Trump: There will only be two genders, male and female.

[SoulWhisperer]

I'm not American but this whole situation from start has been worrying me...

 

[EvisceratedJester]

If the left is allowed to say this then we are allowed to say the Haitian migrants are saying pets in Ohio

Yeah, because spreading racist hoaxes is the same as making jokes about some idiotic politician./s

I'm gonna say, I maybe can agree with the "2 genders" thing. That's why nonbinary and gender non conforming people are called that.

No, non-binary people are called non-binary because they fall somewhere along the middle of the gender spectrum. Their existence literally implies that there has to be more than 2 genders. There have been, and probably still are, other cultures out there that have more than two gender categories and/or have much more complex ideas revolving around gender. Gender is a social construct. How we choose to categorize it is not something based on objectives. Hell, most things in life don't even exist in binaries. If sex isn't even a binary (sex is considered to be bimodal), then why is gender objectively a binary?

 

[senti-mental]

Science was always ideology soaked, Giordano Bruno was one of the victims.

science itself is a system to remove idelogy and bias from facts and data. It's definitely had a lot of it in the past and still has it, but the process is designed to remove that and it works and science get less contaminated with ideology every day which is why the right is increasingly opposed to it.

I'm not American but I'm so scared as well. I'm so sorry you guys have to go through that, it's awful. I'm gonna say, I maybe can agree with the "2 genders" thing. That's why nonbinary and gender non conforming people are called that. And transgender. But to say those people don't exist is just evil. They already go through enough stigma.

And a quick question, will he forbid hormone therapy for trans people? Because saying that there's 2 genders is one thing, but no fucking way he can actually forbid hormone therapy.

I stand with all Americans that need to be in this. It's awful, and I will pray that this will change

the difference between sex and gender identity is what people are pointing out in regard to the more than 2 genders thing. nobody debates there's typically 2 biological sexes, with differences in sexual development when in comes to people with intersex conditions, but people who identify as NB just identify that way, let em. psychologically it checks out, and psychology is a separate field from physiology, not that these "2 genders" dingleberries have experience or a degree in either.

 

[AuroraB]

Based Trump
Because there ARE objectively only 2 genders.

His speech/announcement said "two genders" (using gender as a polite synonym for "sex") but the actual bill says "two sexes, male and female."
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I'm in my 60s so didn't grow up w/gender ideology.

Trump is using sex/gender as synonyms (clearly a mistake) but the bill says male/female, 2 SEXES.
You can read it yourself here:

Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism And Restoring Biological Truth To The Federal Government – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 7301 of title 5, United

www.whitehouse.gov

The reason this happened: females around the world (USA, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, Germany, etc) are exhausted and defeated losing athletic competitions and scholarships/awards to male-bodied people and females are absolutely being raped (and sometimes impregnated) in prison by convicted sex offenders who (upon conviction) change their identity and pronouns to enter female prisons. A recent case is Tremaine Carroll and you can google it and so many others. For more info on convicted males in female prisons, you can start here.

Women's Prisons — Women's Liberation Front

Resources, relevant news, and litigation on keeping prisons single-sex for the safety of women

womensliberationfront.org

Trump WON in part because of gender ideology being taught in schools, because of meds and surgeries for minors. The American public wanted kids to be left alone and the Dems were pushing gender transition for kids including on TikTok. The current executive order says nothing about gender medicine for children...yet. Conservative American voters have seen all the TikTok videos with obvious biological males threatening extreme violence against females in bathrooms, etc. while claiming to be trans. There are countless examples of this (males behaving badly) and females and their male allies just said FK NO.

Ironic since so many R's in gov't are sexual predators themselves, grrrr, the Republican agenda here is to actually protect females from predatory males who have been allowed to SELF-ID into what were always same sex safe spaces for females only. There are literally male rapists murderers and child-rapist murderers who upon conviction and sentencing to prison declare themselves to have a woman identity and many states allow them the freedom to be celled with females. NO BABY should be born of rape, let alone in prison. It's just a fact here. This does happen.

Another reason is to stop the FEDERAL government from paying for gender care for prisoners and soldiers. This is one of their strategies to save $$$ and bring down the trillion dollar debt. It's just one of a million things they will "cut" from the budget to bring down the deficit or re-direct to the military---which is the original purpose of the government---to make law and to protect the country. The R's think the government has over-reached its role and TrumpCo,INC billionaires don't give a rat's ass about poor people, elderly, disabled, TQ+, etc.

