This site being mentioned in a coroner's report.

[g0921]

The irony is that, article of this report is what brought me here today.

Thanks a lot, pro-lifers :D

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Fyi: My response to your insight became so lengthy I decided to create a separate thread for it here in a minute. But just to help get things started…


Yes, and their "help" system has Failed with HUGE amounts of people trying all their formulas of nonsense, then if after years of giving their system a fair and genuine chance, and the person is still depressed, anxious, etc they have the AUDACITY to rudely BLAME the VICTIM of not getting 'better' and tell them 'well you should just try again/ work even harder' at getting 'better'.

The whole time these brainwashed people who cannot face truth and reality, are so UNREALISTIC that they continue to blame the VICTIM for having a NORMAL REACTION to a TOXIC ENVIRONMENT & BRUTAL SOCIETY that puts nearly continuous pressure on so many people, not only with never-ending financial issues & sky rocketing rents, but also exponentially increasing VIOLENCE, bullying by coworkers, shocking levels of absolute rudeness & selfishness, people utterly disrespectful of your minimum safety on the roads more than ever before, people being used & abandoned, children being kidnapped by the ever increasing rise of child molestors /sexual assaults that permanently traumatize both adults & children... with a constantly UNPREDICTABLE ENVIRONMENT for most people, every time they step outside their front door.

Especially in the USA, the levels of cruelty in so many survival areas of life are more out of control than ever. Too many people have become either so traumatized or so aggressive that many just finally snap and either lash out exploding or begin to fall apart into severe depression and isolation out of NATURAL DESIGN... which is NOT a "MENTAL DISORDER".

With very few exceptions (like organic brain schizophrenia with hallucinations) do most people who are just receiving a LABEL put on their REACTION to these UNNATURAL and EXHAUSTING CIRCUMSTANCES, with all levels of abuse by both individuals and society, actually have a so-called 'mental problem'. One of my university degrees that I got early on with psychology, and while at first I partially bought into their ideology, as I learned more I realized just how subject of their psychology science is, their fluctuating definitions of what a disorder is become outrageously ridiculous.

For example, if you don't believe in their system, that itself is supposedly a 'disorder' too. (*eyes rolling*) This is a system made up by humans who decided what is 'normal' and most of them make good money off of it. Some decent people are in that field, but there are so many that just are in it for easy money, telling people to journal and do you deep breathing exercises and take these trucks that alter your brain chemistry. It's like an experiment with synthetic chemicals but they call it "medical care" or "medication".

When the person, including myself over the years, tries all different sorts of pills, but they called medicine, it does all sorts of damaging things over time to the liver, kidneys, and often the brain itself. they are told that this is a potential solution to your disorder, to take a pill made by humans, and dad they can just keep trying different medications to see how each one works but maybe this one will work better, etc. I've taken all different kinds of meds over the years and, sure some of them would help me just relax, like amitriptyline or Valium, but then it would also tell the brain to stop making it so natural supply which creates withdrawals, because It's not natural. It temporarily provides some relief, but at a cost to your health & brain chemistry over time.

You're much better off taking only natural neurotransmitters like GABA, or others like magnesium, melatonin, and while they may not be as sedating, they're at least safer. there was a lady I met a few years ago that suffered with depression, and went to a natural path who basically gave her an injection IV of power for B vitamin, and within a week she started feeling much better because everything was so out of balance and depleted. Our foods have tons of sugar, which the body doesn't understand and isn't able to process well, combined with a traumatizing environment & unnatural pressures.

Like with PTSD, which i and many on here have, these shrinks and naive people who blindly believe/accept this is dangerous idea of LABELING NATURAL REACTIONS, you're told that you just have a 'mental disorder' when in fact that's equivalent in reality to them telling you that your reflex in your knee is a disorder, or when you sneeze as your body is trying to get out test or a virus that it's a disorder, all of these natural reactions that we were born with somehow become a so-called disorder that they need to 'treat'. What they really need to treat is this damn horrifyingly cruel environment, nearly impossible financial system with credit scores bullsh*t that harm innocent people struggling with low pay, and the violent scum that attacks people.

Have their always being these types of people? Of course there has, But the problem now is that giant percentages of the population around us are constantly unpredictable, many other people are being victimized more than ever on MULTIPLE LEVELS, and then society is told the insulting line "that's just the way it is"... Well, the 'way it is' is slowly torturing us!!

these psychology people and the naïve people that are brainwashed completely by them, act like if you're not perfectly happy then you must have a disorder. They never take in consideration what you have experienced that is different from what they have experienced, maybe you don't have a supportive family, or maybe you are a victim of abuse and domestic violence, or that your financial reality is different than theirs, so when you have REACTIONS to TRAUMATIC EVENTS, but they don't have a similar experience, they treat you like you need help, or 'why don't you just go get counseling'?

For me and it seems so many on here, it's like, yes I've already gotten counseling! or this is WITH/AFTER counseling, and it DOES NOT WORK or HELP. The VICTIM is NOT the PROBLEM, the DAMAGING ENVIRONMENT is the PROBLEM.

