To All The "Pro-Life" Lurkers

[TydalWave]

I don't know if it's just me. Or if other's are experiencing similar messages, threads, chats, etc. They have escalated for me lately so here is my response.

I don't think its fair to pick and choose which of us are rightful in our decisions to be here.

We are ALL right in our decision to be here, regardless of the reason we found ourselves here. If we came here for help, its available. If we came here for support, it's the most empathetic community I have ever found on the internet. If we came here for guidance to end our suffering, then that too needs to be understood in its own context.

For any pro-lifer's or people on the edge out there, I ask you this. How can you compare someone terminally ill, to someone cronically in pain, to someone so mentally in pain or even someone who idealistically just doesn't want to be here in the first place. How do you pick and choose which of these people is right in their decision to leave. Is it the value they bring to the community, or the potential you think they have in life?? Or the state of mind that you believe they are in when they are here?

I am genuinely curious how you pick and choose what is right for people to die? In my opinion the right is always on behalf of the individual. The one thing that most of us have in common on this forum is that we have all suffered in some degree. And from the time I have spent here, I have learned that there are so many different ways people suffer. But there is such common ground in what we feel. And how we support each other and grow from one other and ULTIMATELY support one's decision for their own body and life.

We are all here for the same reason. We are in pain. And it takes a certain amount of pain to consider a decision like this and an incredible amount of pain to overcome SI. If someone's pain is that severe that they are here in the first place, it is not our role to tell them it's not valid.

If you are here lurking and pro-life or on the fence. I just want you to know this. I have received more help and benefit from the damaged and vulnerable people who truly understand my situation than I will ever receive from you. You cannot convince someone their life is worth living when you don't understand their suffering. But we can learn from others who have suffered and are here to speak of it.

Luckily, the vast majority of us on here are of the supportive variety. I love you all, and if you don't agree with me please speak up. I do not intend speak on behalf of everyone. But personally this site has been a safe-haven for me, and I want to protect the value it serves to myself and what I presume it serves to others.

 

[Jadzia]

I don't know if it's just me. Or if other's are experiencing similar messages, threads, chats, etc. They have escalated for me lately so here is my response.

I don't think its fair to pick and choose which of us are rightful in our decisions to be here.

We are ALL right in our decision to be here, regardless of the reason we found ourselves here. If we came here for help, its available. If we came here for support, it's the most empathetic community I have ever found on the internet. If we came here for guidance to end our suffering, then that too needs to be understood in its own context.

For any pro-lifer's or people on the edge out there, I ask you this. How can you compare someone terminally ill, to someone cronically in pain, to someone so mentally in pain or even someone who idealistically just doesn't want to be here in the first place. How do you pick and choose which of these people is right in their decision to leave. Is it the value they bring to the community, or the potential you think they have in life?? Or the state of mind that you believe they are in when they are here?

I am genuinely curious how you pick and choose what is right for people to die? In my opinion the right is always on behalf of the individual. The one thing that most of us have in common on this forum is that we have all suffered in some degree. And from the time I have spent here, I have learned that there are so many different ways people suffer. But there is such common ground in what we feel. And how we support each other and grow from one other and ULTIMATELY support one's decision for their own body and life.

We are all here for the same reason. We are in pain. And it takes a certain amount of pain to consider a decision like this and an incredible amount of pain to overcome SI. If someone's pain is that severe that they are here in the first place, it is not our role to tell them it's not valid.

If you are here lurking and pro-life or on the fence. I just want you to know this. I have received more help and benefit from the damaged and vulnerable people who truly understand my situation than I will ever receive from you. You cannot convince someone their life is worth living when you don't understand their suffering. But we can learn from others who have suffered and are here to speak of it.

Luckily, the vast majority of us on here are of the supportive variety. I love you all, and if you don't agree with me please speak up. I do not intend speak on behalf of everyone. But personally this site has been a safe-haven for me, and I want to protect the value it serves to myself and what I presume it serves to others.

I agree

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I don't know if it's just me. Or if other's are experiencing similar messages, threads, chats, etc. They have escalated for me lately so here is my response.

I don't think its fair to pick and choose which of us are rightful in our decisions to be here.

We are ALL right in our decision to be here, regardless of the reason we found ourselves here. If we came here for help, its available. If we came here for support, it's the most empathetic community I have ever found on the internet. If we came here for guidance to end our suffering, then that too needs to be understood in its own context.