Access to opposite sex spaces and gender affirming care will be left up to the states.
These new Trump laws only affect the federal level ...for now.
There will be countless court cases brought by the ACLU, Human Rights Campaign, etc. so this will all be tied up in the courts for a very, VERY long time- probably even 4 years until he's gone.

Younger Americans didn't vote much this election in protest against Biden/Harris and their support of Israel. This is a direct consequence of that lack-of-voting. If you live in a swing state and didn't vote, next time, vote "blue no matter who" even if it sucks. Now we're stuck with 4 years of the Orange psychopath.

Remember, in 2026, America will be so sick of Trump cutting social programs, his own voters will be impoverished...then we can flip the house and senate and try to stop him from destroying what's left of the country. But **YOU** have to be registered and you have to vote BLUE no matter who.

In 4 years, we will vote again for president. It will be religious JDVance, another religious Republican or it will be a centrist Democrat who may or may not be religious.

Before anyone here tries to argue that females ARE safe w/ transwomen in prison, do your homework.
Most of the transwomen in prisons are CIS-male violent offenders who are LARPing specifically to have access to vulnerable women.

Voting Blue No Matter Who is the only way to stop the Christofascist agenda.

dawg if i cant get on testosterone bc of this shit im actually gonna jump i cannot live under these conditions. like i am male but if he thinks he can legislate people into nonexistence he's even dumber than i gave him credit for. "party of small govermnent" my ASS

The executive order says NOTHING about medical care. That will be up to the states (so far). Stock up though.

BIG PICTURE is you have to get politically active. Being worried about it on social media achieves NOTHING. Put your city, county, state and US Senators phone numbers and email into your contacts and use them FREQUENTLY. Doing nothing but sharing your concerns online means TQ+ continue to lose **FEDERAL** rights. Your STATE *can* protect you if you **WORK FOR IT.**

 

[EvisceratedJester]

The reason this happened: females around the world (USA, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, Germany, etc) are exhausted and defeated losing athletic competitions and scholarships/awards to male-bodied people and females are absolutely being raped (and sometimes impregnated) in prison by convicted sex offenders who (upon conviction) change their identity and pronouns to enter female prisons. A recent case is Tremaine Carroll and you can google it and so many others. For more info on convicted males in female prisons, you can start here.

Women's Prisons — Women's Liberation Front

Resources, relevant news, and litigation on keeping prisons single-sex for the safety of women

womensliberationfront.org

The Women's Liberation Front (WoLF) is an American self-described radical feminist advocacy organization that opposes transgender rights and related legislation.

In 2016, WoLF received a $15,000 donation from the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), a conservative Christian organization that opposes abortion and LGBT rights.[21]​
In May 2017, WoLF partnered with the Hands Across the Aisle Coalition, Concerned Parents and Educators, and the Family Policy Alliance to submit a petition for rule-making to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, "to protect the safety and privacy of women in need of shelter due to homelessness or violence".[22]​
In 2019, three members of WoLF appeared on a panel with conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation. The panel focused on the Equality Act, legislation pending in Congress that would ban discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.[1] ​Progressives criticized WoLF's participation in the panel, which included Jennifer Chavez reading "from a letter that described increased transgender visibility and acceptance as 'a social contagion all over the internet'".[1]​[2]​

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_Liberation_Front

A lot of the trans shit you see online is nearly always bullshit written by transphobes. WoLF is not a trustworthy source.

 

[AuroraB]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_Liberation_Front

a lot of the trans shit you see online is nearly always bullshit written by transphobes.

Call it what you want, protecting females or transphobia. Doesn't matter what you call it, the Republicans won, Trump is in charge of the federal gov't now and he's squashing males in federal prisons w/females.
Work with your own state for your preferred outcome for state prisons. Opinions online don't matter. Only contacting your elected representatives will fix things.

Here's another source. Doesn't matter if you call it transphobic or pro-female, it's happening whether we like it or not. Like I said, all this will be tied up in the courts for years. Support your local TQ+ groups working to sue the federal gov't.

