This site "kills" people

[BlockedintheUK]

The UK Government and other short sighted agencies say that this site kills people. For arguments sake lets say thats true.

Does the site save more people than it "kills" if so then would that not be a net positive? Or shall we just ignore all the saved / recovered people as that is rather inconvinient to the narrative isnt it? Let's just pretend that bit didnt happen.

Perhaps they would argue that this site could "save" people without "killing" others. However that misses the point that the whole reason people come here is so they can talk with true anonmity and privacy without being snitched on and the police knocking down your door for "safeguarding" (otherwise known as the pro life KGB) because nothing makes you feel better than an unexpected visit from the KGB.

I've been snitched on and threatened to be snitched on unless I started giving the "correct" answers. It's insanity really. They cover up their negligence and incompetence by breaching confidentuality in the name of safeguarding. In other words transfer the problem to someone else to make yourself look good / transfer the problem elsewhere.

 

[U. A.]

The UK Government and other short sighted agencies

Except they aren't short-sighted at all. They're pandering to their constituencies, and it does an excellent job.

 

[itsgone2]

It's not like healthy people come across this site then decide to ctb. Obviously life happens first. Any investigation into why we're here in the first place? No. Blame the community. Ridiculous

 

[whocaresnobodycares]

I wish it killed me.
Alas, it merely informs me.
Maybe I need a bathtub to drop this laptop into, plugged in, so it can kill me.
Not sure that would work.

 

[InevitableDeath]

UK government kills a hell of a lot more people than this site does(n't).

They should be looking at their poverty deaths, or the genocide they're enabling, or the hunger strikers they're starving, or the deaths of despair caused by their family courts, or people being stalked, harassed and abused.

Fucking politicians are a disgrace.

 

[BlockedintheUK]

Except they aren't short-sighted at all. They're pandering to their constituencies, and it does an excellent job.

Interesting point

 

[Baisley]

I've been on here for quite some time. If this site kills people, why am I still here?

 

[Arb]

Whatever fits their narrative and illicits the strongest emotions in the general public, its about control and power, its never been about doing the right thing; only appearing to be.

They're using us to set a precedence, today its the suicide discussion forums, tomorrow its your community's (insert oppressed group here) support groups.

 

[linnea56]

Actually this site saves people from suffering more.
In my opinion keeping people alive that obviously do not want to has nothing to do with saving people.
Wealth can not exist without poverty. Without people doing shitty jobs for shitty wages. Paying taxes and consuming products. They just do not want the system to collapse.
What other reason should justify making it so hard to die peacefully ?
I can not think of any.

 

[mjolnir]

Biopolitics does not respond to suffering; it responds to the threat of failure in the social machinery that the body sustains.
The focus is on preventing the act, not on questioning the conditions that make life unsustainable.
Addressing suicide should not be a "moral patch" but a structural issue where the search for a habitable life considers the overall context more than the final act itself.
They interrupt the gesture, but refuse to face what produced it.

 

[BPDvic]

No one is killing no one. leave us live whatever left of our days here in peace

 

[persepexa]

I wish it killed people. Honestly if there were a site I could just pay money and they would kill me I'd sign up in a heartbeat. Most of the people I see on this site can't even find the resources they need. Everyone is speak to is no closer to CTB than I am.

 

[BlockedintheUK]

I've been on here for quite some time. If this site kills people, why am I still here?

There are a lot of people to get through. Eventually when its your turn one of the admins will break into your house at night and suffocate you with a pillow.

I wish it killed people. Honestly if there were a site I could just pay money and they would kill me I'd sign up in a heartbeat. Most of the people I see on this site can't even find the resources they need. Everyone is speak to is no closer to CTB than I am.

That reminds me of a depressed celebrity that paid a hitman to kill her so her family wouldnt know it was suicide. Fasinating.

 

[Dinorun]

I think ai that was trained on this site could have saved way more people then the generic if you are distressed call xxxx response that ai and the internet so love to give

 

[Captive_Mind515]

If this site is so full of predators, trying to kill us... have they just been ignoring some users here for years?

If it's the people running the site, for example, then why have I had almost zero contact with mod/admin since joining? They're really taking their sweet time trying to off me... ... maybe it's some sort of subliminal messaging they send out into the forum and I'm just impervious to it?

 

[LetMeOut67]

Are they jealous they're not doing the killing ?
They don't give a shit about us they just want to to make it look like they do.
They can't have failed to notice that there is a recovery subcategory here.

 

[telekon]

Upon first glance, I thought this at one point. Now that I've been here a while and browsed a lot of other suicide forums, I see that other suicide forums don't have even half the knowledge base of risk factors involved when trying to commit suicide. This site has been a safety net for a lot of people to avoid non-methods leading to less injuries and more likelihood that a person might actually be able to get better. It also gives people a place to vent and feel heard, so for these reasons I would argue that it not only doesn't kill people, it saves people.

