Discussion Traveling to obtain N

[ctoan]

holy shit im excited

 

[IwasElla]

@longingforrelease
you can check October 2018 edition of PPeH, chapter "Availability of nembutal", page 56

 

[longingforrelease]

@longingforrelease
you can check October 2018 edition of PPeH, chapter "Availability of nembutal", page 56

hey, I tried to download it and after being asked to download the the most recent flash I got this:
404 - File or directory not found.

 

[longingforrelease]

@longingforrelease
you can check October 2018 edition of PPeH, chapter "Availability of nembutal", page 56

think maybe you could make a pdf of the page in question and post it here?

 

[IwasElla]

think maybe you could make a pdf of the page in question and post it here?

Can't upload, 'cause the file is too large, then you may try the August 2018 edition , page 315

 

[IwasElla]

The information in PPeH is not very encouraging, but if I knew that in my country N. hypothetically could be sold legally, I would have tried to call different veterinary shops and ask for it.

 

[longingforrelease]

OK, I took a look at the version and found the brief section dealing with Thailand. I have to say a few things and say them rather cryptically. I'm in Thailand. After only 4 months here I've already learned one needs to be prudent about what one posts on the internet. And I am not using a VPN. Please connect those dots so you will understand why I can't really be comfortable openly discussing this. But I will do some research about the legal availability of N as it was discussed in that manuscript, which, btw, made the point that restrictions on N here seem to vary across locale and change over time. So it could well be that I will find that N is no longer a legally available product. If it appears that there is any possible legal obstacle I will have nothing further to do with this. Let me state here for the record that I will abide by all the laws of Thailand at all times. I am merely offering here to research what the current legal status is in this country and to report back on those findings. fair enough?

 

[longingforrelease]

hey everyone, I just saw this thread
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Hello everyone,

The admin and mod team have noticed more and more posts with people trying to buy and sell products, along with people requesting to be given items and/or money. It clearly states this is prohibited in the rules, no exceptions. Anyone found to be doing any of the things below will recieved a hefty warning or be banned from the site.

Direct quote from the Rules and FAQ page:

• Requests / Selling: Do not buy, sell, nor ask for products nor money.

Thank you,
DF90
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It looks like what we've been discussing is expressly forbidden here. Given how important this site has become to me, I will abide the rules as described by he admin. I'm sorry I can't be of further help. But should I learn anything about the present state of N availability here I will still pass that along. That doesn't seem to be a violation of the site's rules

 

[IwasElla]

But should I learn anything about the present state of N availability here I will still pass that along. That doesn't seem to be a violation of the site's rules

We'll much appreciate that. This thread is about traveling, so any kind of actual information about N. in your country would be very helpful for potential travelers.

 

[TheLastTrip]

Did anyone find out what can be done with the body in the case of ctb in Peru? I don't care about my body and don't want my family to have troubles with its transportation back to my country.

Unfortunately Ella then I recently found out that might be an issue. You'd think this kind of thing would be some sort of sacrosanct process that corruption can't touch, but apparently not according to the link below :( so yes there might be problems getting your body back from Peru. One of the downsides of getting N from there unfortunately.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/griev...ms-peru-extorting-her-for-return-of-sons-body

 

[TheLastTrip]

Thanks for Your answer TheLastTrip. I will go there and it would be great if you could give me all your information via PM (I cannot write PMs yet).
Will travel to Lima and would like to know, if you got any informations about availability of N there? Have to make sure it will be obtainable and would love from other community members with detailed proov/experiences here too. Will also start an own thread later that day about the topic.

Hey bud,

Well my understanding and plan was Lima as the easy entry point into the country, with the least chance of getting N. Personally this was the most nerve wracking for me, you need to get a taxi to a dodgy part of the city and stop at a bank of vet shops, and go door to door getting rejection until maybe someone says yes. I hoped I would have the confidence to do it, but I'd feel so dodgy literally going from one to the next, with the taxi driving wondering what the hell I was up to (I am generally a very anxious person, so someone else might be able to do this without a second thought, I practically lock up if a security guard in a clothes shop looks my way, even though I'd never actually do anything wrong!).

Cusco, now that was my secret weapon, the shops there are on a long street of normal shops, so I would just be a tourist happily walking along and happen to stumble into each vet shop, it's less obvious what you're up to, and there are enough shops to keep going if you get a rejection. They are also keen for the trade and so it just all round seems easier than Lima. You have to contend with the altitude though, so if you fly into Cusco from Lima then expect a day or two of rest before you're able to go out and about. If you aren't going to ctb in Cusco then I'd advise a bus back to Lima (try Peru Hop as they have English speaking guides) as personally I'd feel far more anxious trying to get the bottles back in a suitcase through an airport than I would slinging it in the hold of a bus.