Keep Prisons Single Sex USA | Keep Prisons Single Sex USA

dawg if i cant get on testosterone bc of this shit im actually gonna jump i cannot live under these conditions. like i am male but if he thinks he can legislate people into nonexistence he's even dumber than i gave him credit for. "party of small govermnent" my ASS

The executive order says NOTHING about medical care. That will be up to the states (so far). Stock up though.

I'm not American but I'm so scared as well. I'm so sorry you guys have to go through that, it's awful. I'm gonna say, I maybe can agree with the "2 genders" thing. That's why nonbinary and gender non conforming people are called that. And transgender. But to say those people don't exist is just evil. They already go through enough stigma.

And a quick question, will he forbid hormone therapy for trans people? Because saying that there's 2 genders is one thing, but no fucking way he can actually forbid hormone therapy.

I stand with all Americans that need to be in this. It's awful, and I will pray that this will change

"Will he forbid hormone therapy for trans people?" That is NOT in the executive order. I posted a link to it already but here it is again:

Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism And Restoring Biological Truth To The Federal Government – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 7301 of title 5, United

www.whitehouse.gov

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_Liberation_Front

A lot of the trans shit you see online is nearly always bullshit written by transphobes. WoLF is not a trustworthy source.

WoLF is a legally influencial organization, respected by the Rethuglicans and the conservative courts whether we like it or not. Your opinion that they are transphobic does not in any way diminish their effort or their "wins." The only thing activists can do now is fund TQ+ Rights groups with $, volunteer energy and political action (calling and writing to your government reps). Anything else is just shitposting. And y'all.... if you live in a swing state and didn't vote for Kamala Harris, look in the mirror. If you're not ACTIVELY working with TQ+ groups, your opinion makes no difference. Only ACTION will make a difference now. You can post about transphobia on Reddit, TikTok, Sa-Su, Facebook, Insta, etc...etc...all day long 24/7 and it doesn't do shit. Only funding, supporting, volunteering and getting active with groups and political campaigns who are defending your rights will produce the outcomes you seek.

 

[Whale_bones]

A lot of the trans shit you see online is nearly always bullshit written by transphobes. WoLF is not a trustworthy source.

This. Every major medical organization, every peer-reviewed scientific publication, every group of experts who've spent decades studying and researching in their field understand the presence of transgender people as a normal variant of human existence.

There's a reason why the ones claiming otherwise only put their claims in fringe publications, why they never complete research that's peer-reviewed and done at the level of all other subjects we study scientifically. If you don't accept this, you are refusing to accept science, and that's your right to do, just don't argue that it's something else.

The vast majority of experts who are more knowledgeable than laypeople ever have the time to be agree on this, and just as we don't assume to know more about physics, chemistry, geography or any other scientific subject than an expert in the field, it is nonsensical to assume to know more in this one subject.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Call it what you want, protecting females or transphobia. Doesn't matter what you call it, the Republicans won, Trump is in charge of the federal gov't now and he's squashing males in federal prisons w/females.
Work with your own state for your preferred outsome for state prisons.
Here's another source. Doesn't matter if you call it transphobic or pro-female, it's happening whether we like it or not. Like I said, all this will be tied up in the courts for years. Support your local TQ+ groups working to sue the federal gov't.
Keep Prisons Single Sex USA | Keep Prisons Single Sex USA

Dude, transpeople aren't the ones I'm scared of as a cis-woman. Don't go on here spreading your transphobic bullshit and trying to get people to read bullshit from a site run by TERFs. Trans women aren't even the real issue when it comes to safety in women's prisons. It's the guards who make up the majority of rapists in women's prisons. In general, trans individuals are actually at a higher risk of being SAed compared to cis women and trans individuals in male prisons are significantly more likely to be SAed.

 

[Whale_bones]

I don't think this topic should be debated on a suicide forum where a lot of trans people are on edge.

Agreed, trans people should be able to express their fears about their basic rights being removed, to talk with people going through the same thing and simply express their thoughts and feelings as people on this site do about all sorts of subjects. But it's almost impossible to do that anywhere on the internet without people jumping in to debate trans peoples' mere existence.

 

[AuroraB]

Dude, transpeople aren't the ones I'm scared of as a cis-woman. Don't go on here spreading your transphobic bullshit and trying to get people to read bullshit from a site run by TERFs. Trans women aren't even the real issue when it comes to safety in women's prisons. It's the guards who make up the majority of rapists in women's prisons. In general, trans individuals are actually at a higher risk of being SAed compared to cis women and trans individuals in male prisons are significantly more likely to be SAed.

