This is how it will be to die of R2D Rebreather II

[NormaJeane]

The Smith-Hofsess Debreather was used by people to end their lives. Of nine cases there were eight deaths and one failure. In the single failure the person was vomiting. Time to death was 25 minutes. In most cases sleeping pills was taken prior to use. There are no statistics about deaths from the R2D Rebreather II.

The R2D Rebreather II will lead to death by lack of oxygen. Right2Die has written the following on their website: "YOUR RIGHT TO LIFE INCLUDES THE RIGHT TO END YOUR LIFE PAINLESSLY, PEACEFULLY & WITH DIGNITY". But this is what you can expect - how humans react to lack of oxygen. 1: Pulse and breathing rates increase and coordination may be disturbed. 2: Abnormal fatigue and disturbed respiration occurs. 3. Nausea, vomiting, loss of voluntary mobility and loss of consciousness. 4. Convusions, gasping, loss of respiration and cessation of heart function.

 

[epic1959]

How do you expect the mask to stay on - allowing no oxygen into the system - with "convulsions" and/or "gasping"? With the Debreather the attendants had to keep the masks on in all of almost all cases, if I read the article correctly. I realize you can brace the mask in various ways to try to keep it on, but again, all it takes is very slight leakage at/around to defeat the device. At a time when the user is unconscious.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Sounds like they'd be better of making ready-made kits for inert gases.

 

[CanadaFornever]

Having recently attempted to use this device. I must say I do NOT recommend this method. Also note I have recently been ambivalent about taking my life, and I realize that may play a part in my perspective.

Air tight seal: Achieving this is next to impossible. You can get a fairly good seal with the mask and head straps, but once your body begins doing things on its own its much harder. A forceful expulsion on air from your mouth can be sufficient to break the seal. Also if you begin to perspire that might also affect it?

Connections: They are simple plastic and pvc connections, just a male/female connection system, they disconnect easily as there is no latch or screwing mechanism to keep them in place. In order for it to not disconnect, you would need to lie extremely still.

The Lung: I'm not sure of the actual name. I am referring to the plastic bag inside the cardboard box functions as the devices 'air supply'. This is far too small. It makes your breathing feel labored and pressured. A sense of anxiety and hyperventilation sets in. It is not comfortable.

The Canisters: These are meant to scrub the C02 out of the returning air. They may have been working, but the shallowness of the lung was enough to cause panic in the first place.

I tried multiple times. In all attempts the anxiety/ panic of not getting enough air set in very quickly nor did I ever reach a point where I felt like I would pass out, let alone getting light headed.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Having recently attempted to use this device. I must say I do NOT recommend this method. Also note I have recently been ambivalent about taking my life, and I realize that may play a part in my perspective.

Thank you for posting your experience. It sounded too good to be true. Coupled with the lack of real world evidence I was weary of it. An exit bag hooked up to an inert gas tank has been proven to work.

All these contraptions seem needlessly complex. I am thinking about ordering N but even that has its own share of obstacles. I guess there is no easy way out. That is why it pisses me off when people say suicide is for cowards. It is definitely the hardest thing I have attempted.

 

[Greenberg]

Having recently attempted to use this device. I must say I do NOT recommend this method. Also note I have recently been ambivalent about taking my life, and I realize that may play a part in my perspective.

Air tight seal: Achieving this is next to impossible. You can get a fairly good seal with the mask and head straps, but once your body begins doing things on its own its much harder. A forceful expulsion on air from your mouth can be sufficient to break the seal. Also if you begin to perspire that might also affect it?

Connections: They are simple plastic and pvc connections, just a male/female connection system, they disconnect easily as there is no latch or screwing mechanism to keep them in place. In order for it to not disconnect, you would need to lie extremely still.

The Lung: I'm not sure of the actual name. I am referring to the plastic bag inside the cardboard box functions as the devices 'air supply'. This is far too small. It makes your breathing feel labored and pressured. A sense of anxiety and hyperventilation sets in. It is not comfortable.

The Canisters: These are meant to scrub the C02 out of the returning air. They may have been working, but the shallowness of the lung was enough to cause panic in the first place.

I tried multiple times. In all attempts the anxiety/ panic of not getting enough air set in very quickly nor did I ever reach a point where I felt like I would pass out, let alone getting light headed.

Oh dear, my doubts about the device have become true. The concept may be sound but the 3rd implementation again leaves much to be desired. Honestly, I believe it is unconscionable that Avocet and Nitskche would raise peoples' expectations with an unproven product.

Thank you, @CanadaFornever for sharing your trial attempt experiences. I can only imagine how uncomfortable it would be to be rebreathing one's own moist and humid air, continually hyperventilating, and unable to reach unconsciousness. It looks like the air seals, and perhaps the whole contraption, in general, are suspect.

I think the R2D organization should refund purchasers for selling a defective, ineffective product!!

 

[the_final_countdown]

Oh dear, my doubts about the device have become true. The concept may be sound but the 3rd implementation again leaves much to be desired. Honestly, I believe it is unconscionable that Avocet and Nitskche would raise peoples' expectations with an unproven product.