Should both of those fail then Bolivia is a short bus ride from Cusco (to La Paz, use Peru Hop), according to the handbook it's easy to get it here as no prescription is needed. So that would be my path, try Lima (if I dared), Cusco as my backup and most promising place, then La Paz in Bolivia as my failsafe.

I hope that helps some people :)

 

[IwasElla]

Unfortunately Ella then I recently found out that might be an issue. You'd think this kind of thing would be some sort of sacrosanct process that corruption can't touch, but apparently not according to the link below :( so yes there might be problems getting your body back from Peru. One of the downsides of getting N from there unfortunately.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/griev...ms-peru-extorting-her-for-return-of-sons-body

OMG! Poor woman =( $5500 is too much.
Thank you for sharing the article.

I don't want my body to be sent back home, but what if my family will be forced to take it away?
I wonder if there is any legal opportunity to leave the body in Peru (or any other country I ctb) and let the police do what they want with it, it's just a dead meat.

 

[TheLastTrip]

$5500 was just the initial payment, they took that then wouldn't release the body and demanded a compounding amount of money for 'refrigeration' so it was worse than that. I Googled and couldn't find confirmation of how that story ended :(

I did look into leaving my body in Peru, but I suspect my family would try to get it back, and probably refuse to have me cremated. It's the one flaw in the plan I made, but as harsh as this sounds, I have done everything I can to make this as easy and painless as possible for them, so this one issue is better than them having everything to deal with.

I have heard of unclaimed bodies just being buried with no fuss, probably no coffin either, which is fine with me, but can't confirm Peru would do that. The best way to try and get that to happen is to cover up who you are, if they can't identify you they have no way of contacting anyone to claim the body and have to deal with it. Hotels require ID though as far as I know, so you'd be hard pushed to do that unless you discarded all your identifying documents in various public bins (cut up, bits in each) and then used N out in the country somewhere, there are loads of places to get lost if you go to smaller villages, hell it might even be classed as an accident if they found you stuck out in the jungle.

 

[Schopenhauer]

OMG! Poor woman =( $5500 is too much.
Thank you for sharing the article.

I don't want my body to be sent back home, but what if my family will be forced to take it away?
I wonder if there is any legal opportunity to leave the body in Peru (or any other country I ctb) and let the police do what they want with it, it's just a dead meat.

If you dispose of all your documents and erase your phone, they won't be able to ascertain your identity, and you'll most likely be buried as an indigent (or pauper, or John Doe, whatever the Peruvian legal term is). But you have to be very sure about ctb before taking this drastic step.

 

[IwasElla]

I have heard of unclaimed bodies just being buried with no fuss, probably no coffin either, which is fine with me, but can't confirm Peru would do that. The best way to try and get that to happen is to cover up who you are, if they can't identify you they have no way of contacting anyone to claim the body and have to deal with it. Hotels require ID though as far as I know, so you'd be hard pushed to do that unless you discarded all your identifying documents in various public bins (cut up, bits in each) and then used N out in the country somewhere, there are loads of places to get lost if you go to smaller villages, hell it might even be classed as an accident if they found you stuck out in the jungle.

If you dispose of all your documents and erase your phone, they won't be able to ascertain your identity, and you'll most likely be buried as an indigent (or pauper, or John Doe, whatever the Peruvian legal term is). But you have to be very sure about ctb before taking this drastic step.

Thanks, guys! Before reading your valuable advice I was so stupid thinking to buy a group tour to Peru in a travel agency.

All the above sounds pretty scary. I have to take some barb and stomach this info.

But being a Jane Doe sounds nice to me)

 

[TheLastTrip]

@IwasElla you're welcome bud, if you have any other questions just ask, I have been planning all this for about 3 months, every moment of every day. For instance to get into Bolivia you need a yellow fever vaccination, so you can't do my Lima > Cusco > La Paz trifecta of N buying goodness without that ;)

 

[Tidus]

@IwasElla you're welcome bud, if you have any other questions just ask, I have been planning all this for about 3 months, every moment of every day. For instance to get into Bolivia you need a yellow fever vaccination, so you can't do my Lima > Cusco > La Paz trifecta of N buying goodness without that ;)

I think they will not check when You cross the border.
Read some topics on the internet and it does not look like it gets checked
Do You got the concrete information that it is mandatory and gets controlled in some way?

