Venting To me it feels like the forum went downhill

[4.I.2.Must.Die]

At this rate the mods are gonna have to covertly replace her subtitle with "I'm autistic- repetition, delusions and tunnel vision are symptoms" just because she unfortunately creates very divisive threads with zero understanding of the consequences and how she partly influenced the Tantacrul video to make this site more "mainstream" in the first place.

This problem will have to be addressed at some point as too many new users are gonna wonder who this person is and take umbrage with her posts and threads. I've learnt not to be one of those people.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

For how long as you've been saying the forum has been going downhill we should be hitting in the bottom in 10...9....8....

 

[DreamEnd]

Is this based on your solid "bad vibes" evidence again? Or were you going to present something that resembled actual evidence of such strong accusations?

I'm finding your posts more extreme than FC's tbh.

Nah he is right. FC posts constant doomerism

For as long as you've been saying the forum has been going downhill we should be hitting in the bottom in 10...9....8....

2 more weeks

 

[cupcakesandmilk]

And I m sure that the people who complain the most are not the ones who are gonna kill themselves. They just do it for the sake of complainig.... maybe some kind of hobby, I don't know. Anyway, it is a very annoying development.

?????
I can't tell whether you're agreeing with or mocking FC.

 

[4.I.2.Must.Die]

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I can't tell if you're agreeing with or mocking FC.

It's annoyance not mocking.


PLEASE MODS JUST LOCK THESE DIVISIVE THREADS

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Nah he is right. FC posts constant doomerism

The accusation is much stronger than that though. That they (and others) are taking pleasure in seeing people ctb... that's a pretty extreme accusation. "Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence"

Not just someone's "bad vibes" about certain posters...

 

[Henryk]

I think the main point is to understand that each person deals with their pain in different ways and to respect each one of them. Honestly, so far I haven't found anyone who seems to me to be pro-life, I just think that not everyone has an extremely pessimistic view of everything. I myself would like to live a happy life and be away from CTB but unfortunately it is not my reality. I would also never encourage or advise anyone from CTB, but I also don't judge or point the finger at anyone who wants to do so. In this case, I don't see myself as being pro-life at all, I'm really pro-choice for each person.

 

[4am]

SS has fallen, billions must doomerpost

 

[walkingdead2023]

I think the main point is to understand that each person deals with their pain in different ways and to respect each one of them. Honestly, so far I haven't found anyone who seems to me to be pro-life, I just think that not everyone has an extremely pessimistic view of everything. I myself would like to live a happy life and be away from CTB but unfortunately it is not my reality. I would also never encourage or advise anyone from CTB, but I also don't judge or point the finger at anyone who wants to do so. In this case, I don't see myself as being pro-life at all, I'm really pro-choice for each person.

Thank you! You said what I was about to write..

 

[Captive_Mind515]

At this rate the mods are gonna have to covertly replace her subtitle with "I'm autistic- repetition, delusions and tunnel vision are symptoms" just because she unfortunately creates very divisive threads with zero understanding of the consequences and how she partly influenced the Tantacrul video to make this site more "mainstream" in the first place.

This problem will have to be addressed at some point as too many new users are gonna wonder who this person is and take umbrage with her posts and threads. I've learnt not to be one of those people.

Perhaps a possible solution could be for the mods to automatically lock any thread that FC makes with the "venting" tag attached? That way they still get to vent, but nobody gets to attack their posts.

Because FC has stated before, that they are not looking for a discussion from these vents. That's not the purpose of venting. So maybe that could be one way of preventing all this controversy? Just an idea.

 

[walkingdead2023]

It's annoyance not mocking.


PLEASE MODS JUST LOCK THESE DIVISIVE THREADS

lol you make me laugh all the time!

TBH your posts often rub me up the wrong way. I often get the impression that your posts are subtly trying to push people off the edge.

It almost feels you're annoyed that everyone on the board isn't completely hopeless and immediately seeking ways to kill themselves.

I really fail to see how your pro-extinction points of view should be allowed but pro life points of view shouldn't be allowed. Pro-Life =/= necessarily anti suicide. This forum's existence can only be justified with a firm belief in freedom of speech, which always has to work both ways.

When I see you comment in response to suicidal peoples threads, I see you making subtle attempts to reinforce a bleak point of view of life but then promote death as peaceful and positive. E.G. "This world is so horrible and everything is hopeless.... I hope that death provides the bliss you are looking for".