FIX the ENVIRONMENT and people won't have all of this depression and anxiety, in the first place. Stop allowing people to abuse their children and their significant other. Instead of blaming the victim. Hell, if anything, it's the ABUSERS who should get freaking 'counseling' if anyone does.

I was always the skeptic in my first undergraduate (psychology) degree, and remember my professors sometimes making comments like you shouldn't question the system of 'care' already established, or why are you always questioning the legitimacy of the DSM book of disorders? I started reading even more then class assignments, studying more, researching more. I pretty much got straight A's in all of my psychology classes, but I started to see through the veil of illusion very early on. I still tried counseling, medications, and truly gave the most genuine effort, but it still did not 'cure' me or all of the other people/patients/customers whatever you want to call them. whatever you do, unless you're having physical hallucinations, please don't let these other humans that created a system called psychology that makes you feel bad about yourself.

Please don't let their labels thrown on you to make you doubt yourself, or to tell yourself that there's just 'something wrong with you'. They are not 'experts' any more than the 'doctors' in the 1800's did Blood-Letting (lancing you then bleeding out) to 'cure' people according to their faulty BELIEF that it would 'help'. (many died instead from their 'medical treatment) Wow.

Chances are in all likelihood, you don't even have a so-called disorder, you're EXPERIENCING NATURE'S DESIGN under stress, natural reactions under huge amount of pressure... which is NOT "MENTAL".

EMOTIONS are designed by nature, emotions/feelings are what we are BORN WITH ... they tell us something is wrong in our environment and/or the abusive person around us is not safe to be around.

Please step back pro-lifers, and actually make a REAL EFFORT to STOP, THINK, and MOST IMPORTANTLY... LISTEN TO US.

The same theme i have noticed in probably around 90% of people on here have similar undertones of "i cannot do this anymore" or "we cannot survive this level of cruelty/stress"... that's NOT a 'mental problem' AT ALL!! It's a CLEAR SYMPTOM of INTOLERABLE LEVELS of STRESS CREATED by TOXIC & DAMAGING circumstances!

People cannot just keep living with a never-ending pressures on top of previous damage with almost no support, no relief, no escape without the nervous system breaking down.

It's like Driving a car when it's engine has become depleted of oil and finally just breaks down, without what it needs it cannot run properly. But there's not something inherently defective with the car, it just was not treated properly. Deprive people of their basic needs of feeling safe, relaxed, and valued/respected, and watch them either fall apart or explode from the pressure.

People NEED to be more decent and kind to each other, people NEED to feel generally safe, people NEED to know they won't become homeless in terrifying situations just because of unexpected job loss, people NEED their own government they pay taxes to actually be there in return in a financial emergency, people NEED real friends and loving spouses they can trust. ALL of these NEEDS are NOT "MENTAL DISORDERS" my friends... and please be kinder to yourself knowing there isn't something 'wrong' with you if/when you react to the Loss or deprivation of any of these basic needs being met. Your tears, your rage, your panic, your exhaustion, your suffering is YOUR NATURAL RIGHT expressing that this life is hurting you and YOU DESERVE BETTER...

WE DESERVE BETTER.

Couldn't agree more. If I wasn't depressed with the situation I'm in there would be something wrong with me. Giving a natural response a mental health label belittles the individual.

 

[marcusuk63]

Wow, I guess I didn't look hard enough lol. It's not gotten any attention from social media so it will fizzle out at least.

"Time to act against sites that told my Callie to take her life"

I have been on this site a while and i have not seen anyone encourage anyone to take their life .

"Figures from the charity also show that of the 5,900 suicides a year"

Maybe they should spend more effort into why so many people want to die rather than playing the blame game .

Molly's father Ian Russell, 56, a former BBC producer, who has set up the Molly Rose Foundation to raise awareness of harmful online content

I wonder how many victims of the BBC committed suicide while he turned a blind eye to what was going on at the BBC ?

 

[ManWithNoName]

How did the coroner find out that the deceased had been at this site?

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

Pro-syicide??

 

[Defenestrator]

How did the coroner find out that the deceased had been at this site?

This was after the inquest - which is an investigation into events that lead to someone's death. They obviously found it in her browsing history.

 

[Starrywaters]

I think what's telling is that the report acknowledges that there were failings in the care she received which contribute directly to her ability TO carry out her plans.

People who are not actively considering suicide do not come to this website, see it and then suddenly think.. wow that sounds like a great idea. This is a neutral resource zone. If anything I see support led posts of offering help, a friendly ear or a sympathetic words here not pro suicide content.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

I think what's telling is that the report acknowledges that there were failings in the care she received which contribute directly to her ability TO carry out her plans.

People who are not actively considering suicide do not come to this website, see it and then suddenly think.. wow that sounds like a great idea. This is a neutral resource zone. If anything I see support led posts of offering help, a friendly ear or a sympathetic words here not pro suicide content.

I think morally you are right. But the science is out there about suicide. Any open discussion about it raises suicide rates. The more detailed and "positive", the higher the likelihood for someone to attempt to take their own life; that's why they don't report on suicide much, why they use non descriptive language, why they always include a positive message and why they never ever discuss methods etc ...