Dude, you're so right about male guards in female prisons. Maybe the R solution will be that only female guards can work in female prisons?? How do we get males to stop raping? My post is an explanation of how this Trump crisis happened. Republicans and the Republican courts have listened to and are listening to the TERFs. So now, what are you/we going to DO about it? That's the point. This could all be repaired after the 2026 election or by the 2028 inauguration or it could get way, way worse. Frequent/constant political action and funding social justice groups is the only way forward.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Dude, you're so right about male guards in female prisons. Maybe the R solution will be that only female guards can work in female prisons?? How do we get males to stop raping? My post is an explanation of how this Trump crisis happened. Republicans and the Republican courts have listened to and are listening to the TERFs. So now, what are you/we going to DO about it? That's the point. This could all be repaired after the 2026 election or by the 2028 inauguration or it could get way, way worse. Frequent/constant political action and funding social justice groups is the only way forward.

I'm not American so there is literally nothing I can do about this.

 

[AuroraB]

I'm not American so there is literally nothing I can do about this.

Then you do the **WORK** in your own country to make sure LGBTQ+ people and all marginalized peoples (immigrants, disabled, elderly, indigenous, poor, etc) are PROTECTED. And you can send $ to organizations in the USA that will be in court fighting Trump executive orders. Another thing everyone can do is to advocate for your own country (if it's a safe place for LGBTQ+ folks) to offer asylum/residency/citizenship to anyone who feels they need to leave the USA.

 

[WatchmeBurn]

Sick of this transphobic shit constantly shoved in our faces by politicians and the media. I'm not trans but I support trans people + trans rights. "Nothing human is alien to me."

In the UK even our "centre-left" party is led by transphobic pricks who've used a scientifically invalid report (Cass Report, rubbished by every other health agency around the world) to justify policies that go beyond even its poorly researched recommendations (banning puberty blockers for under 18s). Wes Streeting is a vile bastard.

 

[Dai]

Agreed, trans people should be able to express their fears about their basic rights being removed, to talk with people going through the same thing and simply express their thoughts and feelings as people on this site do about all sorts of subjects. But it's almost impossible to do that anywhere on the internet without people jumping in to debate trans peoples' mere existence.

Agreed.

The only problem I have is people like this playing female sports, and sharing washrooms/changerooms with my sister. I think most of us agree with that tho.

 

[AuroraB]

Agreed.

The only problem I have is people like this playing female sports, and sharing washrooms/changerooms with my sister. I think most of us agree with that tho.

This person on the team is exactly why Trump won (plus, of course, anti-immigration/border security issues and putting America first in terms of spending our government $ here at home, Ukraine is one example of R voters wanting to stop funding for Ukraine). Republican voters said no and enough Democrats didn't vote to stop the R win. Only swing state voters could have stopped Trump and many swing state Dems didn't vote. Apathy in voting gave the nation to the Republicans. We are so fkd. The TERFs won. So now, OUR WIN has to happen in the 2026 mid-terms and 2028 election. If we don't fight, we have no chance.

 

[Hotsackage]

I think politicians should stfu when it comes to mental illness, and identity issues.

 

[Dai]

This person on the team is exactly why Trump won (plus, of course, anti-immigration/border security issues and putting America first in terms of spending our government $ here at home, Ukraine is one example of R voters wanting to stop funding for Ukraine). Republican voters said no and enough Democrats didn't vote to stop the R win. Only swing state voters could have stopped Trump and many swing state Dems didn't vote. Apathy in voting gave the nation to the Republicans. We are so fkd. The TERFs won. So now, OUR WIN has to happen in the 2026 mid-terms and 2028 election. If we don't fight, we have no chance.

I'm French so have no idea about american politics, but I do wonder if the trans community would still get so much hate if politicians didn't go overboard allowing ridiculous shit like what's in the pic above

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Then you do the **WORK** in your own country to make sure LGBTQ+ people and all marginalized peoples (immigrants, disabled, elderly, indigenous, poor, etc) are PROTECTED. And you can send $ to organizations in the USA that will be in court fighting Trump executive orders. Another thing everyone can do is to advocate for your own country (if it's a safe place for LGBTQ+ folks) to offer asylum/residency/citizenship to anyone who feels they need to leave the USA.