I just get a really bad vibe from you tbh. It's one thing for people to support and accept people's choices but it's another thing to consistently trying to reinforce a negative opinion about life and a positive opinion about death.

This board SHOULD NOT be about convincing people to die, but allowing them to vent their suicidal feelings and thoughts without judgment and come to their own conclusions.

It's a pro choice forum not a pro suicide forum. You are annoyed at the nature of other people's posts but you expect people to be ok with your anti natalist style points of view like the only positive thing humanity can do is to just extinct itself.

P.S. PEOPLE I'm not anti-suicide, there's a good chance I'm going to CTB soon, but I don't think anyone should be trying to reinforce a bleak point of view, this website should be about supporting individual atonomy, not reinforcing the idea that suicide is a good thing for everyone.

If someone lives a happy life then that's great, but if someone lives a shit life and wants to ctb, that's not good but it should be accepted here and people should be allowed to vent.

We should not be treating suicide as if it's a good thing, because sometimes it's not and sometimes it is. We should be treating personal freedom as a good thing.

Well said!

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Perhaps a possible solution could be for the mods to automatically lock any thread that FC makes with the "venting" tag attached? That way they still get to vent, but nobody gets to attack their posts.

Because FC has stated before, that they are not looking for a discussion from these vents. That's not the purpose of venting. So maybe that could be one way of preventing all this controversy? Just an idea.

This is a public forum, people should be able to respond to a users posts.

 

[DreamEnd]

The accusation is much stronger than that though. That they (and others) are taking pleasure in seeing people ctb... that's a pretty extreme accusation. "Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence"

Not just someone's "bad vibes" about certain posters...

You don't think people who constantly post that existence is the problem, suicide is the solution etc may find joy in seeing other people's goodbye threads. I don't think it's an extreme accusation.

 

[leavingthesoultrap]

I feel like funeralcry needs her own section

 

[Captive_Mind515]

You don't think people who constantly post that existence is the problem, suicide is the solution etc may find joy in seeing other people's goodbye threads. I don't think it's an extreme accusation.

It is if don't have strong evidence to back it up.

I've never seen FC attempt to push anyone over the edge or egg them on to ctb. And that's the not so subtle accusation here. It's an unfair thing to say based on someone's "bad vibes".

 

[Onomatopoeia]

If it makes you feel any better, once I get my SCUBA mask that I ordered from overseas, then my nitrogen from a local dealer, I will be gone from this forum. Little less clutter. I joined to figure out all the details to do inert gas via SCUBA right the first time. Yes, I talk about my husband being murdered. But if he was still here, I wouldn't be in this forum, nor would I be a week or two away from exiting this world.

 

[SexyIncél]

I think it's valuable that SaSu has prolific promortalists — certainly helps me & people I know. Too bad the OP took a swipe at people bound to take it personally: "to me it feels like they are begging for attention". Thus predictably unleashing the clusterfuck

This forum's existence can only be justified with a firm belief in freedom of speech, which always has to work both ways.

As you'd maybe agree, any effective discussion must have defenses against attacks; they're not free-for-alls. For example, religious evangelism's inappropriate for a math forum. Pro-lifer messages are typically inappropriate on suicide subforum — but! — appropriate for recovery subforum. And anyway, prolifers dominate the rest of the internet; they have no shortage of free speech

TBH your posts often rub me up the wrong way. I often get the impression that your posts are subtly trying to push people off the edge.

Guess it's fair to share this opinion, since the the OP alleges people are "begging for attention" — without evidence. (Using a "venting" label doesn't = free ticket)

And since we're all teeing off on each other... :P

Is it just me, or is the Recovery subforum depressing af? Most act clingy to life — no wonder life treats them with such disdain! I must "recover" well enough to act morally & effectively in life — but that place is like Normie School, pumping out NPCs. I post there if I feel I might help OPs, but I feel like a demon walking into a church

Here, at least people interrogate existence to justify the time we waste in it. Asking the right questions imo

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I think it's valuable that SaSu has prolific promortalists — certainly helps me & people I know. Too bad the OP took a swipe at people bound to take it personally: "to me it feels like they are begging for attention". Thus predictably unleashing the clusterfuck