Thank you, @CanadaFornever for sharing your trial attempt experiences. I can only imagine how uncomfortable it would be to be rebreathing one's own moist and humid air, continually hyperventilating, and unable to reach unconsciousness. It looks like the air seals, and perhaps the whole contraption, in general, are suspect.

I think the R2D organization should refund purchasers for selling a defective, ineffective product!!

It's funny how money is important to suicidal people.

I feel that too.

 

[Greenberg]

It's funny how money is important to suicidal people.

I feel that too.

I think people just do not want to be ripped off.

It is just the simple and universally accepted principle of fair exchange; notwithstanding if the person is suicidal or not.

Please recall this is at least the 3rd time the Debreather/Rebreather has been released to the public. And this latest release is no different than the initial 2 failures.

 

[Bullit]

I had high hopes for the rebreather. Hopes which have just been dashed.

 

[Greenberg]

I had high hopes for the rebreather. Hopes which have just been dashed.

I am also disappointed. I was thinking of building one myself just to prove that the concept works. But with all the limitations highlighted, I am unsure if it warrants the effort.

Notwithstanding, I do not understand how R2D can release a product that does not work. I mean the scam is so blatant to be unforgivable.

My guess is that the inventor (Avocet) thought he could get away with the hustle by selling "x" number of units before purchasers discover the truth; when they do, he simply closes shop and leaves with the revenues made. Even worse, he might return in the future with another iteration of a new and improved version of the product.

I also place blame on Dr. Nitskche for hyping the product even after successive product introduction failures.

 

[carplad]

Going to try mine soon then it sounds like a bin job!

Having recently attempted to use this device. I must say I do NOT recommend this method. Also note I have recently been ambivalent about taking my life, and I realize that may play a part in my perspective.

Air tight seal: Achieving this is next to impossible. You can get a fairly good seal with the mask and head straps, but once your body begins doing things on its own its much harder. A forceful expulsion on air from your mouth can be sufficient to break the seal. Also if you begin to perspire that might also affect it?

Connections: They are simple plastic and pvc connections, just a male/female connection system, they disconnect easily as there is no latch or screwing mechanism to keep them in place. In order for it to not disconnect, you would need to lie extremely still.

The Lung: I'm not sure of the actual name. I am referring to the plastic bag inside the cardboard box functions as the devices 'air supply'. This is far too small. It makes your breathing feel labored and pressured. A sense of anxiety and hyperventilation sets in. It is not comfortable.

The Canisters: These are meant to scrub the C02 out of the returning air. They may have been working, but the shallowness of the lung was enough to cause panic in the first place.

I tried multiple times. In all attempts the anxiety/ panic of not getting enough air set in very quickly nor did I ever reach a point where I felt like I would pass out, let alone getting light headed.

If you tried multiple times surely the canisters wouldn't have been any good??

 

[Pookie]

Going to try mine soon then it sounds like a bin job!

If you tried multiple times surely the canisters wouldn't have been any good??

Good luck, let us know how it went if you can.

 

[CanadaFornever]

Going to try mine soon then it sounds like a bin job!

If you tried multiple times surely the canisters wouldn't have been any good??

Multiple times meaning it didn't work, I waited a few minutes to recollect myself, then tried again. Not multiple times over the course of several hours or days.

 

[Trojan]

I have one and at some time in the future I will use it. Then I will know for sure if it works or not. Right now it doesn't sound promising, but I don't have any other viable options.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Please recall this is at least the 3rd time the Debreather/Rebreather has been released to the public. And this latest release is no different than the initial 2 failures.

At this point can the rebreather be classified as a scam? It clearly does not work or at least not well enough. I wonder how much money they made off desperate people. This is starting to piss me off.

 

[Greenberg]

At this point can the rebreather be classified as a scam? It clearly does not work or at least not well enough. I wonder how much money they made off desperate people. This is starting to piss me off.

I believe it should have been classified as a scam after the initial introduction when the devices failed to live up to their expectation.

The best we can do now is to caution others to avoid and discount the product completely. For those who have made the purchase, perhaps a writing campaign with suggestions of legal actions may result in some sort of refund for their purchase.

Finally and I stress again, please be worry about product endorsements from Dr. N.

 

[carplad]

At this point can the rebreather be classified as a scam? It clearly does not work or at least not well enough. I wonder how much money they made off desperate people. This is starting to piss me off.

They know that people can't complain that's the problem

 

[RedHarlequin]

It's funny how money is important to suicidal people.

I feel that too.

I'd rather leave my money to my loved ones instead of giving it to some organization that sells ineffective overpriced devices.

 

[Trojan]

Is anyone aware of any reaction to these issues from the seller of the device or from Dr. N?

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Is anyone aware of any reaction to these issues from the seller of the device or from Dr. N?

Send us more money for our new version which we pinky promise will work this time.

 

[carplad]

Is anyone aware of any reaction to these issues from the seller of the device or from Dr. N?

No mate! It's £££££ for them and I would guess they were aware of its faults?

