To any pro-life lurkers

[willitpass]

if you're here to find reasons to get this place shut down and criminalize or institutionalize us, this one is for you. your energy should go to finding a new treatment for treatment-resistant mental illness. i have severe major depression that has not responded to a single treatment, i have no more options to save me. i have taken every pill under the sun, been in every style of talk therapy available, hospitalized multiple times, had shock therapy, and been in a residential facility for 8 months. there is nothing new for me to try. i am not here without giving life a shot. i am at the end of my rope and nothing is left to pull me back up. use the energy that you are using toiling over the place and find a way to help people like me. my time is up but other people could benefit from it

 

[makethepainstop]

Others always insist on forcing their views on those whose suffering they cannot comprehend. As long as your an adult, you should have control of your life, not some stranger who doesn't even know you. I

 

[akirat9]

you should have control of your life

always

 

[Smart No More]

You make a very good point that (whilst blatant and obvious to us) isn't always clear to onlookers. Many of us would prefer to live but don't have that luxury. We're not here looking to kill ourselves because of some perversion or due to some powerful influence luring us in. We don't want it any more than them. It's just the logical conclusion we've found ourselves at. Were a solution present itself we would embrace it. After significant efforts in finding a solution and reaching dead ends we find ourselves looking for the most amicable way out. We unfortunately can't speak openly about these matters because the world around us isn't ready for that.

If you care for your loved ones do so with open heart and mind and consider that the pain they're in is infinity worse than your imagination limits your mind to conceive. Please understand that the very last act of love you can extend to them is allowing them to leave accepted and understood. Be glad for them and relieve them of the intense guilt they feel in their final act and let them feel relief and calm as they go rather than having their last moments consumed with you and your pain. If your love is truly selfless then this will already be a familiar concept to you.

 

[makethepainstop]

You make a very good point that (whilst blatant and obvious to us) isn't always clear to onlookers. Many of us would prefer to live but don't have that luxury. We're not here looking to kill ourselves because of some perversion or due to some powerful influence luring us in. Were a solution present itself we would embrace it. After significant efforts in finding a solution and reaching dead ends we find ourselves looking for the most amicable way out. We unfortunately can't speak openly about these matters because the world around us isn't ready for that. If you care for your loved ones do so with open heart and mind and consider that the pain they're in is infinity worse than your imagination limits your perceptions to conceive. With that done, understand that the very last act of love you can extend to them is allowing them to leave accepted and understood. Be glad foe them and relieve them of the intense guilt they feel in their final act and let them feel relief and calm as they go rather than having their last moments consumed with you and your pain. If your love is truly selfless then this will already be a familiar concept to you.

Any problem has a solution, although others might not like it.

 

[SarRy]

If someone wants to stop suicide, then they should devote their time to improving the lives of others. If life was better, then death wouldn't be such a relief. If the system treats people as disposable, then there should be no surprise in them disposing of themselves.

 

[akirat9]

then death wouldn't be such a relief.

Yes it still would be

We unfortunately can't speak openly about these matters because the world around us isn't ready for that. If you care for your loved ones

who is 'we' where loved ones. speak for yourself, for the greater good bad.

 

[Mofreeko]

if you're here to find reasons to get this place shut down and criminalize or institutionalize us, this one is for you. your energy should go to finding a new treatment for treatment-resistant mental illness. i have severe major depression that has not responded to a single treatment, i have no more options to save me. i have taken every pill under the sun, been in every style of talk therapy available, hospitalized multiple times, had shock therapy, and been in a residential facility for 8 months. there is nothing new for me to try. i am not here without giving life a shot. i am at the end of my rope and nothing is left to pull me back up. use the energy that you are using toiling over the place and find a way to help people like me. my time is up but other people could benefit from it

No, the right thing to do is to take all your options out of your hands (except ropes, knives, guns and jumping off cliffs of course lol), detain you against your will for 7 days or so and then forget you exist! No need to thank me, the good deed is reward enough.

