Method Train MEGATHREAD

[rhiino]

There you are,mate. Glad to help you out of this world

Very interesting viewpoint of that train driver. It probably helps not being a pro-lifer. I mean, feeling guilt etc. because somebody wanted to die and killed himself by using a train is definitely a bit weird.

 

[any%]

I agree that it is not a pretty thing to do. But I dont get how e.g. a documentary of train drivers is a wake up call. The question is really where to draw the line. I mean by that logic you can watch endless documentaries about the loved ones that a suicider leaves behind and how they sometimes dont get well anymore for the rest of their lives.
I wouldnt say it is ok to kill yourself as long as you dont drag anyone into it, because that is impossible. You always drag people into it. Surely it would be better to not use a train for the sake of the train driver, but still I can understand people who do choose trains. Personally I cant see it black and white, like killing yourself in this way is ok, but doing the other thing is absolutely wrong (as long as you dont plan extended suicide ofc).

Unfortunately suicide will always be an egoistic and unreal feeling act for me, that will leave others hurt one or the other way.

 

[ManWithNoName]

The society wants to keep suicidal people alive against their will and wants to take every method away, especially the peaceful ones, even when somebody is in extreme pain and agony.
Actually considering this I understand everybody who does not care about the people involved in a train suicide anymore, for they are part of that gruesome pro-life machinery.

Indeed. The idea that suicide is a "permanent solution to a temporary problem" is a generalization. Yes every means of recovery should be explored before carrying out self deliverance, no rock left unturned. But even Stoicism allows for the rational suicide. No ones asked to be brought into this world; no one should have to stay if they do not see it fit. If society wants to fix the train jumping problem, it will have to allow for those who simply want to call it quits.

 

[Saed]

ETA: Was trying to quote and reply to rhiino. Just ain't workin'.
Yes,he may well have a few psychopathic attributes,but actually,I think he realises he played a part (unbeknownst to him ahead of time,without his consent) in freeing them of their misery.
They were gone in an instant,from one world to the next. Not crippled,maimed,scarred like in the way other routes may have taken them. They had achieved what they desired.
Infact,perhaps they were lucky to have chosen that guy's train. Where ever they may be,they needn't feel guilt. He saw it from their perspective.

 

[RepressedMind]

The society wants to keep suicidal people alive against their will and wants to take every method away, especially the peaceful ones, even when somebody is in extreme pain and agony.
Actually considering this I understand everybody who does not care about the people involved in a train suicide anymore, for they are part of that gruesome pro-life machinery.

I sometimes have a harder time not seeing people as unsympathetic, so in my mind if I kill myself, it would just bring joy to a lot of people. But this thread made me realize that I should be more mindful of how it can affect people. And it also makes me question jumping from a high place, since that can freak out a lot of people and leave them with permanent damage.

 

[Deleted member 17949]

Considered trains tbh. I don't care about people getting PTSD over seeing me splat like a tomato, that's their problem, not mine. It's quick and efficient, so might consider. Unlikely though since I'm already pretty set on hanging.

 

[SGDynamite]

Please close this thread, this is not good :(

 

[EraseRewind]

I respect anyone's choice to ctb in anyway they feel works for them. I just offer this, I worked in the rail industry for 15 years and as part of my duty I had to attend fatalities on track. The effect on the driver and attending staff can be devastating, the last one I attended led to the driver having to retire because of the incident. Not all react that way but it isn't in anyway easy to deal with, I attended the aftermath of over 100 such incidents and some were very bad, I can say that it is definitely quick although very violent to the body. It will never be my choice, I will never involve anyone in my final act. Just my opinion.

 

[ManWithNoName]

The effect on the driver and attending staff can be devastating, the last one I attended led to the driver having to retire because of the incident.

I do not mean to come across insensitive, but how do we know the conductor's reaction was not "embellished" a bit? Let's face it: there is an insentive there because he got awarded an early retirement.

IMHO there are other factors that could argue against the train method e.g.: surviving but being either disfigured or paralyzed, or both. Many suggest that placing one's neck on the track to ensure success. The only drawback is that one cannot know for certain the mechanics of that part of the train. It may be designed in a way that may just knock one's head away and not be fatal, but serious enough to cause a nasty injury of sorts.