My country already has LGBTQ+ people as a protected group. I'm also low income and barely got anything grants or loans for this semester. All of them went to paying off my tuition (which it didn't even completely cover). I don't know why you are pretending to be some big advocate all of a sudden after posting links to TERF websites and referring to trans women as "males"

he's squashing males in federal prisons w/females.

 

[yxmux]

Based Trump
Because there ARE objectively only 2 genders.

Not objective. It is subjective consensus, though it is true that we generally identify two genders corresponding to the two modes of the distribution of sexual characteristics.

I don't mean to offend anyone, and I'm informing you that I'm no student of medicine yet nor am I familiar with any sort of science in depth. This is merely an opinion that comes from my common sense: there is a male and a female. Each one of them has a certain role in the animal kingdom just like in our society. If an individual has a mind of a certain gender but lives in the body of the opposite sex, that isn't a 'gender identity', that's a dysfunction. I do NOT like the term gender identity because from the nature's point of view it makes NO sense. I don't know why it was normalized in the west, know that I don't judge anyone who has a gender crisis. I view you as someone who needs a professional help. Because transitioning will not change anything. You may look like someone who you think your 'gender identity' is but when you grow older you will look just like a regular old man/woman cosplaying. As I said, you people need PROFESSIONAL HELP from psychologists/psychiatrists, not surgeries that aim to achieve impossible results. I don't judge any one of you, I just feel very bad for you... Just to let you know, I don't side with Trump in any way because he's just a puppet of people's common ideas which are mostly dumb and ignorant.

I am reluctant to give a fully fleshed-out counterargument here, but I will give you something to consider. We are animals, but we are very intelligent and cerebral animals. Part of the evolution of humans is that of our elaborate systems making. This is part of our "nature" and so is our ability to apply these systems, even if they seem to contradict earlier and less elaborate systems. This includes our understanding of gender and how it is culturally adapted to sex. The male and female binary paradigm here is a primitive adaptation of gender.

 

[Whale_bones]

Agreed.

The only problem I have is people like this playing female sports, and sharing washrooms/changerooms with my sister. I think most of us agree with that tho.

I don't know nor care who that random picture is of, literally no one is debating "female sports" here, this is a site for suicidal people.

When trans people talk about being treated with the most basic level of respect, even on a site for suicidal people, and can't have conversations without people insisting to debate their existence and topics they clearly don't give a shit about like "female sports"- you're not fooling anyone.

Not to mention, laughing at EvisceratedJester's post (the one I had just quoted and responded to) makes it pretty clear. It just doubles down on the grossness to pretend you "agree" with respecting people while simultaneously trying to divert the conversation away from doing that.

 

[deadstillwalking]

Not objective. It is subjective consensus, though it is true that we generally identify two genders corresponding to the two modes of the distribution of sexual characteristics.

I am reluctant to give a fully fleshed-out counterargument here, but I will give you something to consider. We are animals, but we are very intelligent and cerebral animals. Part of the evolution of humans is that of our elaborate systems making. This is part of our "nature" and so is our ability to apply these systems, even if they seem to contradict earlier and less elaborate systems. This includes our understanding of gender and how it is culturally adapted to sex. The male and female binary paradigm here is a primitive adaptation of gender.

Jesus Christ, I'm a 19 years old Eastern European, could you possibly explain it in a manner that wouldn't cause us any misunderstanding due to the language barrier? Thanks beforehand, lol

 

[AuroraB]

Agreed.

The only problem I have is people like this playing female sports, and sharing washrooms/changerooms with my sister. I think most of us agree with that tho.

sorry but someone might call you transphobic for your astute political analysis.

 

[Dai]

laughing at EvisceratedJester's post (the one I had just quoted and responded to) makes it pretty clear. It just doubles down on the grossness to pretend you "agree" with respecting people while simultaneously trying to divert the conversation away from doing that.

The poster brought up convicted males in female prisons sexually assaulting female inmates (it's a fact and happens), then the response was seemingly trying to dismiss this fact by discrediting the source by providing a wiki page no less.

It was funny.

 

[Adûnâi]

Why is this shit in general and not in politics? How is this relevant at all?

Yes, I'm calling it "shit" because I'm trying to use the language of the left against them. Shit yuck meanie.