 

[Shadowlord900]

if you're here to find reasons to get this place shut down and criminalize or institutionalize us, this one is for you. your energy should go to finding a new treatment for treatment-resistant mental illness. i have severe major depression that has not responded to a single treatment, i have no more options to save me. i have taken every pill under the sun, been in every style of talk therapy available, hospitalized multiple times, had shock therapy, and been in a residential facility for 8 months. there is nothing new for me to try. i am not here without giving life a shot. i am at the end of my rope and nothing is left to pull me back up. use the energy that you are using toiling over the place and find a way to help people like me. my time is up but other people could benefit from it

Do you know what happened to give you severe major depression in the first place? I'm under the belief that unless medication or physical treatment can completely rewrite someone's brain (which it can't), it'll never cure you of any negative emotional issues. And even if medication could cure you of depression, if you can't solve what gave you depression in the first place, you'll only get depressed again.

I do agree with your point though, I do wish pro-lifers would make better use of their time and energy. Better to deal with the core root of the problem rather than only the symptoms.

 

[akirat9]

No, the right thing to do is to take all your options out of your hands

and what to you believe that will do, not make me more? i know what they want to hear to get out and try again and again until my body cant take the damage anymore and dies out

 

[Smart No More]

Yes it still would be

who is 'we' where loved ones. speak for yourself, for the greater good bad.

It appears you misunderstood me!

 

[Lonerzepam]

Have you considered other unusual treatments like MDMA or Ketamin?

 

[Smart No More]

Have you considered other unusual treatments like MDMA or Ketamin?

I was thinking this too. I would have added psilocybin to the list of potential treatments. It seems like they've done a lot of treatment and exhausted their options so I didn't mention it but I probably should have.

 

[eldiablo666]

I was thinking this too. I would have added psilocybin to the list of potential treatments. It seems like they've done a lot of treatment and exhausted their options so I didn't mention it but I probably should have.

DMT as well.

Maybe ketamine infusion too?

Last but not least ….Neuralink?

 

[willitpass]

Do you know what happened to give you severe major depression in the first place? I'm under the belief that unless medication or physical treatment can completely rewrite someone's brain (which it can't), it'll never cure you of any negative emotional issues. And even if medication could cure you of depression, if you can't solve what gave you depression in the first place, you'll only get depressed again.

I do agree with your point though, I do wish pro-lifers would make better use of their time and energy. Better to deal with the core root of the problem rather than only the symptoms.

as i said, i've been in every type of talk therapy available to me. i've been in regular old once a week therapy, intensive outpatient, group, cognitive behavioral methods, dialectical behavioral methods, five days a week programs. you name it i've tried it

 

[FuneralCry]

Those pro lifers just want to force people to suffer, they don't care about suicidal people because if they did they would focus more on many of the things that make people suicidal in the first place, but the problem is that they live under this delusion that all suicidal people are irrational. Those people don't want to accept the fact that life can get that awful for many people and I also just think that it's a lack of understanding as to how others experience life.

But it would be different if something happened to make the pro lifers suicidal, and then they would want to leave this life behind. Maybe this would make them respect the right to die. But of course trying to remove method information won't solve anything, instead it would just make people feel more trapped and like they have no choice but to resort to more risky methods.

 

[SadJessu]

I've been here a while. I lurk 90% of the time and probably will for many more years, as I have obligations that keep me from CTB (husband, cats, kids). In regards to others I suppose I could say I'm pro life…? Pro life in the sense that I don't want anyone to die, it's a very sad thing to me, that life can be so cruel people have no other way out. Every goodbye thread I see hits very hard. So no, I don't want anyone to CTB, but I also understand and respect individuals decisions. I have attempted to help others find solutions to issues, rather than encouraging them to end it, but ultimately it is a deeply personal decision. It's not right for me, or anyone else to tell another person how to deal with their pain. Ultimately I wish others peace.

 

[lifeisadream]

Personally, I can't understand a pro lifer viewpoint & believe they have no right to thrust their opinions on a suicidal person. Mental & physical pain is very real. Ultimately each individual should have the right to choose to die as their situation is unique to them as is their pain & suffering. No one should have to endure a lifetime of torture or be trapped inside a life because others tell them they should continue living. I really don't feel anyone should have their right to die taken away from them. Perhaps if a pro lifer lived a month in our shoes they'd fall off their soap box & be begging for an SN source themselves. It's the pro lifers who are taking away available methods & making it increasingly difficult to ctb. They also feel the need to try to shut down forums like this. Forums which bring comfort to so many people who do not have a voice out there in the real world.

