Method Train positioning

[HadEnough1974]

Well ... there are some informational posts in there alongside the sort you don't want to read. And merging this thread with that one could help future mega-thread readers.

Meanwhile, I've read about people remaining responsive while pinned under a vehicle that's already severed them. It seems they're not aware that they're fatally injured. It is indeed tricky for the paramedics.


I guess my answer is "no, not really", since I don't know what fresh insights you want to deliver.

Different people want different things from their deaths. I'm mostly in the "quick and peaceful" group myself but I see that not everyone is, and they don't have to be.

And sure, some people have fetishes, but I don't think this forum is the place for fetish-shaming.

Lol it's not fetish shaming! I just sometimes wonder if for some people, their true desire is sexual gratification or the desire to ctb.

 

[Mundi]

I think if OP specifically stated that morality posts are considered spam, the chances of changing their mind is already slim to none. For the record, on a moral level I am completely opposed to public suicide. A little kid found my mom's body after she jumped and I still have nightmares about how it must have affected him. Yet, I still manage to not post my moral view on jumping in every jumping thread. There is a time and a place, and it seems pointless where someone has already made up their mind.

As for the original question: why not put your head on the track directly (rather than your neck), so your brain gets squished immediately? I'm a little scared of the "still conscious for a few seconds" part of decapitation.

 

[autumnal]

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And yes, I truly believe that for some, suicide by train is some sort of fetish. Talking about it, fantasizing about, talking about the proper head placement in the tracks, decapitation etc... just like for some people, limb amputation is a fetish, so is suicide by train.
[...]

Here is something for the train method fetishists to get off on, hopefully as a substitute for traumatizing an innocent train driver!

I think if OP specifically stated that morality posts are considered spam, the chances of changing their mind is already slim to none. For the record, on a moral level I am completely opposed to public suicide. A little kid found my mom's body after she jumped and I still have nightmares about how it must have affected him. Yet, I still manage to not post my moral view on jumping in every jumping thread. There is a time and a place, and it seems pointless where someone has already made up their mind.
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You are right that OP may possibly already be a lost cause, but then again someone who specifically forewarns others not to post dissenting opinions may well be doing so due to a lack of conviction and a fear their own opinion may be easily altered. But additionally, our statements about the morality are intended just as much for other members as they are the OP. If you feel so strongly about traumatising witnesses to jumping, and especially seeing as you have a relevant and moving personal anecdote as well, I would actually encourage you to share it on 'every jumping thread'. These are the stories that move people far better than rational arguments or statistics ever could.

@StateOfMind This is not a method I could ever do. But I find it concerning that your simple and clear request isn't being honored. If this was an off limits topic, there wouldn't be a resourced megathread.

But just because a request is 'simple and clear', does not necessarily make it valid or right. And the fact there is a megathread does not automatically make a topic beyond practical or moral consideration and discussion.

 

[Pryras]

First of all please refrain from hijacking this method-thread with an ethical debate. If you are so concerned about this think about making a separate thread. Thank you. Additionally nothing you say will make this a less viable option for me and any "moral implications" that are posted will be viewed as spam and ignored.

In terms of the method itself I'm having some trouble deciding on a position. Which one would you go with if you had no other choice?

Here are a few that should work in order of lethality:

01 - Decapitation
02 - Cut in half sideways
03 - Cut in half long ways
04 - Headbutting the train
05 - Standing facing away from the train

Feel free to add if I missed any.

Is going by train truly your only option or is it the preferred one? Anyone can get SN and there's also jumping which takes nothing but courage.

Chances are, you will die from ANY position but in terms of peacefulness you're going to want to go with decapitation. I don't recommend CTB by train since it's messy and traumatic to the operator though. You won't be quickly sliced in half but mangled under the tracks and completely torn apart. Might be quick or you might be in agony for a bit.

 

[HadEnough1974]

Here is something for the train method fetishists to get off on, hopefully as a substitute for traumatizing an innocent train driver!