As you'd maybe agree, any effective discussion must have defenses against attacks; they're not free-for-alls. For example, religious evangelism's inappropriate for a math forum. Pro-lifer messages are typically inappropriate on suicide subforum — but! — appropriate for recovery subforum. And anyway, prolifers dominate the rest of the internet; they have no shortage of free speech


Guess it's fair to share this opinion, since the the OP alleges people are "begging for attention" — without evidence. (Using a "venting" label doesn't = free ticket)

And since we're all teeing off on each other... :P

Is it just me, or is the Recovery subforum depressing af? Most act clingy to life — no wonder life treats them with such disdain! I must "recover" well enough to act morally & effectively in life — but that place is like Normie School, pumping out NPCs. I post there if I feel I might help OPs, but I feel like a demon walking into a church

Here, at least people interrogate existence to justify the time we waste in it. Asking the right questions imo

 

[PixelPlant]

 

[W3akCr3atur3]

to me it feels like they are begging for attention with how they spam the forum

It surely does feel like so

 

[Judah]

It's like some users are annoyed that not as many people are as sure about killing themselves anymore, and there isn't a post every 5 minutes from a person who's killed themselves.

And this is true since many users forget that this forum is PROCHOICE

Its very anoying...but somehow this anoying user is extremely protected here.

Freedom of expression is the fundamental pillar of this site, and that is fine
It depends on each user how to use this freedom.

 

[Doemu]

I think you are not taking others people suicide will seriously.

You really think you are more suicidal than others?

That all others don't feel like everyone have to hate life no matter what, they are to much pro-life?

Curious pro-lifers that they are killing themselves and explaining their suffering and their will of attempt.

Saying that they only want attention, is equal as horrible than when people use the number of your post trying just to discredit what are you telling.

I don't think you only want attention, and I don't think others only want attention. Please respect, SUICIDE IS NOT A JOKE.

 

[Bianka]

You do realize people expressing different opinions does not count as hateful and insulting right?
"How dare people not kill themselfs as soon as they join? To hell with them!"
What are you even saying?
You are the stereotypical person everyone is criticizeing this site for without even realizing it

 

[dinosavr]

Why don't people understand the site is pro-choice, not pro-death?

T H I S
It should be the end of discussion.
No one ever said it's a place for venting about how incredible death is.
It's absolutely fine, most of us agree and you are more than welcome to continue posting your vents if you feel you want to. But stop complaining about other points of view!!! We're 100% allowed to have them.

 

[Pluto]

 

[noname223]

@FuneralCry maybe you should quit browsing this forum if it is too "mainstream" for you. You are literally advocating for a death cult in which noone is allowed to disagree with you. Everyone who dares to question your "indisputable truth" is called a pro-lifer. If this forum is that bad and meaningless why are you still visiting it. Genuinely why do you visit this forum if it only worsens your suffering? Your rhetoric and ideology becomes more and more extreme the more people disagree with your "objective, undienable reality". If you repeat your message like a thousand times I might recommend to read this post I dedicated to your behahvior once I put a lot of work into it. Your behavior becomes more and more aggressive and toxic. This community won't fulfil your wish to disobey your notion of intersubjective reality. I only post it one more time but your narrative has to be questioned and debunked. If your opinion is that her takes are part of freedom of speech then I will argument that mine criticism is also part of freespeech. There is no right not to be criticized but seemingly some people don't understand that.

I have thought a lot about FuneralCry recently. The thread where she claimed this forum was pro-life and too mainstream let me question her role in this forum even more. Someone mentioned he gets suicide fetishism vibes of her. And honestly to some extent I get them too. I have written the following post some time ago. I weighed up the pros and cons of posting it. This might be the first and maybe last time I will leave my remarks on her. The thread here is not the main problem. There are many valid reasons for criticizing the suicide prevention regulations. However her whole and sole role in this forum just seems off and this thread adds up to it. I don't really think she is an evil person but she is not really aware of something. The following post is not written to insult her but will probably be perceived as such:


First, I wanted to post an own thread for this topic. However I don't want to add much more drama to the controversy surrounding FuneralCry. So far I barely commented on FuneralCry in this forum. She always treated me fairly. I often had the feeling we had some sort of peace agreement. In my mind I called it jokingly the Hitler-Stalin Pact. If you find that inappropriate we could call it Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. I think we know each other well enough that we have quite some differences regarding our beliefs. She is often the sole person that tries to comfort people who barely receive messages in their threads. A couple of times this applied to my threads. She is popular among some people I like. And I always was scared to make me some enemies with posting my opinion on her. And it felt unthankful to do so because she was replying to my threads when no one else did.