Biden is evil, brought my country to ruin, genocides the Ukrainians, Trump might actually make the Western Empire a tad more sensible.

 

[ham and potatoes]

Man, I'm glad he's tackling the big issues right off the bat.
Him just clarifying there are only 2 genders is already helping me overcome this crushing inflation

 

[cyclicism]

I don't mean to offend anyone, and I'm informing you that I'm no student of medicine yet nor am I familiar with any sort of science in depth. This is merely an opinion that comes from my common sense: there is a male and a female. Each one of them has a certain role in the animal kingdom just like in our society. If an individual has a mind of a certain gender but lives in the body of the opposite sex, that isn't a 'gender identity', that's a dysfunction. I do NOT like the term gender identity because from the nature's point of view it makes NO sense. I don't know why it was normalized in the west, know that I don't judge anyone who has a gender crisis. I view you as someone who needs a professional help. Because transitioning will not change anything. You may look like someone who you think your 'gender identity' is but when you grow older you will look just like a regular old man/woman cosplaying. As I said, you people need PROFESSIONAL HELP from psychologists/psychiatrists, not surgeries that aim to achieve impossible results.

"Common sense" is somewhat a false concept that relies on a populous being educated on a certain topic (to various degrees). This goes to say, you openly stating that you are no student of medicine, nor science, before trying to school others on a concept based in those fields is funny, to say the least.

Trans-ness being labeled as a mental disorder is one of the steps that was taken towards it being treatable. Now, the best treatment for it (whether or not you want to consider it a mental dysfunction) is gender-affirming care. Do you know what gender-affirming care does? Significantly reduce general distress and suicides in trans individuals. Transitioning very much changes things. You do not get to dictate otherwise just because it does not make sense to you. The professional help IS the surgeries (not for all trans people, mind you. everybody's experience is one on a spectrum), and it quite literally has one of (if not THE) lowest regret rates of ANY surgery.

You're on a forum for suicide, populated nearly exclusively by suicidal individuals. Come on, isn't the whole point to listen to other peoples' woes and bond over shared struggles? Gender dysphoria/transphobia are reasons some people feel suicidal. The specific reasons are surely different, but isn't that something you can relate to? I implore you to hear out other people's experiences rather than contributing to the general social backlash that contributes to queer people's struggles.

Sorry if I came across as hostile; I just really like formulating pro-trans arguments (it's me compensating for whenever I hear transphobia/'trans debates' irl and clam up)

(PS: the 'animal kingdom' or, as I would call it, biology, is a very complicated subject. That's why it's so interesting! I learned of biological concepts that challenged the social gender binary in grade school, and I've only learned more since then!)

 

[KlMeNw]

Based Trump
Because there ARE objectively only 2 genders.

Don't let anyone here (on this supposed free speech platform) intimidate you. You should have the right to express your view without being attacked by the mob.

"Common sense" is somewhat a false concept that relies on a populous being educated on a certain topic (to various degrees). This goes to say, you openly stating that you are no student of medicine, nor science, before trying to school others on a concept based in those fields is funny, to say the least.

Trans-ness being labeled as a mental disorder is one of the steps that was taken towards it being treatable. Now, the best treatment for it (whether or not you want to consider it a mental dysfunction) is gender-affirming care. Do you know what gender-affirming care does? Significantly reduce general distress and suicides in trans individuals. Transitioning very much changes things. You do not get to dictate otherwise just because it does not make sense to you. The professional help IS the surgeries (not for all trans people, mind you. everybody's experience is one on a spectrum), and it quite literally has one of (if not THE) lowest regret rates of ANY surgery.

You're on a forum for suicide, populated nearly exclusively by suicidal individuals. Come on, isn't the whole point to listen to other peoples' woes and bond over shared struggles? Gender dysphoria/transphobia are reasons some people feel suicidal. The specific reasons are surely different, but isn't that something you can relate to? I implore you to hear out other people's experiences rather than contributing to the general social backlash that contributes to queer people's struggles.

Sorry if I came across as hostile; I just really like formulating pro-trans arguments (it's me compensating for whenever I hear transphobia/'trans debates' irl and clam up)

(PS: the 'animal kingdom' or, as I would call it, biology, is a very complicated subject. That's why it's so interesting! I learned of biological concepts that challenged the social gender binary in grade school, and I've only learned more since then!)