You are right that OP may possibly already be a lost cause, but then again someone who specifically forewarns others not to post dissenting opinions may well be doing so due to a lack of conviction and a fear their own opinion may be easily altered. But additionally, our statements about the morality are intended just as much for other members as they are the OP. If you feel so strongly about traumatising witnesses to jumping, and especially seeing as you have a relevant and moving personal anecdote as well, I would actually encourage you to share it on 'every jumping thread'. These are the stories that move people far better than rational arguments or statistics ever could.



But just because a request is 'simple and clear', does not necessarily make it valid or right. And the fact there is a megathread does not automatically make a topic beyond practical or moral consideration and discussion.

That train video is very disturbing. Be careful, you might get banned by the mods!! Especially the ending of the video. ;)

 

[autumnal]

That train video is very disturbing. Be careful, you might get banned by the mods!! Especially the ending of the video. ;)

Yeah, I probably should have spoilered it to avoid triggering anyone!

 

[watereyes]

@autumnal, thank you for this video, now THIS has opened my eyes

 

[Khyber]

Like others on here I don't agree with the train method due to the impact it could have on the driver etc. However, as it's the OP's thread I feel everyone should respect their wishes and focus on what they want to talk about. Ironically I'm now doing the opposite. Too often conversations go off on a tangent and we lose focus on the original question. We all have different opinions, beliefs, morals etc. but sometimes people just want a focused discussion about what they're thinking and we should respect that.

 

[Soul]

I would not do that. When you change your mind and pull the head away, you still lose your legs.

Good point. So what position would prevent that sort of thing?

As to the strong resistance to this method ... I wouldn't choose this way to go, but I respect the fact that different people want different things from our deaths. I also feel it's fair for people to express their abhorrence if a poster asks what we think or seems unaware that others may be traumatized. But to me that doesn't mean bombarding anyone with my opinion. Others may be traumatized by most/all forms of suicide and we don't pummel everyone with that message.

This OP is clearly aware of the impact this method may have on others and doesn't feel deterred. So I don't feel a need to go all anti on him/her.

Lol it's not fetish shaming! I just sometimes wonder if for some people, their true desire is sexual gratification or the desire to ctb.

There's probably some of both in many of us here. Why focus on calling out this method in particular? (That's a rhetorical question - no need to reply unless it amuses you to.)

 

[autumnal]

Now I would just like to add a little something.. I haven't read the entire comments and I don't care... Having tried this method myself (But scared by the train in the end) I did this out of desperation and I was totally unaware of other methods.. It was certainly not cowardice or selfishness. Now that I am aware of the moral concerns I wouldn't ever try this. And when you're desperate, -other people on this site might know it better than I do- the moral concerns seem rather insignificant..

Now I agree, from my point of view too, it is morally wrong, but it's not like suicide itself is morally 'right', or that there's a morally right at all... Still, I wouldn't try this anymore. Wouldn't recommend this method, or recommend suicide at all, anyway. Wouldnt recommend anything.

Apologies, I should have specified that forum members who choose the train method are acting selfishly and cowardly.

Someone who has not come across the forum before may well not realise that there are easier and less traumatic methods available.

Good point. So what position would prevent that sort of thing?

Several miles away, at home, upright, sitting on your couch

 

[Shoopie]

It isn't just the driver who suffers either. There's always (country dependant) safety management who attend plus the clean up crew, train engineers who usually have to examine the train afterwards for track worthiness. Plus the countless thousands of passengers who will inevitably be inconvenienced by several hours usually (depending on the line)

Add to this that the body can suffer horrendous injury meaning your remains are taken away in black bags if severely damaged. If this is the case they rarely get it all. There is zero dignity in death this way. Add to this it isn't always reliable either.

 

[autumnal]

The OP has a train fetish, let's face it!!

Well I have a bridge fetish so everythings possible eh

@BridgeJumper1994, you and the OP should both get off over this image together then!

 

[watereyes]

@BridgeJumper1994, you and the OP should both get off over this image together then!

now this is gold

 

[rhiino]

Good point. So what position would prevent that sort of thing?