 

[Soul]

What happens to the train drivers who experience suicides on the tracks?

We found out what support there is for drivers to help them through such traumatic events

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Rail Suicide: A Train Driver Struggles with Lives Taken

Each year in Germany, 800 people throw themselves in front of speeding trains, transforming the drivers into involuntary killers. Stephan Kniest has run over four people so far in his career - and fears that a fifth could do him in.

www.spiegel.de

A quote from that second article, which is about the German rail system: "Every train driver ... can expect to run over a person once or twice in their working life."

 

[ManWithNoName]

What happens to the train drivers who experience suicides on the tracks?

We found out what support there is for drivers to help them through such traumatic events

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Rail Suicide: A Train Driver Struggles with Lives Taken

Each year in Germany, 800 people throw themselves in front of speeding trains, transforming the drivers into involuntary killers. Stephan Kniest has run over four people so far in his career - and fears that a fifth could do him in.

www.spiegel.de

A quote from that second article, which is about the German rail system: "Every train driver ... can expect to run over a person once or twice in their working life."

I'm sure this is taught during conductor training, and I would wager that the training goes more in depth on how it is not the conductor's fault, and how it is part and parcel of the job.

 

[EraseRewind]

I do not mean to come across insensitive, but how do we know the conductor's reaction was not "embellished" a bit? Let's face it: there is an insentive there because he got awarded an early retirement.

Interesting perspective, I'm not sure I can agree with the observation due to the level of salary a train driver would lose against early retirement here in the UK. You are correct though, who knows how someone reacts to such an event.

Yes, there is the lack of certainty and the potential for disabling injuries both physical and mental. Too many variables.

 

[StateOfMind]

There was a case in 2009 where a famous German billionaire in the pharmacutical business lost his entire fortune. This is a man could have easily used his industry connections to procure N or SN or any other drug (as well as information for proper use) yet he opted to take his life via train. All the articles about him assert that he jumped. Jumping of course has a good probability of working, though there are those who survive only to become disfigured or paralyzed. Still, one has to wonder why he chose the train.

Adolf Merckle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is interesting.

 

[Taraxias]

Please lets write the better and safer plan to Ctb by this technique including all aspects .positioning ,time,time of the day,train type,train speed,earplugs,black clothes,injuries,time in pain until death fron decapitation,how much pain does it involve,how to know when the train will pass from where you are waiting it.

 

[CivilizationV]

I will never involve anyone in my final act. Just my opinion.

Someone will find you, unless you drown yourself or suicide somewhere unreachable, which is hard for most.

 

[HadEnough1974]

What's with the fixation with train suicides lately? It's a bad idea because you're making someone kill you. That might destroy the drivers mental health and they might kill themselves over it. It's a bad idea.

Fetish fetish fetish!!!

 

[autumnal]

Someone will find you, unless you drown yourself or suicide somewhere unreachable, which is hard for most.

Yes, but there is a difference between someone finding you after death, and someone being involved in your actual death. Neither is pleasant, but the latter is vastly more traumatic.

Not referring to the poster personally, but this does seem to be a common view of those into train suicide – that because every death impacts someone negatively to some degree, we cannot ever draw a line between what impact is acceptable and what is not. Needless to say, this is not a view I share.

 

[StateOfMind]

Please lets write the better and safer plan to Ctb by this technique including all aspects .positioning ,time,time of the day,train type,train speed,earplugs,black clothes,injuries,time in pain until death fron decapitation,how much pain does it involve,how to know when the train will pass from where you are waiting it.

Finally someone asking the real questions. I don't know about ear plugs / phones might too distracting..

 

[Soul]

time in pain until death fron decapitation,

I'm not sure anyone would have an answer to that, unless someone's been interviewing decapitated heads.

I'm not personally interested in a train death, but I'm curious about what a decapitated head experiences. I would think that part would be way more amusing intriguing exciting than the wait for the approaching train.

 

[StateOfMind]

I'm not sure anyone would have an answer to that, unless someone's been interviewing decapitated heads.

I'm not personally interested in a train death, but I'm curious about what a decapitated head experiences. I would think that part would be way more amusing intriguing exciting than the wait for the approaching train.

I think it would be lights out very quickly.