Suicidal people can be very impulsive and those kinds of suicides are the ones that should be stopped. People who are going to kill themselves often don't think very hard about it, and they are going to kill themselves anyways. This website doesn't "increase suicides," it gives the people who are already going to do it a place to gain information about the subject. I think it's a necessary resource.

 

[LetMeOut67]

They'd rather we come here than throw ourselves in front of trains for example.
The mental health epidemic will only get much worse and they'll probably be forced to legalise voluntary assisted euthanasia eventually.

 

[Unsure and Useless]

Does the site save more people than it "kills" if so then would that not be a net positive?

Anti-choice morons are selectively blind, deaf, and intelligent. They only acknowledge anything when it suits them and ignore everything else. It's classic cherry picking. That's why they all so conveniently forget to include the fact that there's an entire recovery page on site, which is frequented by several users, as well as several threads in the CTB Discussion forum on resources where one could get help

I've accepted the fact that we're all just walking ATMs for these out of touch politicians and greedy billionaires. Think Kaneshiro's Palace from Persona 5. They don't give a damn about our well-beings, but they want to keep profiting off of us as we run ourselves into the ground, hence why they're all so against the notion of people doing what they want with their own bodies while simultaneously refusing to fix the problems that lead to us being this way

At this point, I'm starting to believe that they'll only listen to our plight if enough of us die

 

[BlockedintheUK]

Whatever fits their narrative and illicits the strongest emotions in the general public, its about control and power, its never been about doing the right thing; only appearing to be.

They're using us to set a precedence, today its the suicide discussion forums, tomorrow its your community's (insert oppressed group here) support groups.

Kind of like you're done when we say you're done?

Actually this site saves people from suffering more.
In my opinion keeping people alive that obviously do not want to has nothing to do with saving people.
Wealth can not exist without poverty. Without people doing shitty jobs for shitty wages. Paying taxes and consuming products. They just do not want the system to collapse.
What other reason should justify making it so hard to die peacefully ?
I can not think of any.

Is that right? Are enough people suicidal that were it "allowed" the system would collapse? I'm not sure thats right.

I think ai that was trained on this site could have saved way more people then the generic if you are distressed call xxxx response that ai and the internet so love to give

Dude I contacted one of those crisis numbers such bland boring generic nonsense messages. AI is 1ooox better already without this site as training.

All the crisis people did was track me via my phone and send the goon quad to kick their way into my house even though I told them I was ok and there was no need to send anyone and I also called the police and told them I was ok and they assured me they wouldnt come but did anyway. Luckily I was able to stop them kicking the door in.

 

[madameviolette]

Why are UK authorities so obsessed with this site ?

In almost every other countries they don't care

 

[BlockedintheUK]

Why are UK authorities so obsessed with this site ?

In almost every other countries they don't care

Are you sure the USA seems to be quite rattled.

The UK authrotities ran out of useful stuff to do a long time ago

 

[Dejected 55]

Any argument that ends with "this site kills people" because it has open discussion by people who want to commit suicide... must also fully acknowledge then that society and governments kill people too... because they literally are killing people by fostering a world where many people cannot cope and have nowhere to turn for genuine help and care. IF this site is killing people... then greater society is guilty of a massacre.

 

[Himeasa]

Tantacrul and other ideologues pose as a foregone conclusion the presumption that the fullest exercise of one's bodily autonomy and right to live—choosing to CTB—is a moral failure and something to be avoided at all costs, even if the person in question expressively and consistently desires to CTB. If you would wish to CTB, you must be brainwashed until you do not, and you must be made to live with your life however bad it might be.

The application of mental health crisis and indigency upon desiring CTB are unfalsifiable nonsense engineered to deny bodily autonomy if a particular exercise of that bodily autonomy is considered illegitimate or unpalatable to authorities.

 

[linnea56]

Is that right? Are enough people suicidal that were it "allowed" the system would collapse? I'm not sure thats right.

I was thinking about it for quite some time.
I can be wrong but the number of people actually commiting suicide are probably just a little percentage of people that suffer from suicidal thoughts. what would happen if suicide would be cheap, easy to access and save ? The numbers of suicide would definitly go up. Then on top you have the werther effect.
And what about the people that gonna lose their relatives or friends to the new save way of suicide ?
Of course not everyone is suicidal. But many are. And in this world I doubt the numbers will go down.

 

[Reishi]

This sight doesn't kill people ... it informs people and that's what scares them.

 

[RosebyAnyName]

Man that's so sad. If only there was some way to make most of these people not want to kill themselves in the first place. Maybe it could even be something that the government has the power to correct. Hmmm.... oh well!