Head on one track and rest of the body away from the tracks. When you pull away (fast enough) there is no damage to your body.

Don't most trains have a "cow pusher" at the front? It would make it difficult to CTB

Aren't they high enough above the tracks to leave space for your neck?

This OP is clearly aware of the impact this method may have on others and doesn't feel deterred. So I don't feel a need to go all anti on him/her.

Exactly. I absolutely hate it how people have to hijack threads like these with their moral considerations, even though the OP specifically asked to refrain from doing this. Every way of commiting suicide has its impact on others, the question is always just how much of an impact it has. Hence everybody has to draw a line for himself somewhere and people might draw this line elswhere.

I have the feeling that people try to systematically spam threads like these with a moral debate to sabotage any profound discussion about the technical aspects of the method and by that keep people from trying it.
I mean, look at @autumnal, he currently just spams this thread with off-topic stuff to make a (non-ethical) discussion hard. He seems to like to judge people anyway. Just stop it. This thread is specifically not about an ethical debate.

Ironically the strong headwind from society regarding suicide and even in this forum the strong headwind regarding methods like these here actually draw me instead of deter me, if anything.

 

[autumnal]

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Exactly. I absolutely hate it how people have to hijack threads like these with their moral considerations, even though the OP specifically asked to refrain from doing this. Every way of commiting suicide has its impact on others, the question is always just how much of an impact it has. Hence everybody has to draw a line for himself somewhere and people might draw this line elswhere.

I have the feeling that people try to systematically spam threads like these with a moral debate to sabotage any profound discussion about the technical aspects of the method and by that keep people from trying it.
I mean, look at @autumnal, he currently just spams this thread with off-topic stuff to make a (non-ethical) discussion hard. He seems to like to judge people anyway. Just stop it. This thread is specifically not about an ethical debate.

If my previous posts in this thread haven't given you an understanding of my position on this topic, and similarly with the posts of others against this method, then no further amount of explanation will.

FYI, I have zero issue with technical discussion about the method, but you are naive to think that technical discussion can (or should) ever be separated from the relevant moral or practical considerations. My only attempts to deter people using the train method are by the content of my argument in posts, not due to any attempt for the volume of the posts themselves crowding out other discussion.

Anyone such as yourself who still believes in the moral justification of this method is obviously more than welcome to read through the thread, post their own responses and ignore any posts not related to technical discussion (or 'Ignore' [i.e. block] the writer). What you are not welcome to do is discourage myself or others from making such posts because you disagree with their moral stance (as you have done), nor dictate or forewarn against valid moral discussion (as the OP did).

 

[StateOfMind]

As for the original question: why not put your head on the track directly (rather than your neck), so your brain gets squished immediately? I'm a little scared of the "still conscious for a few seconds" part of decapitation.

Decap seems to be the consensus but not sure if I can prep for that in terms of balls. Don't really mind hanging around a second after though. That's nothing compared to 45 more years of suffering.

Chances are, you will die from ANY position but in terms of peacefulness you're going to want to go with decapitation. I don't recommend CTB by train since it's messy and traumatic to the operator though. You won't be quickly sliced in half but mangled under the tracks and completely torn apart. Might be quick or you might be in agony for a bit.

Correct, I feel that almost any position has good chance. I don't think there would be much pain.. one would be on complete shock and before you know whats going on you'd be dead.

 

[rhiino]

Decap seems to be the consensus but not sure if I can prep for that in terms of balls.

Head turned away from train, at night with black clothes so you are not seen and see less yourself, maybe with earplugs to even minimize noise and then think of something beautiful.

I do not mind pain as well when it comes to ctb, but fear/survival instinct is a problem. I tried to jump once, it was waaay too scary.

 

[StateOfMind]

I do not mind pain as well when it comes to ctb, but fear/survival instinct is a problem. I tried to jump once, it was waaay too scary.

I don't know how jumpers do it.. I tried once but bailed cause I was no longer sure about the height.