 

[rhiino]

If you have a complete decapitation you should not feel any pain at all or still be conscious. The blood pressure drops so fast your brain just cannot think that fast and then you are already gone. Of course you can only explain that with science, never with experience.

 

[Soul]

your brain just cannot think that fast

Speak for yourself!

Sorry, I seem to be getting giddy. But people do say heads have a moment of awareness after being cut off. Who knows ...

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I wouldn't blame people that decide to use this method so much, as if they intentionally ruined psychologically other people.
What should we say then about those people that have ruined us? Sometimes it was even intentional and they have received no punishment for that (I'm referring to all sort of psychological and physical abuses).
While it can be that some train drivers get deeply affected by this, I think that not all of them react in the same way or have the same sensibility.
The greatest danger is causing a derailment. Or to cause a sudden brake and the passengers to get injured.

When I was in my 20es I was waiting for the underground train after my lessons at the university. When the train arrived, someone at 10 - 20 m from me jumped. It was almost impossible to see how it happened. It was so fast and no one expected it. There was no noise from the person and his body could not be seen. No blood. We all just saw the glasses of the train breaking and the sudden brake, which causes the following cabins to crash one on the other.

I was young and the event made me ask myself questions to fill what I couldn't know.
Why did that man jumped? If he had such a good coordination, probably he wasn't in a very bad health condition; why did he still wanted to do it?
If I would have been closer to him, could I have done something to prevent him from doing it?
I tried to imagine how he looked like, how he waited for the train, where he was hiding. How I could have understood his intentions and talked to him.
I didn't tell anyone about what happened. It was not a story to be shared as a big news. I deeply respected the pain that made him take his life.
I was still in a very compassionate mindset.

But not all the people are the same. The trains got blocked because of that. And the first thing that I heard from my cousin was "couldn't he do it at another time?", while cuddling with his girlfriend. I hated the superficiality. And I believe that the average person thinks in the same way.

 

[ManWithNoName]

But not all the people are the same. The trains got blocked because of that. And the first thing that I heard from my cousin was "couldn't he do it at another time?", while cuddling with his girlfriend. I hated the superficiality. And I believe that the average person thinks in the same way.

That's one of my debates on why perhaps ctb by train does not affect people as tragically as many think. If I may ask you: what year did this happen and what country? I'm slightly older and I can see the insensitivity of people get worse over the years.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

It must have been around 2005, in north Italy.

I believe the same. Possibly only the traumas of the few sensible train drivers cause a large resonance in the news.
But most of them are just like that 20 year old boy of my story, that complains about it like "another asshole decided to suicide and break my precious daily routine".

If that is the problem, then no one that is in a rental apartment should suicide, not even in hotel rooms, or in parent's house.. Because someone that has related personally with us will learn of our death and will have to deal with all the things that we leave behind (our belongings). Isn't that more painful? Being forced to remember us after our death, happened so close to someone.

 

[Gladtogo]

I was in the front carriage of train that hit someone at high speed. The look on the driver's face when he was brought back through the carriage is enough to convince me this is a horrible thing to inflict on someone you don't know...that being said this was a full on splat so i dont know about other methods, still seems harsh.

 

[rhiino]

In Germany an average train driver faces 2 to 3 suicides in his career. If it affected them all in the same way every train driver would be vegetables after some time. Some are affected very harshly, of course, others probably can cope better.

 

[GravityUtilizer]

"another asshole decided to suicide and break my precious daily routine"

 

[ManWithNoName]

It must have been around 2005, in north Italy.

I believe the same. Possibly only the traumas of the few sensible train drivers cause a large resonance in the news.
But most of them are just like that 20 year old boy of my story, that complains about it like "another asshole decided to suicide and break my precious daily routine".

someone.

Here in the U.S. human life has even less value unless one is a celebrity.

 

[TheSkyIsBlue]

The society wants to keep suicidal people alive against their will and wants to take every method away, especially the peaceful ones, even when somebody is in extreme pain and agony.
Actually considering this I understand everybody who does not care about the people involved in a train suicide anymore, for they are part of that gruesome pro-life machinery.

How do you know there won't be people like you in that train? Tired, depressed, just trying to get to work or somewhere else, and you will completely ruin their day by doing this.