 

[KlMeNw]

if you're here to find reasons to get this place shut down and criminalize or institutionalize us, this one is for you. your energy should go to finding a new treatment for treatment-resistant mental illness. i have severe major depression that has not responded to a single treatment, i have no more options to save me. i have taken every pill under the sun, been in every style of talk therapy available, hospitalized multiple times, had shock therapy, and been in a residential facility for 8 months. there is nothing new for me to try. i am not here without giving life a shot. i am at the end of my rope and nothing is left to pull me back up. use the energy that you are using toiling over the place and find a way to help people like me. my time is up but other people could benefit from it

I was like you, having tried everything for my TRD. Nothing even made a dent until I tried Ketamine. It took a year of nasal Ketamine treatments to make a dent but it helped significantly. Now I do the treatment once a week, take Bupropion (Wellbutrin), and take some nootropic supplements like Sulpheraphane and Omega-3 and I keep improving slowly but surely. I wonder if Ketamine could help you too.

 

[willitpass]

I was like you, having tried everything for my TRD. Nothing even made a dent until I tried Ketamine. It took a year of nasal Ketamine treatments to make a dent but it helped significantly. Now I do the treatment once a week, take Bupropion (Wellbutrin), and take some nootropic supplements like Sulpheraphane and Omega-3 and I keep improving slowly but surely. I wonder if Ketamine could help you too.

that's good to know. i don't have access to any ketamine or psychedelic trials near me, and to be honest if i did i'm too tired to continue anymore. but hopefully they will become more and more available over time

 

[Lonerzepam]

I've been here a while. I lurk 90% of the time and probably will for many more years, as I have obligations that keep me from CTB (husband, cats, kids). In regards to others I suppose I could say I'm pro life…? Pro life in the sense that I don't want anyone to die, it's a very sad thing to me, that life can be so cruel people have no other way out. Every goodbye thread I see hits very hard. So no, I don't want anyone to CTB, but I also understand and respect individuals decisions. I have attempted to help others find solutions to issues, rather than encouraging them to end it, but ultimately it is a deeply personal decision. It's not right for me, or anyone else to tell another person how to deal with their pain. Ultimately I wish others peace.

You couldn't have said that better ^^

 

[willitpass]

I've been here a while. I lurk 90% of the time and probably will for many more years, as I have obligations that keep me from CTB (husband, cats, kids). In regards to others I suppose I could say I'm pro life…? Pro life in the sense that I don't want anyone to die, it's a very sad thing to me, that life can be so cruel people have no other way out. Every goodbye thread I see hits very hard. So no, I don't want anyone to CTB, but I also understand and respect individuals decisions. I have attempted to help others find solutions to issues, rather than encouraging them to end it, but ultimately it is a deeply personal decision. It's not right for me, or anyone else to tell another person how to deal with their pain. Ultimately I wish others peace.

i don't want anyone to ctb either. i understand the impact it has on those left behind and i don't think that anyone should reach for death unless they have tried to improve things first. but i think the way the people trying to shut this site down are using the very wrong approach. we don't need this place to disappear, we need more ways to help people

 

[y0dha]

pro lifers don't give a shit about us, all they want is get the reward feeling of being a "hero" that has "saved" someone from suicide or they just want to avoid with every means to get the bad feeling from someone dying. That's all.
In reality they are just egoist pretending to be selfless.

 

[KlMeNw]

that's good to know. i don't have access to any ketamine or psychedelic trials near me, and to be honest if i did i'm too tired to continue anymore. but hopefully they will become more and more available over time

Well, I understand psychedelics are illegal in most countries, however Ketamine in the form of a nasal spray called Esketamine is not only legal in many countries including the US, but it is FDA approved for TRD and therefore covered by many insurance plans including medicare.

 

[willitpass]

Well, I understand psychedelics are illegal in most countries, however Ketamine in the form of a nasal spray called Esketamine is not only legal in many countries including the US, but it is FDA approved for TRD and therefore covered by many insurance plans including medicare.

yeah i know, there are just no medical practices near me that are currently offering psychedelic treatments

 

[akirat9]

pro lifers don't give a shit about us, all they want is get the reward feeling of being a "hero" that has "saved" someone from suicide or they just want to avoid with every means to get the bad feeling from someone dying. That's all.
In reality they are just egoist pretending to be selfless.

they would allowed me to die because of my resolve