 

[Dead beat dad]

First of all please refrain from hijacking this method-thread with an ethical debate. If you are so concerned about this think about making a separate thread. Thank you. Additionally nothing you say will make this a less viable option for me and any "moral implications" that are posted will be viewed as spam and ignored.

In terms of the method itself I'm having some trouble deciding on a position. Which one would you go with if you had no other choice?

Here are a few that should work in order of lethality:

01 - Decapitation
02 - Cut in half sideways
03 - Cut in half long ways
04 - Headbutting the train
05 - Standing facing away from the train

Feel free to add if I missed any.

If you're hit by a train at the right speed with enough of you in the way of it (so not just dangling a leg or something) you will be annilated, orientation is largely irrelevant in my experience

 

[StateOfMind]

If you're hit by a train at the right speed with enough of you in the way of it (so not just dangling a leg or something) you will be annilated, orientation is largely irrelevant in my experience

I think so. May I ask about your experience?

 

[Dead beat dad]

I think so. May I ask about your experience?

Experience = Grandpoppa used this exact method.
He was annihilated.
For what it's worth we had to go to a coroners court for inquest.
Drivers testimony was pretty hard to listen to.

Peace brother

DBD

 

[Soul]

Some how I feel just jumping the tracks pointing head at the train and goodbye.

I don't remember where I read it, but for the record: Apparently trying to jump under a train is one way to wind up horribly maimed rather than dead.

I would not [lie with neck on one track, legs on the other]. When you change your mind and pull the head away, you still lose your legs.

Having thought about it a bit more ... if I raise my head or sit up at the last second I'm still going to get thoroughly squished, not just lose my legs.

Good to see your typeface, DBD. I hope you're doing well. x

 

[Taraxias]

I don't remember where I read it, but for the record: Apparently trying to jump under a train is one way to wind up horribly maimed rather than dead.



Having thought about it a bit more ... if I raise my head or sit up at the last second I'm still going to get thoroughly squished, not just lose my legs.

Good to see your typeface, DBD. I hope you're doing well. x

What do you with maimed? If you jump
in frond of a train you will not die?

 

[Amnesty]

What do you with maimed? If you jump
in frond of a train you will not die?

There could be a gap under the train that saves your life yet not your limbs.

 

[Taraxias]

There could be a gap under the train that saves your life yet not your limbs.

I still dont understand maybe its my not so good English.you are standing up your head like a bull towards the train and somehow you end up under the train?

 

[Amnesty]

I still dont understand maybe its my not so good English.you are standing up your head like a bull towards the train and somehow you end up under the train?

I do not understand either then, probably it meant lying down or something?

 

[rhiino]

Well, under the train is space for a person most of the times. When you jump there you may survive but lose limbs.

Having thought about it a bit more ... if I raise my head or sit up at the last second I'm still going to get thoroughly squished, not just lose my legs.

I have seen a video of an Indian women that did just that, flinched away and lost her legs. A western woman, Helen Galsworthy, also did it and lost her legs.

 

[Soul]

What do you with maimed? If you jump
in frond of a train you will not die?

Apparently people try to jump under passing trains but manage just to get limbs torn off. I don't know if that also applies to jumping in front of one, but I can imagine why it would: If I hesitated or slipped or otherwise got the timing wrong, I could end up with the wrong parts of me cut off.

If I understood that unknown source properly the point was to lie still on the tracks and wait for the train - no jumping at the last second.

 

[BridgeJumper]

@BridgeJumper1994, you and the OP should both get off over this image together then!

I came

I don't know how jumpers do it.. I tried once but bailed cause I was no longer sure about the height.

Just thought that Ill say that: it was 15 meters, and I still flailed my arms like a bird with my mind screaming regret. I cant imagine the bridge I want to jump off now, if the first one almost made me vomit that one will sure give me a heart attack before I reach the ground

 

[LonelySoul]

Well I wanted to kill myself so I went and jumped off a bridge
In broad daylight
#SelfishnessGoals

My legs were never the same after that

Was it a road bridge, or over water?