 

[Tidus]

Hey bud,

Well my understanding and plan was Lima as the easy entry point into the country, with the least chance of getting N. Personally this was the most nerve wracking for me, you need to get a taxi to a dodgy part of the city and stop at a bank of vet shops, and go door to door getting rejection until maybe someone says yes. I hoped I would have the confidence to do it, but I'd feel so dodgy literally going from one to the next, with the taxi driving wondering what the hell I was up to (I am generally a very anxious person, so someone else might be able to do this without a second thought, I practically lock up if a security guard in a clothes shop looks my way, even though I'd never actually do anything wrong!).

Cusco, now that was my secret weapon, the shops there are on a long street of normal shops, so I would just be a tourist happily walking along and happen to stumble into each vet shop, it's less obvious what you're up to, and there are enough shops to keep going if you get a rejection. They are also keen for the trade and so it just all round seems easier than Lima. You have to contend with the altitude though, so if you fly into Cusco from Lima then expect a day or two of rest before you're able to go out and about. If you aren't going to ctb in Cusco then I'd advise a bus back to Lima (try Peru Hop as they have English speaking guides) as personally I'd feel far more anxious trying to get the bottles back in a suitcase through an airport than I would slinging it in the hold of a bus.

Should both of those fail then Bolivia is a short bus ride from Cusco (to La Paz, use Peru Hop), according to the handbook it's easy to get it here as no prescription is needed. So that would be my path, try Lima (if I dared), Cusco as my backup and most promising place, then La Paz in Bolivia as my failsafe.

I hope that helps some people :)

Thank You very much for the detailled answer.
I hope to get it straight in Lima. There have been various reports, that only the small back street shop sells it without prescription...
Last "successful" purchase was by an Andrew in April 2018 in exactly this shop.
Another report states, that money talks and that a purchase with local help was successful for 200USD

How easy is it to get from Lima to Cusco, just in case?

 

[TheLastTrip]

I think they will not check when You cross the border.
Read some topics on the internet and it does not look like it gets checked
Do You got the concrete information that it is mandatory and gets controlled in some way?

It's mandatory from Peru to Bolivia, if you will have it checked is another matter, but they will refuse you entry if they do ask and you don't have it. It's just one shot, one time, so personally I would rather have it and not use it than be stopped, trying to get the shot in Peru will be a lot harder!

Thank You very much for the detailled answer.
I hope to get it straight in Lima. There have been various reports, that only the small back street shop sells it without prescription...
Last "successful" purchase was by an Andrew in April 2018 in exactly this shop.
Another report states, that money talks and that a purchase with local help was successful for 200USD

How easy is it to get from Lima to Cusco, just in case?

Haha, yes I saw about the bribes, I am totally happy with doing that in terms of having the money to offer a 200 USD bribe, the only thing holding me back is massive anxiety. I have seen bribes given on TV but never done one myself, I follow rules so if they ask for a prescription I'll just turn red, shake my head and walk out more than likely. Sad, but so so true, lol.

Lima to Cusco is a quick and cheap flight, dead easy apart from Lima airport being awful to fly out of (in is fine because you just land and grab your stuff, going out they change gates without warning apparently and you might miss your flight if you're not really clued up.

Or you can take buses, the Peru Hop bus is about $179 I think, but you'll need accommodation along the way and food as it doesn't go direct. There are direct buses that you sleep on, but I would book that in Lima at a store rather than online as I had real trouble online trying to get anything booked, I think if I remember that you also need to be in the country to book, they check your IP address (no I don't know why!). I might be remembering that wrong though. Don't expect a driver or guide who can speak English on anything but the Peru Hop bus and do NOT take a cheap bus from a cheap company, bus travel can be perilous (including bus hijackings and robberies) and you need one of the established companies like Cruz del Sur to make sure drivers are checked to see if they have been drinking etc before you set off!

So flying is easiest, I have heard if you get there in the morning you can just turn up at the airport, buy a ticket and fly that morning. Expect severe altitude sickness on landing though, chew on the coca leaves, don't buy shots of oxygen if you see them (waste of time apparently).

 

[TheLastTrip]

Oh and in case anyone else is reading this thread for an update, then it is back on like megatron. After some issues finding a partner and massive financial loss, I am back on my trip to Peru.

It sounds like me and Tidus will both be there at the same time, so it will be interesting to see the differences in our stories trying to get N on location!

I'll create a new thread when the time comes, anything posted here will be buried quickly as the thread is already about to move to 2 pages.

 

[Sidi]

There is now a low cost airline flying from Lima to Cusco called Viva Air

 

[Tidus]

Oh and in case anyone else is reading this thread for an update, then it is back on like megatron. After some issues finding a partner and massive financial loss, I am back on my trip to Peru.