I would guess that being active on this forum raises suicide risk; and because of the detailed discussion of methodology it also increases success rates drastically.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I think morally you are right. But the science is out there about suicide. Any open discussion about it raises suicide rates. The more detailed and "positive", the higher the likelihood for someone to attempt to take their own life; that's why they don't report on suicide much, why they use non descriptive language, why they always include a positive message and why they never ever discuss methods etc ...

I would guess that being active on this forum raises suicide risk; and because of the detailed discussion of methodology it also increases success rates drastically.

That's the unfortunate truth and why I have conflicted feelings.

 

[Defenestrator]

It's hard to hold on to the ledge, doesn't help having people egg you on when you're already teetering. It's important to remain pro-choice but also offer someone a lifeline when they're feeling doubt in their choices. Ultimately, the preferable outcome is for someone to be certain regardless of what they choose and have it be their choice.

 

[Jean4]

It's hard to hold on to the ledge, doesn't help having people egg you on when you're already teetering. It's important to remain pro-choice but also offer someone a lifeline when they're feeling doubt in their choices. Ultimately, the preferable outcome is for someone to be certain regardless of what they choose and have it be their choice.

I was on the ledge today. I am a impulsive CTBer. The same thing happened today which made me try to CTB in the past. I came here and started screaming somebody talk to me and HELP. Nobody tried to push me, and I was talked off.

We are always here if you get to that point to talk you down. One of the good things about the board. There is a big difference between it's time, and the person has 100 percent made up their mind, and someone in my situation screaming help.

 

[Starrywaters]

I think morally you are right. But the science is out there about suicide. Any open discussion about it raises suicide rates. The more detailed and "positive", the higher the likelihood for someone to attempt to take their own life; that's why they don't report on suicide much, why they use non descriptive language, why they always include a positive message and why they never ever discuss methods etc ...

I would guess that being active on this forum raises suicide risk; and because of the detailed discussion of methodology it also increases success rates drastically.

I supposed arguably you are right, before I came across this site I didn't know a lot of these methods and so in some way its made me far more aware of the 'better' ways of doing things should I decide to.

 

[omoidarui]

on a personal level, the coroner probably believes in our cause but on a professional level they have to damn this site in accordance with procedure

think abt it coroners are intelligent scholarly people whereas pro-lifers are all degenerates so the only way i can envisage a person of intelligence opposing a pro-choice movement is if they are paid to, or if they're just lying through their teeth to suit others (see: Chip Bieber).

only morons wouldnt understand the my body my choice thing ! coroners aint morons just cogs of a moronic system

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Fyi: My response to your insight became so lengthy I decided to create a separate thread for it here in a minute. But just to help get things started…


Yes, and their "help" system has Failed with HUGE amounts of people trying all their formulas of nonsense, then if after years of giving their system a fair and genuine chance, and the person is still depressed, anxious, etc they have the AUDACITY to rudely BLAME the VICTIM of not getting 'better' and tell them 'well you should just try again/ work even harder' at getting 'better'.

The whole time these brainwashed people who cannot face truth and reality, are so UNREALISTIC that they continue to blame the VICTIM for having a NORMAL REACTION to a TOXIC ENVIRONMENT & BRUTAL SOCIETY that puts nearly continuous pressure on so many people, not only with never-ending financial issues & sky rocketing rents, but also exponentially increasing VIOLENCE, bullying by coworkers, shocking levels of absolute rudeness & selfishness, people utterly disrespectful of your minimum safety on the roads more than ever before, people being used & abandoned, children being kidnapped by the ever increasing rise of child molestors /sexual assaults that permanently traumatize both adults & children... with a constantly UNPREDICTABLE ENVIRONMENT for most people, every time they step outside their front door.

Especially in the USA, the levels of cruelty in so many survival areas of life are more out of control than ever. Too many people have become either so traumatized or so aggressive that many just finally snap and either lash out exploding or begin to fall apart into severe depression and isolation out of NATURAL DESIGN... which is NOT a "MENTAL DISORDER".

With very few exceptions (like organic brain schizophrenia with hallucinations) do most people who are just receiving a LABEL put on their REACTION to these UNNATURAL and EXHAUSTING CIRCUMSTANCES, with all levels of abuse by both individuals and society, actually have a so-called 'mental problem'. One of my university degrees that I got early on with psychology, and while at first I partially bought into their ideology, as I learned more I realized just how subject of their psychology science is, their fluctuating definitions of what a disorder is become outrageously ridiculous.

For example, if you don't believe in their system, that itself is supposedly a 'disorder' too. (*eyes rolling*) This is a system made up by humans who decided what is 'normal' and most of them make good money off of it. Some decent people are in that field, but there are so many that just are in it for easy money, telling people to journal and do you deep breathing exercises and take these trucks that alter your brain chemistry. It's like an experiment with synthetic chemicals but they call it "medical care" or "medication".

