Trouble with SN lately

[lastch]

I took a break from this forum for a week or two and have logged back on to see countless new issues with SN: welfare checks, reports of failures and conflicting information about protocol. I haven't received a visit from police yet but considering I live in Ireland and I'm just across the pond from it I'm on high alert. This couldn't come at a worse time for me because I was planning to CTB at the end of the week and now I'm having doubts. I have extreme anxiety as it is and all of this is making it worse. The superstitious part of me is saying that this is all a bad omen and isn't a coincidence that all this is happening now. I just can't keep living in pain anymore and I don't know what I'm going to do.

 

[MathConspiracy]

I don't want to talk you out of it, but if you're having any doubts it might be a good idea to delay the attempt. I personally only attempt when in a very "indifferent" state of mind. Remember, you're always welcome here to vent and discuss <3

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand finding it painful to exist, it's just so cruel to me how there's all this suffering in existing, I always wish there's the option to just simply cease existing in peace and never suffer ever again. But anyway I wish you the best, I hope that you find the relief you search for.

 

[gothbird]

It makes sense that your anxiety is spiking right now with everything about the current wave of SN related posts has been chaotic and unsettling. There's been a surge in reports of welfare checks, particularly in the UK, and yes, some conflicting or unclear information about protocol has followed.

That said, let's separate some fact from fear:

• Welfare checks so far have primarily been reported in the UK and Canada, and most of those involved orders from a single compromised seller (DMC). Ireland hasn't been named in any reliable reports yet. That doesn't guarantee safety, but you're not directly in the zone of known intervention either.
• Conflicting protocol info often comes from confusion, panic, or new users misinterpreting details. The core method—25g SN in 50ml water after fasting, with proper antiemetics—has not changed. When done correctly, it remains one of the most effective known options. What has increased are reports of people skipping fasting or vomiting, which raises the risk of failure. Also many sock puppet accounts trying to make people afraid.

You're right to take a pause and reassess. With SN in particular, rushing or second guessing can lead to outcomes you don't want.

If this isn't the right time, it's okay to wait. Waiting doesn't mean you've failed. You can still revisit the plan when the noise dies down, or if another method ends up feeling safer for you.

 

[Dante_]

Conflicting protocol info often comes from confusion, panic, or new users misinterpreting details. The core method—25g SN in 50ml water after fasting, with proper antiemetics—has not changed. When done correctly, it remains one of the most effective known options. What has increased are reports of people skipping fasting or vomiting, which raises the risk of failure. Also many sock puppet accounts trying to make people afraid.

I honestly think this has been an issue for sometime now, I'd like to think there isn't anything purposeful misleading of information discussed or shared about this method or any others but more especially, this one since it's been asked about more than any other, eventually things get watered down and unfortunately misunderstood.

 

[gothbird]

I honestly think this has been an issue for sometime on now, I'd like to think there isn't anything purposeful misleading of information discussed or shared about this method or any others but more especially, this one since it's been asked about more than any other, eventually things get watered down and unfortunately misunderstood.

I completely agree. It's been an issue for a while now. I don't think most people are being deliberately misleading, but with how often SN gets discussed (and rediscussed), the details get lost in repetition. Half truths get passed around, newer users quote older posts out of context, and before long the original protocol gets watered down or misapplied.

It might actually be time for a sticky thread that consolidates only the most reliable, evidence based SN info like proper dosing, fasting, antiemetics, what to expect, what not to do, common mistakes, etc. No discussion, just the facts, reviewed and updated as needed. It would cut through a lot of the panic and contradiction that's floating around lately.

I'd be happy to help write it, if others agree it's needed. Just tired of seeing people confused or scared because of fragmented info. I personally researched it so much that I'm so thankful such a peaceful death is waiting for me.

 

[Dante_]

It might actually be time for a sticky thread that consolidates only the most reliable, evidence based SN info like proper dosing, fasting, antiemetics, what to expect, what not to do, common mistakes, etc. No discussion, just the facts, reviewed and updated as needed. It would cut through a lot of the panic and contradiction that's floating around lately.

While I wouldn't be against this idea, my only problem that Vizzy contributed such a great thread with the thread he made around June 23 when I was here the first time, I'm not sure how much more could be added on to a new one just about 2 years later although it wouldn't be bad idea at all. The details do get repeated a lot so I'm down to help correct that so that less people harm themselves.

 

[frommolecules2stars]

I honestly think this has been an issue for sometime now, I'd like to think there isn't anything purposeful misleading of information discussed or shared about this method or any others but more especially, this one since it's been asked about more than any other, eventually things get watered down and unfortunately misunderstood.

It definitely has. I don't remember the specific thread, but a woman had a failed SN attempt which was apparently very painful and was warning others not to use SN to ctb. She claimed she followed the protocol, but later revealed that "she took as much as she could" rather than the recommended dose for her weight. I think she may have mixed it in apple cider as well.

 

[gothbird]

While I wouldn't be against this idea, my only problem that Vizzy contributed such a great thread with the thread he made around June 23 when I was here the first time, I'm not sure how much more could be added on to a new one just about 2 years later although it wouldn't be bad idea at all. The details do get repeated a lot so I'm down to help correct that so that less people harm themselves.

Yeah, he really did. I don't want his work to be forgotten. He was such a thoughtful advocate for the method. I've got a few ideas that build on his original thread, and I'll keep you in the loop, Dante.

 

[Dante_]

Yeah, he really did. I don't want his work to be forgotten. He was such a thoughtful advocate for the method. I've got a few ideas that build on his original thread, and I'll keep you in the loop, Dante.

I'd really appreciate that, let me know if you need any help.

 

[2messdup]

Yeah, he really did. I don't want his work to be forgotten. He was such a thoughtful advocate for the method. I've got a few ideas that build on his original thread, and I'll keep you in the loop, Dante.

Just saw a post advising against using metal spoon with sn. Is that correct? Does it react with metal?

 

[lastch]

Just saw a post advising against using metal spoon with sn. Is that correct? Does it react with metal?

From what I've read it does. I have all plastic utensils to use

 

[gothbird]

Just saw a post advising against using metal spoon with sn. Is that correct? Does it react with metal?

SN can react with certain metals, particularly uncoated or reactive metals like aluminum, copper, and iron. While brief contact with a metal spoon may not cause a reaction, it's best practice to avoid metal altogether when handling or preparing SN because it can promote oxidation reactions. When it comes into contact with reactive metals (especially under moist conditions), it can corrode the metal or trigger minor chemical reactions that may alter the composition or effectiveness of the SN.

Use glass, plastic, or ceramic containers and utensils when preparing SN. Stir with a plastic or wooden stirrer.

It's a small detail, but small details matter.

I'd really appreciate that, let me know if you need any help.

I'm currently under a PM ban for about a month but do you know if I'm still able to start a conversation with you?

 

[2messdup]

From what I've read it does. I have all plastic utensils to use

Thanks. I didn't know that.

SN can react with certain metals, particularly uncoated or reactive metals like aluminum, copper, and iron. While brief contact with a metal spoon may not cause a reaction, it's best practice to avoid metal altogether when handling or preparing SN because it can promote oxidation reactions. When it comes into contact with reactive metals (especially under moist conditions), it can corrode the metal or trigger minor chemical reactions that may alter the composition or effectiveness of the SN.

Use glass, plastic, or ceramic containers and utensils when preparing SN. Stir with a plastic or wooden stirrer.

It's a small detail, but small details matter.

I'm currently under a PM ban for about a month but do you know if I'm still able to start a conversation with you?

Thanks for the info. Don't know how I missed that info. Would be gutted if I'd got that wrong after all my preparations.