugs to begin with, that's absolutely irresponsible and many of those other options require financial leverage to be able to pull off like moving or traveling especially in these economically challenging times. I don't know how EVERYTHING is to supposed to accessible since we don't have access to many things this world has to offer in equal parts. Just because it worked out for you, doesn't mean it will for everyone else.

I was thinking drugs like magic mushrooms, kratom or ketamine stuff that has been shown to treat suicidal thoughts. I know it's not good advice but suicide is really worse than trying stuff like this.

 

[@siniy_cat]

Not being able to reverse a suicide could be an argument for it though. At least you are not going it to regret it, while if you are taking drugs you might fuck your brain even more, so you are at an even worse state after that, but might have lost the willpower to CTB by then.
In most cases I would agree with you though, because for most people, even if they have suicidal ideation it never becomes concrete enough to actually commit to it. So their options realistically speaking don't even include suicide.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I know it's not good advice but suicide is really worse than trying stuff like this.

You recognize it's not good advice but still see it as a viable alternative to ctb, like I said, I understand your sentiment but it isn't feasible for most people otherwise we would've all done it by now.

 

[tiger b]

I get the spirit of what you are saying - you tried Kundalini, for instance (would like to talk to you about that one day) and I self-hypnotised myself to infinity and back - and I will try a few more things yet. But some people view it differently than others, and they view everything but one as temporary. And some people are in too much pain to seek many methods, which might prolong the torture in their lives.

Moving and starting again is something I've done, for instance, and I'm surprised more people don't consider that. But that surprise is just based on my own lack of understanding of others.

 

[Photographer Fizzle]

Drugs, moving, travel, cutting off people, anything. CTB should be your last option. I personally found huge success trying certain substances to treat my condition and its working pretty well, lowered my pain and suicidal thoughts. I would suggest you do the same, try EVERYTHING this world has to offer before CTB'ing. Don't be afraid to try stuff because CTB is something you can not come back from while these stuff that I mentioned are always temporary.

Those are decent suggestions, but they would not work for everyone.
I would move tomorrow.
Hell, I would move yesterday if I had the means. For so many of us, suicide is financially motivated.
A psych nursee asked me two weeks ago whether I was likely to commit suicide. I told him I probably woulxn't because "My last thought would likely be of regret." I know how I think -- or "overthink." That's almost unavoidable.
But for me, I just need to finally make peace with having made a lot of poor decisions in the past and accepting suicide would be the best possible decision of my life.
I know I'd rather live, but I'm no heir to anything (not even affection) and I can't keep hoping to win the lottery. Some of us are just beyond help.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

suicide is financially motivated.

This is it right here, it's may not necessarily be a primary reason but it's definitely a factor that causes a lot more problems.

 

[kunikuzushi]

I was thinking drugs like magic mushrooms, kratom or ketamine stuff that has been shown to treat suicidal thoughts. I know it's not good advice but suicide is really worse than trying stuff like this.

How is suicide worse than living and using drugs to cope with this hellish life?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

For so many of us, suicide is financially motivated.

I agree with that bc it's my major reason to consider suicide.

OP, drugs as well as prescribed meds may help in some cases and not in others that's trial and error but imo if someone is deeply depressed or suffers from MH issues drugs can make it really much worse than it already is.

But yeah I get your point here, live your life as long as it is possible and when you have the means to do so. life can be fucked up so easily and from this point of view I'm so glad that I really lived my life for most of the time. Imo this makes it "easier" to consider suicide but it's still not that easy ...

 

[FuneralCry]

Sorry but other people's personal decisions are nothing to do with you. Just because you see death as the worst thing ever doesn't mean this view applies to everyone else. And anyway people come to the suicide discussion section to escape from this kind of pro-life preaching, it's not your place to tell other people what they should do as they simply aren't you.

 

[hermestrimegistus]

I get what you're saying but mushrooms are not for everyone. I loved them. But for other people it potentially opens a door to an even more miserable existence because it can trigger certain predisposed mental issues. Also, it's not like you can just try anything you want because you want to. Like someone else pointed out, there's a lack of finances that could get in the way. For me it's more of a physical and mental roadblock. I'd love to try a few things but I am not able to. Even if I want to. But the idea is sound. Like if you're going to CTB anyway you probably should take a chance and go after things because there's nothing to lose

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think- sure- if you still have any motivation towards living- it's worth a shot. I guess I'm curious though- did you ever feel like you had completely lost hope or the desire for a better life? I'd say some people here aren't even interested in their best case scenario anymore. Maybe it is because of depression- that could perhaps lift if they tried different things. But still- they probably need some hope and desire for life to put in the effort to try those things.