When the person, including myself over the years, tries all different sorts of pills, but they called medicine, it does all sorts of damaging things over time to the liver, kidneys, and often the brain itself. they are told that this is a potential solution to your disorder, to take a pill made by humans, and dad they can just keep trying different medications to see how each one works but maybe this one will work better, etc. I've taken all different kinds of meds over the years and, sure some of them would help me just relax, like amitriptyline or Valium, but then it would also tell the brain to stop making it so natural supply which creates withdrawals, because It's not natural. It temporarily provides some relief, but at a cost to your health & brain chemistry over time.

You're much better off taking only natural neurotransmitters like GABA, or others like magnesium, melatonin, and while they may not be as sedating, they're at least safer. there was a lady I met a few years ago that suffered with depression, and went to a natural path who basically gave her an injection IV of power for B vitamin, and within a week she started feeling much better because everything was so out of balance and depleted. Our foods have tons of sugar, which the body doesn't understand and isn't able to process well, combined with a traumatizing environment & unnatural pressures.

Like with PTSD, which i and many on here have, these shrinks and naive people who blindly believe/accept this is dangerous idea of LABELING NATURAL REACTIONS, you're told that you just have a 'mental disorder' when in fact that's equivalent in reality to them telling you that your reflex in your knee is a disorder, or when you sneeze as your body is trying to get out test or a virus that it's a disorder, all of these natural reactions that we were born with somehow become a so-called disorder that they need to 'treat'. What they really need to treat is this damn horrifyingly cruel environment, nearly impossible financial system with credit scores bullsh*t that harm innocent people struggling with low pay, and the violent scum that attacks people.

Have their always being these types of people? Of course there has, But the problem now is that giant percentages of the population around us are constantly unpredictable, many other people are being victimized more than ever on MULTIPLE LEVELS, and then society is told the insulting line "that's just the way it is"... Well, the 'way it is' is slowly torturing us!!

these psychology people and the naïve people that are brainwashed completely by them, act like if you're not perfectly happy then you must have a disorder. They never take in consideration what you have experienced that is different from what they have experienced, maybe you don't have a supportive family, or maybe you are a victim of abuse and domestic violence, or that your financial reality is different than theirs, so when you have REACTIONS to TRAUMATIC EVENTS, but they don't have a similar experience, they treat you like you need help, or 'why don't you just go get counseling'?

For me and it seems so many on here, it's like, yes I've already gotten counseling! or this is WITH/AFTER counseling, and it DOES NOT WORK or HELP. The VICTIM is NOT the PROBLEM, the DAMAGING ENVIRONMENT is the PROBLEM.

FIX the ENVIRONMENT and people won't have all of this depression and anxiety, in the first place. Stop allowing people to abuse their children and their significant other. Instead of blaming the victim. Hell, if anything, it's the ABUSERS who should get freaking 'counseling' if anyone does.

I was always the skeptic in my first undergraduate (psychology) degree, and remember my professors sometimes making comments like you shouldn't question the system of 'care' already established, or why are you always questioning the legitimacy of the DSM book of disorders? I started reading even more then class assignments, studying more, researching more. I pretty much got straight A's in all of my psychology classes, but I started to see through the veil of illusion very early on. I still tried counseling, medications, and truly gave the most genuine effort, but it still did not 'cure' me or all of the other people/patients/customers whatever you want to call them. whatever you do, unless you're having physical hallucinations, please don't let these other humans that created a system called psychology that makes you feel bad about yourself.

Please don't let their labels thrown on you to make you doubt yourself, or to tell yourself that there's just 'something wrong with you'. They are not 'experts' any more than the 'doctors' in the 1800's did Blood-Letting (lancing you then bleeding out) to 'cure' people according to their faulty BELIEF that it would 'help'. (many died instead from their 'medical treatment) Wow.

Chances are in all likelihood, you don't even have a so-called disorder, you're EXPERIENCING NATURE'S DESIGN under stress, natural reactions under huge amount of pressure... which is NOT "MENTAL".

EMOTIONS are designed by nature, emotions/feelings are what we are BORN WITH ... they tell us something is wrong in our environment and/or the abusive person around us is not safe to be around.

Please step back pro-lifers, and actually make a REAL EFFORT to STOP, THINK, and MOST IMPORTANTLY... LISTEN TO US.

The same theme i have noticed in probably around 90% of people on here have similar undertones of "i cannot do this anymore" or "we cannot survive this level of cruelty/stress"... that's NOT a 'mental problem' AT ALL!! It's a CLEAR SYMPTOM of INTOLERABLE LEVELS of STRESS CREATED by TOXIC & DAMAGING circumstances!

People cannot just keep living with a never-ending pressures on top of previous damage with almost no support, no relief, no escape without the nervous system breaking down.

It's like Driving a car when it's engine has become depleted of oil and finally just breaks down, without what it needs it cannot run properly. But there's not something inherently defective with the car, it just was not treated properly. Deprive people of their basic needs of feeling safe, relaxed, and valued/respected, and watch them either fall apart or explode from the pressure.