I posted several threads in recovery to help people in their recovery and for quite some times I was scared to be called pro-lifer for that. Also for portraying suicide as a decision of last resort. I don't think my post on her will change much. So why am I still posting it? I also had a guilty conscience not to comment on her because I fear that some (not a few) of her posts can be harmful to others. I had this feeling for quite some time. But I don't know how to address it. I think the behavior is sort of pathological (because of her autism) and I know well enough that pathologies can be quite strong if not almost unbeatable. I think an intervention (with arguments) won't change that much. It similar to my ruminating or posting myriads of threads. It rather seems to polarize the debate to criticize her. I am not sure whether to talk about her in third person or second person is the right thing. I am not sure whether she will read this. So I will talk about her in third person. I think she rather gets reinforced in her beliefs if people criticize her especially if there are sometimes offensive jokes about her posted. Still I think it is sort of my duty to address my issues. In my opinion sometimes the polemic about her gets way too much and targets her as a person. However, if one considers the damage she might cause with her posts one could call such jokes rather harmless if we weigh the impact of these actions. I had a guilty conscience for not speaking up against some of her behavior. But as I already depicted it there were also a lot of ambivalences.

I am also not sure whether it is better to wait to post this post until the big fuss is over. Or whether if I post it in some weeks it will just fuel the controversy again to later time point. My intent is not to insult her and I will try to spare as much polemic as possible.



FuneralCry is pro-death. And there is no way around that fact. We also don't necessarily need to talk terms because the terms themselves are rather meaningless. But she emphasized that she thinks pro-mortalism is the right thing and well that is just another term for being pro-death. I think it is okay to be pro-mortalism if you know the boundaries. It is okay to have that mindset for your own life (in my opinion). But if you apply that logic to the lives of others it can become delicate. The territory can be quite dangerous. The big problem I have with FuneralCry is the following: there is a discrepancy between the way she thinks about her own suicide and about the suicide of others. If you want to make this point she labels you pro-life. Which sort of shows that such labels get weaponized which is in itself a problem. There are also people defending her if one makes that point. And they argue this implied to encourage her to commit suicide. I certainly don't want to encourage her to commit suicide. I would even recommend to her not to commit suicide and see it as a way of last resort. However, doing this with more arguments would be called pro-life by her because this is the suicide discussion. And this shows how absurd this argument is. To point that out does not encourage her to commit suicide usually. There were some encouragements in this context though and I think I and/or others reported them.

I think logic will not convince her. But I still try it. FC says her SI is too strong to commit suicide, further that there are no safe methods, that the access to lethal and secure methods is way too restricted. And thus she is not able to commit suicide which she otherwise would do. Personally I just have the feeling in the future when many people in this forum have committed suicide she still will be here complaining that suicide is too difficult and that the access has to get easier. It feels wrong. Because the standards for her own life and the lives of others is so different. I also don't take everything she says at face value. She sounds scared about suicide. Me too, I can relate to that. Many things can go wrong. But this applies to (almost) everyone in this forum. We are all sort of scared to mess it up and be in a worse position afterwards if we fail. But the concerns you have about your own life applies also to others. Others also battle with SI. Others also can fail and end up way worse than before. Others are also anxious as fuck. To express you admire people who find the courage to do it feels just wrong. Especially if you have so different standards for your own life. It pretty much feels like projecting your own wish to die on others. It feels like she finds relief in the notion that others commit suicide or die. And that feels very questionable. Others have their own ethical beliefs and that is fine. Others can value (their) life and see suicide as something to avoid as good as possible. One could also argue about her behavior to call her opinions straight facts but I think this is not the main issue with her behavior.


As others pointed out. Her behavior makes us look like a death cult. Especially because the media loves to point at the bad apples of this community. I think it is very positive that FC's behavior gets questioned. But I think many comments are too personal and sort of offensive. Moreover it is absurd to call this website pro-life just because others criticize you.