I'm not advocating for suicide for anyone. I think it's an intensely personal decision. Still- in terms of just the physicality of it, (maybe this hinges on whether you believe in an afterlife but) I do find this line of thought curious. Do you think it's possible to regret your suicide once you are dead? Do you think whatever we become minus our bodies will be looking back thinking- damn- I wish I'd tried LSD?

I just find this line of thought perplexing because it relies on living and chance really. Maybe all that stuff or some of it might help people here. And I'd say- definitely- if people aren't sure- why not try and improve their situations and see what happens? I guess it's more the people who don't want to do all this stuff. That insistance that they still must when actually- it's a personal decision. Personally, I also think you need to be open to the idea of recovery/ therapy for it to really be effective. I'm not sure it's something you can fake. Maybe drugs are different but personally, I don't like the idea of drugs. That's just me though- I don't mind what other people choose to do.

 

[Painfu.Ll.suffering]

How is suicide worse than living and using drugs to cope with this hellish life?

I guess that is THE question to see where on the pro-life&nihilistic spectra a person is

 

[Abyssal]

If I can't afford therapy how do you expect me to do drugs and travel?

 

[_Alfarooq_]

Drugs, moving, travel, cutting off people, anything. CTB should be your last option. I personally found huge success trying certain substances to treat my condition and its working pretty well, lowered my pain and suicidal thoughts. I would suggest you do the same, try EVERYTHING this world has to offer before CTB'ing. Don't be afraid to try stuff because CTB is something you can not come back from while these stuff that I mentioned are always temporary.

I plan to go to Istanbul as my dying wish before I CTB

 

[tidal1]

I agree with OP, but like others have said, some folks just do not have access/ financial means to what is mentioned above. I'm personally of the opinion people should be at least 25 and should have tried everything in their means before they decide to CTB, but again, the decision is super personal and dependent on so many other extraneous factors. I wish everyone well no matter what direction they decide to head in.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

I was thinking drugs like magic mushrooms, kratom or ketamine stuff that has been shown to treat suicidal thoughts. I know it's not good advice but suicide is really worse than trying stuff like this.

I did six sessions of ketamine. They up the dose with each successive session. The last one had me feeling like I was permanently trapped in room-sized box in another dimension forever. Didn't do anything to cure my suicidiality and set me back $2400, but It was a crazy experience.

 

[Specific_Milk]

Drugs, moving, travel, cutting off people, anything. CTB should be your last option. I personally found huge success trying certain substances to treat my condition and its working pretty well, lowered my pain and suicidal thoughts. I would suggest you do the same, try EVERYTHING this world has to offer before CTB'ing. Don't be afraid to try stuff because CTB is something you can not come back from while these stuff that I mentioned are always temporary.

what if you don't want to try? what if you don't give a shit? some people commit suicide because they are done trying. Because life is meaningless and all of this effort is futile. No one asked to go through this shit. None of it is worth it. Everyone has the right to die and when they choose to exercise it, there should be no judgement passed onto them. Suicide is rational in it of itself. There's no need to justify it any further, the cruelty of life already justifies it.

 

[UtopianSoliloquies]

It is not possible to try everything--what even is that? If it was a prerequisite to try EVERYTHING before CTB, then no one could ever kill themselves because it is always possible to do more. Rather than any novel statement about what ought to be considered before going through with suicide, this post betrays a general and dubious sense that people ought to try other things to remedy their problems before seeing CTB as the solution. It's great that substances helped improve your situation but there is little for us to actually take away from that in terms of a lesson.

Frequently the pro-life conception of suicide involves two contradictory components. They understand logically that suicide is a solution to one's problems, yet instinctually understand suicide and suicidal ideation as a problem itself in need of a solution. While it does seem more common in my experience that people view their own suicidality as an antagonizing force rather than exclusively an option to solve their problems, such is not always the case. Especially on a site like SS where most members thoroughly plan their suicides and discourage purely impulsive CTB, suicide should be understood as a solution not inherently inferior or less desirable than any other. People who want help generally seek help insofar as they are able. People who don't, don't. Where you see the permanence of death as a negative and therefore see death as a last resort, others may see it as a positive and as the best solution, and it is not your place to tell them otherwise.