People NEED to be more decent and kind to each other, people NEED to feel generally safe, people NEED to know they won't become homeless in terrifying situations just because of unexpected job loss, people NEED their own government they pay taxes to actually be there in return in a financial emergency, people NEED real friends and loving spouses they can trust. ALL of these NEEDS are NOT "MENTAL DISORDERS" my friends... and please be kinder to yourself knowing there isn't something 'wrong' with you if/when you react to the Loss or deprivation of any of these basic needs being met. Your tears, your rage, your panic, your exhaustion, your suffering is YOUR NATURAL RIGHT expressing that this life is hurting you and YOU DESERVE BETTER...

WE DESERVE BETTER.

Please, please, please publish this...please. May I print it, assuming I can figure out how, and give it to someone I know who will make excellent use of it? I have been trying for 20 years to make change. I speak endlessly to others about the damage being done to the living, but none have had the authority to effectively change the attitudes of those in power. I have found someone now. I have known her for 4 years, she is learning to be a counselor for children, and since I have training in 'crisis management counseling', and worked successfully with autistic children, I have been able to speak on her level. I have provided the lady with two wonderful older textbooks on cognition, and pharmaceuticals...then two more on the same subjects that are modern. It has been 4 years...but she is appalled, and completely understands my need to leave this incredible world. As you can see I am not depressed...but I am determined. I have spent 48 hours of my life convincing her, 1 hour every month, and finally she understands, not perfectly, but she is far more amenable to new ideas. In fact everything you have written so beautifully here, and a few more points...with your permission I will hand her your missive, lending credence to what she already knows. All things start at a single point. Change can come, but it must be done carefully, and slowly to have a lasting effect. Too late for me, but for all those who come after, a better world. Thank you Purple, from the depth of my heart, thank you.

 

[goomsoom]

I think morally you are right. But the science is out there about suicide. Any open discussion about it raises suicide rates. The more detailed and "positive", the higher the likelihood for someone to attempt to take their own life; that's why they don't report on suicide much, why they use non descriptive language, why they always include a positive message and why they never ever discuss methods etc ...

I would guess that being active on this forum raises suicide risk; and because of the detailed discussion of methodology it also increases success rates drastically.

I really don't understand our society they would rather keep you in a cage than let you exit peacefully. I have seen some people forced to spend all their life on a bed it's horrible.

Incorrect methods can make people vegetable and that's acceptable just shows how selfish people can be.

 

[purplemoon]

Please, please, please publish this...please. May I print it, assuming I can figure out how, and give it to someone I know who will make excellent use of it? I have been trying for 20 years to make change. I speak endlessly to others about the damage being done to the living, but none have had the authority to effectively change the attitudes of those in power. I have found someone now. I have known her for 4 years, she is learning to be a counselor for children, and since I have training in 'crisis management counseling', and worked successfully with autistic children, I have been able to speak on her level. I have provided the lady with two wonderful older textbooks on cognition, and pharmaceuticals...then two more on the same subjects that are modern. It has been 4 years...but she is appalled, and completely understands my need to leave this incredible world. As you can see I am not depressed...but I am determined. I have spent 48 hours of my life convincing her, 1 hour every month, and finally she understands, not perfectly, but she is far more amenable to new ideas. In fact everything you have written so beautifully here, and a few more points...with your permission I will hand her your missive, lending credence to what she already knows. All things start at a single point. Change can come, but it must be done carefully, and slowly to have a lasting effect. Too late for me, but for all those who come after, a better world. Thank you Purple, from the depth of my heart, thank you.

Hi Poof,

That's very sweet of you, thank you. I think that's commendable that you have dedicated so much of your energy and pursued avenues striving to make a real difference in our world. Whether it is successful or not in the long run, in a way doesn't matter, because God will reward you for your best intentions.

Maybe it will make a difference, it's certainly worth a try. Yes, go ahead and print it, publish it, as you like. Thank you for being so respectful and polite; if only everyone was like that.

What I would like to compliment you on the most, is that you are using your compassion to help make things better not just for yourself, but for everyone, based on universal principles. I think that's beautiful.

Please stay the way you are, whoever you are, & I hope someone listens to you well, and then hopefully someone will listen to them well, and so on.

for me, I'm almost down to the last try i have left in me, at least for my life. I've given so much of myself to this world, I'm going to give it to others very soon to carry on...Passing the torch along, so to speak.

I need to regenerate myself, and go on vacation from this entire species and physical realm. Unless a miracle happens, I know it will be in the near future. Either way, I really appreciate people like you. The good souls, those that are a part of the light in so much darkness.

Sending good wishes your way, for your endeavors.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Hi Poof,

That's very sweet of you, thank you. I think that's commendable that you have dedicated so much of your energy and pursued avenues striving to make a real difference in our world. Whether it is successful or not in the long run, in a way doesn't matter, because God will reward you for your best intentions.

Maybe it will make a difference, it's certainly worth a try. Yes, go ahead and print it, publish it, as you like. Thank you for being so respectful and polite; if only everyone was like that.

What I would like to compliment you on the most, is that you are using your compassion to help make things better not just for yourself, but for everyone, based on universal principles. I think that's beautiful.