I will end it here. Not sure when I will post this post. I will wait for the right time point. I think a single thread about one certain member is usually not appreciated. However, the discussion about FC is bigger than anything else about a single member in this forum

 

[4everDone]

Like I don't know if it's dying but it sure feels that way to me especially as lot of the time it doesn't even seem to work these days. But I feel like one of the ways it went downhill is that rather than it being full of suicidal people it seems to be full of bored people desperate for attention, to me it feels like they are begging for attention with how they spam the forum with random things and this just causes all the suffering people's vents to be buried. And yet if you use it to actually vent about your wish to die you just get hated on and insulted for it which is just great, totally makes this place feel like a "safe space", there's so much hypocrisy.

And another way it's went downhill is how now it's a place for deluded pro-lifers to post about how mentally ill all suicidal people are, and it's sad how this place became so pro-life but anyway whatever, those who hate on suicidal people who vent really are so arrogant, I know they only do it just to feel better about themselves, I can tell that some people really love trying to make others feel bad.

Many of us literally want to die we certainly don't want to be lectured by hostile pro-lifers or be given so called "advice" that is just delusional and invalidates suffering, honestly it's just so cringe when they do that. I wish this place only was for those who want to die, bored people and pro-lifers should just go and enjoy their wonderful, precious life and leave those who suffer alone. So yes, this site really did became too mainstream and if often reminds me of how I cannot stand this human species, humans are such a disgusting species and it's tragic how they haven't gone voluntarily extinct yet, in fact it's tragic how life even exists at all, no matter what only non-existence could ever be desirable.

I don't think the forum is dying but rather changing its structure which is a normal thing considering how many people browse it. I believe that everything has to be in moderation and to me it looks way worse when people post a new thread with the same question that's been answered 5 posts ago. Pro-lifers and other assholes have never been a problem for me because it's easy to counter their argument or just ignore. My only problem would be that if they want to talk about getting better or similar stuff - there is a subforum for that and it's called RECOVERY for a reason. Even though I was warned to avoid religious topics if I don't want to participate in them, I will say this one last time just for the record people who post in Suicide Discussion about reincarnation and religious stuff can fck straight off lol

 

[february in alaska]

I try to give you the benefit of the doubt especially considering the forum we're on, I have no issue with you personally or your worldview, but it seriously drives me up the fucking wall whenever you complain about people not being "suicidal enough" to be here

Talking about how there's too many people "desperate for attention" and too many "bored" people here? Really? Are you fucking kidding me?

 

[CuriosityAndCat]

Like I don't know if it's dying but it sure feels that way to me especially as lot of the time it doesn't even seem to work these days. But I feel like one of the ways it went downhill is that rather than it being full of suicidal people it seems to be full of bored people desperate for attention, to me it feels like they are begging for attention with how they spam the forum with random things and this just causes all the suffering people's vents to be buried. And yet if you use it to actually vent about your wish to die you just get hated on and insulted for it which is just great, totally makes this place feel like a "safe space", there's so much hypocrisy.

And another way it's went downhill is how now it's a place for deluded pro-lifers to post about how mentally ill all suicidal people are, and it's sad how this place became so pro-life but anyway whatever, those who hate on suicidal people who vent really are so arrogant, I know they only do it just to feel better about themselves, I can tell that some people really love trying to make others feel bad.

Many of us literally want to die we certainly don't want to be lectured by hostile pro-lifers or be given so called "advice" that is just delusional and invalidates suffering, honestly it's just so cringe when they do that. I wish this place only was for those who want to die, bored people and pro-lifers should just go and enjoy their wonderful, precious life and leave those who suffer alone. So yes, this site really did became too mainstream and if often reminds me of how I cannot stand this human species, humans are such a disgusting species and it's tragic how they haven't gone voluntarily extinct yet, in fact it's tragic how life even exists at all, no matter what only non-existence could ever be desirable.

Being so certain everyone should die and is delusional is a sign of mental illness that might not be depression. I'm not trained to help or diagnose.

It doesn't appear to me that the forums overall tone has changed in the past 3 years. People here generally seem very nice and respectful of each others views and pain.

FuneralCry it's likely your mental health could be worse right now considering that you hate the forum now and feel something changed.

 

[Life_and_Death]

This is a public forum, people should be able to respond to a users posts.

agreed, but in this specific case (as there is an exception to every rule) considering theyre not looking for discussion anyway, wouldnt it be better to lock it and let it get flooded away by other threads instead of talking about it and keeping it here?