 

[NormaJeane]

They know that people can't complain that's the problem

I have tried the face mask and the chin strap, which felt very uncomfortable on my head, but I could get an airtight seal. The plastic pipes and everything with the R2D Rebreather II looks cheap and I wonder if this method will work. (But maybe it will work.) There must be an airtight seal until death occurs so what happens if the method fails? This is a good business idea for RIGHT2DIE, it seems that no one knows if this device works and people can not complain. But we who have bought the R2D Rebreather II are not stupid, we are only living in an environment where it is difficult to get hold of lethal aids. I am ready to die but I do not dare to use the R2D Rebreather II yet. I wonder, how long will it take before we know if this method works. I want to go to Pegasos in Switzerland and die with the help of a doctor instead, but I have been on sick leave for years because I have chronic pain and sleeping problems so I can not pay for it, I have not been able to save any money. My relatives have money to pay for euthanasia, but they refuse, they want me to suffer until I die of old age in a retirement home, sitting in a wheelchair. Earlier, I wanted to use the method exit bag and sleeping pills, but this method is not recommended anymore. However, to tape over mouth and nose with a wide tape - how can that method fail? It will be painful and uncomfortable, but only for a few minutes.

 

[carplad]

Multiple times meaning it didn't work, I waited a few minutes to recollect myself, then tried again. Not multiple times over the course of several hours or days.

Opened mine today looks naff! Cheap Velcro head strap adjusted to tight fit but can easily open mouth with little effort. Looks easy to set up but cheap looking parts :(

 

[eternalmelancholy]

I have tried the face mask and the chin strap, which felt very uncomfortable on my head, but I could get an airtight seal. The plastic pipes and everything with the R2D Rebreather II looks cheap and I wonder if this method will work. (But maybe it will work.) There must be an airtight seal until death occurs so what happens if the method fails?

Man I got an anxiety attack just reading this. These contraptions are so complicated to figure out. I am starting to think the simplest methods are the best methods.

Just imagining someone scouring through blueprints and analyzing complex machinery with tubes and pipes just so they can ctb is something out of a dystopian novel.

 

[GerMann]

What about to airtight taping the mouth, so only the nose keeps open?

 

[LiesAndLigatures]

What about to airtight taping the mouth, so only the nose keeps open?

Involuntary mouth movements after loss of conciousness would likely break a tape seal. Maybe duct tape diagonally from the chin to the top-back of your head? I'm not sure, but I feel like that would work slightly better. You would want a cloth between the tape and your hair though.

I designed and built my own debreather. The mask keeps a much better seal, but I'm still worried about convulsions ruining it.

Anyone know if having a bag as a secondary seal would work? Bulkhead fittings to run the hose through the bag with an airtight connection, taped around the neck nice and tight (but not choking), and still wearing the mask inside the bag? I feel like the seal would allow me to pass out from hypoxia, and if the seal fails after loss of conciousness, the secondary seal of the bag would still suffocate me while I'm passed out anyways.

 

[NormaJeane]

Involuntary mouth movements after loss of conciousness would likely break a tape seal. Maybe duct tape diagonally from the chin to the top-back of your head? I'm not sure, but I feel like that would work slightly better. You would want a cloth between the tape and your hair though.

I designed and built my own debreather. The mask keeps a much better seal, but I'm still worried about convulsions ruining it.

Anyone know if having a bag as a secondary seal would work? Bulkhead fittings to run the hose through the bag with an airtight connection, taped around the neck nice and tight (but not choking), and still wearing the mask inside the bag? I feel like the seal would allow me to pass out from hypoxia, and if the seal fails after loss of conciousness, the secondary seal of the bag would still suffocate me while I'm passed out anyways.

I suppose you have a bigger and better face mask when you build your own rebreather. A combination of methods will probably be the best suicide method. Yes, a plastic bag over the head when using the rebreather is probably better, I believe this method can work. But if voimiting occurs in the rebreather, maybe the method will fail anyway. When using a plastic bag over the head for suicide, it is the carbon dioxide that will cause panic and the person will remove the bag from the head, but if the person will tape mouth and nose over the head like a mummy, how can that method fail? Maybe no one thought about this method before. But it is terrible that we have to write here for months about suicide, something so important as our own lives. It should be easier to end meaningless human suffering, I hope this will change in the future.

 

[OmgDudeWhatNoWay]

Man, reading these posts make me sad. I have the rebreather, but it's unopened. I was so hopeful and placed a lot of faith in the rebreather, but now I don't know anymore. Maybe I should just use a fucking gun or something.

 

[Greenberg]

Man, reading these posts make me sad. I have the rebreather, but it's unopened. I was so hopeful and placed a lot of faith in the rebreather, but now I don't know anymore. Maybe I should just use a fucking gun or something.

Honestly, I would ask for a refund.

 

[carplad]

Man, reading these posts make me sad. I have the rebreather, but it's unopened. I was so hopeful and placed a lot of faith in the rebreather, but now I don't know anymore. Maybe I should just use a fucking gun or something.

Only 1 person has put a report on here of it being a failure.The parts look shite but I'll give mine a run out soon and post my findings.