For any pro-lifer's or people on the edge out there, I ask you this. How can you compare someone terminally ill, to someone cronically in pain, to someone so mentally in pain or even someone who idealistically just doesn't want to be here in the first place. How do you pick and choose which of these people is right in their decision to leave. Is it the value they bring to the community, or the potential you think they have in life?? Or the state of mind that you believe they are in when they are here?

I am genuinely curious how you pick and choose what is right for people to die? In my opinion the right is always on behalf of the individual. The one thing that most of us have in common on this forum is that we have all suffered in some degree. And from the time I have spent here, I have learned that there are so many different ways people suffer. But there is such common ground in what we feel. And how we support each other and grow from one other and ULTIMATELY support one's decision for their own body and life.

We are all here for the same reason. We are in pain. And it takes a certain amount of pain to consider a decision like this and an incredible amount of pain to overcome SI. If someone's pain is that severe that they are here in the first place, it is not our role to tell them it's not valid.

If you are here lurking and pro-life or on the fence. I just want you to know this. I have received more help and benefit from the damaged and vulnerable people who truly understand my situation than I will ever receive from you. You cannot convince someone their life is worth living when you don't understand their suffering. But we can learn from others who have suffered and are here to speak of it.

Luckily, the vast majority of us on here are of the supportive variety. I love you all, and if you don't agree with me please speak up. I do not intend speak on behalf of everyone. But personally this site has been a safe-haven for me, and I want to protect the value it serves to myself and what I presume it serves to others.

Well said!

 

[SamTam33]

With the questions you posed, you're asking them to think critically and I don't believe it's something they know how to do.

To me pro-lifers, or whatever they want to be called, are no different than religious zealots.

Being alive is their religion. Working, paying bills and slugging their way through hardships is part of their Commandments. Oxygen is their deity.

Every single day I come across a post where someone is legitimately struggling with the choice to commit suicide. How often do you see pro-lifers struggling with their position?

And it's not because the pro-lifers position is the right one. It's because they are mentally incapable of pushing their brains beyond what they already believe.

None of us are up in here saying, "C'mon dude, you have to die," or "Please die no matter what. "

But they have no problems saying, "Please live no matter what."

 

[TydalWave]

None of us are up in here saying, "C'mon dude, you have to die," or "Please die no matter what. "

But they have no problems saying, "Please live no matter what."

Yes. The irony to me is that it has the opposite impact.

For someone struggling with depression, to be told that you will be missed, and that you have personally impacted them in some way is incredibly impactful.

On the other hand, the prolifers saying you need to speak to someone or are not right in your decision is incredibly demeaning and devalidates our experiences that have lead us here in the first place. It makes us feel like we don't belong in society because it increases the divide between ourselves and others.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

At least one account was swiftly banned. Like trying to promote vegetarianism to a pack of lions. Read the fookin' room.

 

[UtopianElephant]

Very well written. Thank you!

 

[LookingOverTheEdge]

I think that for some people with the pro life mindset, it is just an excuse for a bit of virtue signalling, which is disgusting. But I do believe that there are those whose intentions are noble enough.
Thing is, if you've not lived in the mindset most of us in this forum share, I don't think you could ever truly understand it. So the opposite viewpoints of this issue can never find a common ground or meet in the middle. We're just too alien to each other.
Try not to judge them too harshly. I think mostly they mean well enough. They just can't comprehend what it's like to feel this way. And honestly, good for them. I wish none of us had to.

 

[FuneralCry]

Those pro life people are certainly delusional, I mean someone must be in order to be pro life in the first place and see suicide as being worse than suffering. Nobody else has any right to say that suicide is not valid for someone else, they are not experiencing that persons life and they simply cannot see life the same way. Those who wish to gatekeep suicide and decide whose reasons for ctb are valid or not, really irritate me. Suicide doesn't even need a reason at all in the first place anyway, it's a personal decision when to leave this world.

The truth is that there is nothing wrong with leaving this world at a time of our own choosing, what could ever be so valuable about life to justify forcing people to stay here in a life that they never asked for against their wishes. After all we only exist just to die anyway and continuing to exist is just delaying the inevitable. But it would be different if something happened to make those types of people suicidal and then they would want a peaceful method.

 

[Ligottian]

I wonder if any pro-lifer has ever written a post threatening suicides with hellfire.

 

[CTB Dream]

Ya this prolif nobgood this awful say, tell here examp see me vege all ignore say life ok what ok this nonsense all damage this prove life wrong was thing be thing all lose, prolife ignore all species program natal no think keep species same virus,now stuck all species do. Formu help thank