It sounds like me and Tidus will both be there at the same time, so it will be interesting to see the differences in our stories trying to get N on location!

I'll create a new thread when the time comes, anything posted here will be buried quickly as the thread is already about to move to 2 pages.

Why not do this thing together LastTrip? I will be there in December - You would not have to care about the Veterinaria Stores at Estadio National and the Bribe kind of thing.

I am sure there will be a way in Lima in this special spot. Be it with bribe or the assistance of a local.
We could partner our knowledge and we wont feel kind of lonely. After getting the N our paths can seperate or not, we can see.

Personally I want to get the N in the first days of the visit and then have a really really nice time in Peru before ctb and never taking the flight back.

 

[Tidus]

another question - could our "plannings" be read by some kind of government/person. I registered with my private Email adress, which states my name - could this get some kind of problemativ or are we really under the radar and free here?

 

[TheLastTrip]

There is always the risk of people snooping, but they'd need to hack the database to access your email address as it's internal data.

We can meet up bud, but we need like 4 - 5 bottles each, if we rock up at one of those places and ask for 8 - 10 bottles then they're either going to be super happy at making a big sale, or call the cops, lol, that looks like distribution level buying.

I am still trying to book new flights so don't know when I'll be there, but hopefully this week. Once I am settled in I am planning to go straight there and try (if I can work up the nerve, I am sure I will), or fly straight to Cusco as that's still my preference regardless of whether I could in Lima. Then I'd bus from Cusco back. I need photos of different places to fuel my 'trip to South America' excuse for leaving my home country for months ;) oh I need to visit Machu Picchu too, everyone keeps asking me about that.

But yes shoot me a PM if you want to organise something in Lima.

 

[Tidus]

There is always the risk of people snooping, but they'd need to hack the database to access your email address as it's internal data.

We can meet up bud, but we need like 4 - 5 bottles each, if we rock up at one of those places and ask for 8 - 10 bottles then they're either going to be super happy at making a big sale, or call the cops, lol, that looks like distribution level buying.

I am still trying to book new flights so don't know when I'll be there, but hopefully this week. Once I am settled in I am planning to go straight there and try (if I can work up the nerve, I am sure I will), or fly straight to Cusco as that's still my preference regardless of whether I could in Lima. Then I'd bus from Cusco back. I need photos of different places to fuel my 'trip to South America' excuse for leaving my home country for months ;) oh I need to visit Machu Picchu too, everyone keeps asking me about that.

But yes shoot me a PM if you want to organise something in Lima.

Wouldnt 3 bottles per Person be enough? In the book nobody buys more than 3

You will be in Lima this upcoming week?
edit: Ah You will know this week, when You will be in Lima.

And why do You need to take photos and so so on - will You let it look like an accident and get the N in another bottle, before taking it?
Sorry for the many questions - I am focused these days but still need lot of confirmations.

Thanks for the security question too - looks like we are among our peers.

I will be in Lima in mid december. Maybe the up from the 10th about that. Looking forward to everything from You here, too.

Unfortunately I cannot write PMs (yet? because I just registered) - can anybody clarify. Thanks in advance.

How old are You, if You mind?

 

[Sidi]

In Peru they sell 50 ml bottles, so you have to take four to ctb

 

[Tidus]

In Peru they sell 50 ml bottles, so you have to take four to ctb

Thanks for Your answer Sidi - Yes I´ve read that they sell 50ml and not the 100ml
sure about that - in the book they are buying 3, so 150ml?

https://exitinternational.net/media/ch12FAQ.pdf
-Drinking a full bottle of veterinary Nembutal (100ml, 60mg/ml, 6gm) will result in a peaceful death.
-The best drug to enhance the effect of Nembutal is alcohol.

Should be more than save with the 3

 

[TheLastTrip]

There is now a low cost airline flying from Lima to Cusco called Viva Air

Thanks Sidi and thanks for answering about the bottles.

@Tidus I take pics as people at home want pictures of my holiday. My age is - not as young as I used to be :P

 

[meowcat]

Just want to add something here.If I go to Cuzco or La Paz,I would rather travel back down to a lower altitude and ctb since i would be worried about any effect altitude might have on holding the N in the stomach without puking it out.Just a thought.

 

[IwasElla]

I'm still thinking of my future dead meat... I've found out that some (or all?) types of travel insurance include repatriation coverage. It seems to be a good option for not destroying documents. I'll try to learn more about it. But I can imagine the face of the insurance agent =)