Wrong, there are two Genders/Sexes, period. Male/Female. Nature is a binary, at least human nature. Any aberration from this binary, such as hermaphrodation, is just that, an aberration. You would not categorize human beings who are born with two heads on one body as another kind of human. They are simply a genetically defective human being. As far as people who think or want to be "trans," this is not possible, one can never change genders, or was or will be anything other than the sex they were born as. What one can be is a person who is born male and be effeminate, this just makes him an effeminate male (which is ok btw), but still in no way a female. Just as a person born a girl who is more masculine than other girls is just a masculine woman (which is also OK) but still in no way a male. The focus should be teaching these people to accept themselves for who they are, and through therapy help them understand that having a more masculine or feminine disposition than others of your gender is ok, and that cutting body parts off yourself or forcing the entire world to validate your delusion are not viable solutions.
Wrong, there are two Genders/Sexes, period. Male/Female. Nature is a binary, at least human nature. Any aberration from this binary, such as hermaphrodation, is just that, an aberration. You would not categorize human beings who are born with two heads on one body as another kind of human. They are simply a genetically defective human being. As far as people who think or want to be "trans," this is not possible, one can never change genders, or was or will be anything other than the sex they were born as. What one can be is a person who is born male and be effeminate, this just makes him an effeminate male (which is ok btw), but still in no way a female. Just as a person born a girl who is more masculine than other girls is just a masculine woman (which is also OK) but still in no way a male. The focus should be teaching these people to accept themselves for who they are, and through therapy help them understand that having a more masculine or feminine disposition than others of your gender is ok, and that cutting body parts off yourself or forcing the entire world to validate your delusion are not viable solutions.

Trump better not let any of his Jesus freaks see him naked.... He will look like both fused together.

It's such hypocritic BS that "inclusive" people like you would jump down someone's throat for saying something like "Trans woman are men," but then you call someone "freak" just because they believe in Jesus? How tolerant of you.

Yeah, right... except that you are wrong. Why do you assume that?

He doesn't need to assume anything, he is simply following science, empirical evidence, and common sense. What are you basing your assertion on, your feelings?

 

[untothedepths]

Why is this shit in general and not in politics? How is this relevant at all?

Yes, I'm calling it "shit" because I'm trying to use the language of the left against them. Shit yuck meanie.

Biden is evil, brought my country to ruin, genocides the Ukrainians, Trump might actually make the Western Empire a tad more sensible.

are you american because this is untrue. trump is probably worse than biden will be, especially on the whole 'genocides ukrainians' part. trump seeks to 'end the war' in the ukraine, as in, hand it over to putin. then putin can kill and subjugate the people as he seeks fit. erasure of a people. also just going to greenlight blowing the rest of gaza away, and in addition to potentially starting shit else where.

 

[Whale_bones]

They are simply a genetically defective human being.

Does this situation affect you at all? And I don't mean arguments on the internet that you voluntarily choose to take part in, I mean if you just went on with your life tomorrow, does the existence of trans people risk your healthcare, your job, your housing?

That's the reality that trans people live with, it's not some theoretical discussion that they can choose to talk about for fun or not. Even if a trans person never talks about their identity, the basics of life are constantly at risk for them, obstacles to things like fair employment are a perpetual reality for them.

Trans people can't choose to not be discriminated against, going through everyday life there will inevitably be struggles for them that you never have to even consider, the least you can do is have some basic human decency and not go on a suicide forum calling them "genetically defective".

He doesn't need to assume anything, he is simply following science, empirical evidence, and common sense. What are you basing your assertion on, your feelings?

The World Medical Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the Endocrine Society, every major medical organization, every peer-reviewed scientific publication, every group of experts who've spent decades studying and researching in their field who understand the presence of transgender people as a normal variant of human existence.

 

[render]

im not @ 'ing the person in the thread im addressing nor am i further addressing anything in this thread but if you tell trans people to "seek professional help" i'd like you to know that ALL of the academics and psychologists and medical doctors i've sought the help of encouraged me to get testosterone, dick AND balls. because the best way for people to not want to kill themselves is to let them be happy. you think i'd be on here if i could live without being scared? if i had all the money and support in the world to get surgery?

dont concern troll at us when we all wanna die here regardless of whether or not we're trans. same desire, different motives. at least give us the dignity of not telling us we're mentally ill for the wrong reasons while we're tryna die. cheers