Please stay the way you are, whoever you are, & I hope someone listens to you well, and then hopefully someone will listen to them well, and so on.

for me, I'm almost down to the last try i have left in me, at least for my life. I've given so much of myself to this world, I'm going to give it to others very soon to carry on...Passing the torch along, so to speak.

I need to regenerate myself, and go on vacation from this entire species and physical realm. Unless a miracle happens, I know it will be in the near future. Either way, I really appreciate people like you. The good souls, those that are a part of the light in so much darkness.

Sending good wishes your way, for your endeavors.

It will make a difference I promise you. Thank you, thank you so much Purplemoon...thank you. That is what your essay will amount to Moon...passing on the torch, and I guarantee your work and mine shall open eyes, and doors to the wrongs being committed to the innocent, and the vulnerable within the medical profession. You should write professionally my friend. But I am not special hon, I am just here...like the rest of us...grin. Thank you so much. you have no idea how grateful I am...thank you.

 

[asifkhanny12345]

I do remember her

 

[heheb27595]

cannot understand we are adults

They wants to control, beginning to the end.

 

[HelensNepenthe]

How did the coroner find out that the deceased had been at this site?

Police investigations..?

 

[Heart of Ice]

Just a friendly reminder to use the Tor browser. And wipe all your data when you do what you do.

Probably unnecessary, unless you are bying hard drugs.

 

[Diana03]

Fyi: My response to your insight became so lengthy I decided to create a separate thread for it here in a minute. But just to help get things started…


Yes, and their "help" system has Failed with HUGE amounts of people trying all their formulas of nonsense, then if after years of giving their system a fair and genuine chance, and the person is still depressed, anxious, etc they have the AUDACITY to rudely BLAME the VICTIM of not getting 'better' and tell them 'well you should just try again/ work even harder' at getting 'better'.

The whole time these brainwashed people who cannot face truth and reality, are so UNREALISTIC that they continue to blame the VICTIM for having a NORMAL REACTION to a TOXIC ENVIRONMENT & BRUTAL SOCIETY that puts nearly continuous pressure on so many people, not only with never-ending financial issues & sky rocketing rents, but also exponentially increasing VIOLENCE, bullying by coworkers, shocking levels of absolute rudeness & selfishness, people utterly disrespectful of your minimum safety on the roads more than ever before, people being used & abandoned, children being kidnapped by the ever increasing rise of child molestors /sexual assaults that permanently traumatize both adults & children... with a constantly UNPREDICTABLE ENVIRONMENT for most people, every time they step outside their front door.

Especially in the USA, the levels of cruelty in so many survival areas of life are more out of control than ever. Too many people have become either so traumatized or so aggressive that many just finally snap and either lash out exploding or begin to fall apart into severe depression and isolation out of NATURAL DESIGN... which is NOT a "MENTAL DISORDER".

With very few exceptions (like organic brain schizophrenia with hallucinations) do most people who are just receiving a LABEL put on their REACTION to these UNNATURAL and EXHAUSTING CIRCUMSTANCES, with all levels of abuse by both individuals and society, actually have a so-called 'mental problem'. One of my university degrees that I got early on with psychology, and while at first I partially bought into their ideology, as I learned more I realized just how subject of their psychology science is, their fluctuating definitions of what a disorder is become outrageously ridiculous.

For example, if you don't believe in their system, that itself is supposedly a 'disorder' too. (*eyes rolling*) This is a system made up by humans who decided what is 'normal' and most of them make good money off of it. Some decent people are in that field, but there are so many that just are in it for easy money, telling people to journal and do you deep breathing exercises and take these trucks that alter your brain chemistry. It's like an experiment with synthetic chemicals but they call it "medical care" or "medication".

When the person, including myself over the years, tries all different sorts of pills, but they called medicine, it does all sorts of damaging things over time to the liver, kidneys, and often the brain itself. they are told that this is a potential solution to your disorder, to take a pill made by humans, and dad they can just keep trying different medications to see how each one works but maybe this one will work better, etc. I've taken all different kinds of meds over the years and, sure some of them would help me just relax, like amitriptyline or Valium, but then it would also tell the brain to stop making it so natural supply which creates withdrawals, because It's not natural. It temporarily provides some relief, but at a cost to your health & brain chemistry over time.

You're much better off taking only natural neurotransmitters like GABA, or others like magnesium, melatonin, and while they may not be as sedating, they're at least safer. there was a lady I met a few years ago that suffered with depression, and went to a natural path who basically gave her an injection IV of power for B vitamin, and within a week she started feeling much better because everything was so out of balance and depleted. Our foods have tons of sugar, which the body doesn't understand and isn't able to process well, combined with a traumatizing environment & unnatural pressures.

Like with PTSD, which i and many on here have, these shrinks and naive people who blindly believe/accept this is dangerous idea of LABELING NATURAL REACTIONS, you're told that you just have a 'mental disorder' when in fact that's equivalent in reality to them telling you that your reflex in your knee is a disorder, or when you sneeze as your body is trying to get out test or a virus that it's a disorder, all of these natural reactions that we were born with somehow become a so-called disorder that they need to 'treat'. What they really need to treat is this damn horrifyingly cruel environment, nearly impossible financial system with credit scores bullsh*t that harm innocent people struggling with low pay, and the violent scum that attacks people.

Have their always being these types of people? Of course there has, But the problem now is that giant percentages of the population around us are constantly unpredictable, many other people are being victimized more than ever on MULTIPLE LEVELS, and then society is told the insulting line "that's just the way it is"... Well, the 'way it is' is slowly torturing us!!

these psychology people and the naïve people that are brainwashed completely by them, act like if you're not perfectly happy then you must have a disorder. They never take in consideration what you have experienced that is different from what they have experienced, maybe you don't have a supportive family, or maybe you are a victim of abuse and domestic violence, or that your financial reality is different than theirs, so when you have REACTIONS to TRAUMATIC EVENTS, but they don't have a similar experience, they treat you like you need help, or 'why don't you just go get counseling'?

For me and it seems so many on here, it's like, yes I've already gotten counseling! or this is WITH/AFTER counseling, and it DOES NOT WORK or HELP. The VICTIM is NOT the PROBLEM, the DAMAGING ENVIRONMENT is the PROBLEM.

FIX the ENVIRONMENT and people won't have all of this depression and anxiety, in the first place. Stop allowing people to abuse their children and their significant other. Instead of blaming the victim. Hell, if anything, it's the ABUSERS who should get freaking 'counseling' if anyone does.

I was always the skeptic in my first undergraduate (psychology) degree, and remember my professors sometimes making comments like you shouldn't question the system of 'care' already established, or why are you always questioning the legitimacy of the DSM book of disorders? I started reading even more then class assignments, studying more, researching more. I pretty much got straight A's in all of my psychology classes, but I started to see through the veil of illusion very early on. I still tried counseling, medications, and truly gave the most genuine effort, but it still did not 'cure' me or all of the other people/patients/customers whatever you want to call them. whatever you do, unless you're having physical hallucinations, please don't let these other humans that created a system called psychology that makes you feel bad about yourself.

Please don't let their labels thrown on you to make you doubt yourself, or to tell yourself that there's just 'something wrong with you'. They are not 'experts' any more than the 'doctors' in the 1800's did Blood-Letting (lancing you then bleeding out) to 'cure' people according to their faulty BELIEF that it would 'help'. (many died instead from their 'medical treatment) Wow.

Chances are in all likelihood, you don't even have a so-called disorder, you're EXPERIENCING NATURE'S DESIGN under stress, natural reactions under huge amount of pressure... which is NOT "MENTAL".

EMOTIONS are designed by nature, emotions/feelings are what we are BORN WITH ... they tell us something is wrong in our environment and/or the abusive person around us is not safe to be around.

Please step back pro-lifers, and actually make a REAL EFFORT to STOP, THINK, and MOST IMPORTANTLY... LISTEN TO US.

The same theme i have noticed in probably around 90% of people on here have similar undertones of "i cannot do this anymore" or "we cannot survive this level of cruelty/stress"... that's NOT a 'mental problem' AT ALL!! It's a CLEAR SYMPTOM of INTOLERABLE LEVELS of STRESS CREATED by TOXIC & DAMAGING circumstances!

People cannot just keep living with a never-ending pressures on top of previous damage with almost no support, no relief, no escape without the nervous system breaking down.

It's like Driving a car when it's engine has become depleted of oil and finally just breaks down, without what it needs it cannot run properly. But there's not something inherently defective with the car, it just was not treated properly. Deprive people of their basic needs of feeling safe, relaxed, and valued/respected, and watch them either fall apart or explode from the pressure.

People NEED to be more decent and kind to each other, people NEED to feel generally safe, people NEED to know they won't become homeless in terrifying situations just because of unexpected job loss, people NEED their own government they pay taxes to actually be there in return in a financial emergency, people NEED real friends and loving spouses they can trust. ALL of these NEEDS are NOT "MENTAL DISORDERS" my friends... and please be kinder to yourself knowing there isn't something 'wrong' with you if/when you react to the Loss or deprivation of any of these basic needs being met. Your tears, your rage, your panic, your exhaustion, your suffering is YOUR NATURAL RIGHT expressing that this life is hurting you and YOU DESERVE BETTER...

WE DESERVE BETTER.

All that helped me remember myself and turned my vision 180 - perhaps what is natural is feeling suicidal considering what I have just lived through. I've spent years in shame about it. Thanks.

 

[purplemoon]

Oh and for any LE watching this thread.

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That's funny to see Mr.Rogers do that?! Well, i've dated a few cops / relationships with detectives before so i prefer them as the alphas

LOL, Mine is the opposite of yours for any LE possibly watching this thread...

If LE ever need a little extra community support that's more personalized... I'd be glad to cheer them up...

It will make a difference I promise you. Thank you, thank you so much Purplemoon...thank you. That is what your essay will amount to Moon...passing on the torch, and I guarantee your work and mine shall open eyes, and doors to the wrongs being committed to the innocent, and the vulnerable within the medical profession. You should write professionally my friend. But I am not special hon, I am just here...like the rest of us...grin. Thank you so much. you have no idea how grateful I am...thank you.

Awww... that's very sweet of you!

well yes, I am a writer, just not published at this time. it's genetic and runs in part of my family, my mother's side (mother, sister, grandmother are/were writers) with the only ones that are actually good people in my family.

Whether i catch the bus sooner or later, I am hoping to publish at least one draft.

It's a book about America, and how its culture has created so much cruelty despite some positives (With, from what a friend told me after reading my draft script, presentation of some potentially controversial questions that inadvertently persuades people to examine the realities around them... sort of like on here but exponentially elaborated in a about 120 pages) plus a children's book entitled 'kindness is kontagious' (Purposely spelled with a K in contagious) to help facilitate on a child's cognitive level reflection on how morals & manners evoke upspiraling of healthy, safe boundaries along with setting into motion empathy and diplomacy, all of which culminate into fostering smoother communication & interaction between people and simultaneously mutually boosts self esteem as both parties feel both respected & respectful.

You're very confident that it will make a difference; i hope it does help.

You helped me smile (a genuine one), by demonstrating that there are still a few people out there that are good souls.

No matter the outcome of your efforts, and I'm sure they will at least have a good impact on some that could elicit healthy ripple effects out there, may God reward you for your caring intentions.

 

[aloneintheworld]

1. I really hate how things are spun when someone dies by suicide. Her parents creating the foundation for stopping websites like this loses touch with why she really died which was probably her circumstances or untreated depression. There was this girl who went to my high school and her parents created a foundation too (national attention) of what they believe is 100% the reason she took her life but its not the whole picture they've used the sweet girls death as an example to change laws etc. and not be remembered for who she really was
2. I don't understand why in this world of finite resources where we are overpopulated on this earth why we force people who are suffering and no longer wanting to live to continue to live and to continue to consume resources. Very unpopular opinion but there should be a process for people who have been suffering to die peacefully and with dignity on a global scale. This includes people with chronic conditions, mental illnesses, terminal illnesses etc. it shouldn't be a short process it should include evaluations to make sure its not an impulsive decisions the person tried what was in their power to improve etc. and it should be covered by some insurance (these subgroups of people use a lot of insurance money anyways so...) It should also include a program to guide and help people to improve their situations if they decide that they want to continue living

 

[ManWithNoName]

1. I really hate how things are spun when someone dies by suicide. Her parents creating the foundation for stopping websites like this loses touch with why she really died

Indeed. The last thing they might have considered was bad parenting on their part. It's always something else in the way they see it. But they would not be the first fuck up parents in the World.

 

[aloneintheworld]

Indeed. The last thing they might have considered was bad parenting on their part. It's always something else in the way they see it. But they would not be the first fuck up parents in the World.

It's such a shame too because if this energy they direct to foundations etc was directed towards good parenting while the children were alive I bet these kids would be thriving. I do at least give them some credit though they're probably doing the best they know how to continue their Childs legacy through their view of it is just very shaded they are in the cave

 

[Mm80]

"PRO-SUICIDE" ugh fuck right off. Bloody hell just being able to *talk* openly about suicide is offensive to them isn't it. Heaven forbid anyone should get to be HONEST about how they feel even for a moment.

Edit: Also this gem...



Absolute horseshit. Depressive people are adept at spinning lies. It doesn't take an online death-cult forum to be able to tell someone you feel fine.

Also, you'd have to have brought a knife with you to the hospital and be holding it to your neck to get sectioned since they have no budget and no beds.

So true this post. Pro suicide? Not at all. Pro choice. And probably saves more lives than the community mental health team as if you tell them the truth you risk getting sectioned. Plus you are right they are underfunded. Maybe they could look i to why nothing was done for 12 days if they are so much into saving lives. The girl got a peaceful humane ending to her life through support and education. Nobody else would have been directly affected. Would they have preffered her to jump in front of a train out of desperation due to a lack of information? And cause real trauma to uninvolved people?

 

[Epsilon0]

"One expert says the site – which we have decided not to name – is one of the "most shocking" and "salacious" forums they have seen."


Oh, they have an expert who says we are shocking and salacious. I guess that settles it, then.

This is obviously not serious journalism, so, it's not surprising it is biased and full of inaccuracies. It is sad, though, that readers get such a warped image of our community.

 

[WhiteEyes]

This is the least toxic forum I've been on though I've only been lurking for a few months.

Most other social media encourage drama, profit and thrive off it. My relief as a kid was getting home and watching cartoons to get away from the abuse.
I don't know how teens today cope to be honest.

 

[Defenestrator]

"One expert says the site – which we have decided not to name – is one of the "most shocking" and "salacious" forums they have seen."


Oh, they have an expert who says we are shocking and salacious. I guess that settles it, then.

This is obviously not serious journalism, so, it's not surprising it is biased and full of inaccuracies. It is sad, though, that readers get such a warped image of our community.

Salacious? weird choice of wording - unless you're a fucking necrophiliac. Not an expert in the English language then.