This is how it will be to die of R2D Rebreather II

[Trojan]

It may very well work. The science makes sense. Maybe it's a matter of getting the fit right.

 

[Greenberg]

Only 1 person has put a report on here of it being a failure.The parts look shite but I'll give mine a run out soon and post my findings.

When you say "the parts look (like) shit," you mean that the device and/or workmanship is of poor quality, or that the parts themselves are cheap and do not instill confidence? Thank you. Best!

 

[Wrennie]

Only 1 person has put a report on here of it being a failure.The parts look shite but I'll give mine a run out soon and post my findings.

That's so thoughtful of you to offer. You providing your experience would be of much value and incredibly beneficial to the forum

 

[carplad]

When you say "the parts look (like) shit," you mean that the device and/or workmanship is of poor quality, or that the parts themselves are cheap and do not instill confidence? Thank you. Best!

The parts tubes look like they've come from a kids snorkel,Velcro head strap not great.I had to tape together a piece that had separated.As all the parts simply push together I would add extra tape to make sure everything stays together if you're gasping for air.Just my opinion Cheers

 

[NormaJeane]

Having recently attempted to use this device. I must say I do NOT recommend this method. Also note I have recently been ambivalent about taking my life, and I realize that may play a part in my perspective.

Air tight seal: Achieving this is next to impossible. You can get a fairly good seal with the mask and head straps, but once your body begins doing things on its own its much harder. A forceful expulsion on air from your mouth can be sufficient to break the seal. Also if you begin to perspire that might also affect it?

Connections: They are simple plastic and pvc connections, just a male/female connection system, they disconnect easily as there is no latch or screwing mechanism to keep them in place. In order for it to not disconnect, you would need to lie extremely still.

The Lung: I'm not sure of the actual name. I am referring to the plastic bag inside the cardboard box functions as the devices 'air supply'. This is far too small. It makes your breathing feel labored and pressured. A sense of anxiety and hyperventilation sets in. It is not comfortable.

The Canisters: These are meant to scrub the C02 out of the returning air. They may have been working, but the shallowness of the lung was enough to cause panic in the first place.

I tried multiple times. In all attempts the anxiety/ panic of not getting enough air set in very quickly nor did I ever reach a point where I felt like I would pass out, let alone getting light headed.

I believe that you are right when you don´t recommend this method. The R2D Rebreather II looks simple and cheap and the device does not look the same in the video as in reality. The plastic tubes in the video are three, but the R2D Rebreather contains only two plastic tubes. There was some manufacturing defect in the R2D Rebreather which was sold in 2020, so how can we trust R2D Rebreather II? How many minutes did you try this method before you gave up? It may take 4 minutes before unconsciousness will occur. A foolproof suicide method should be to tape mouth and nose with a wide tape over the face and the head like a mummy. There will be no problems with carbon dioxide because it will be impossible to breath. The method is very uncomfortable, but only 2 - 4 minutes when unconsciousness will occur. Death will follow within 15 minutes. The method tejp mouth and nose is 100 percent reliable, cheap and available. Take sleeping pills, cannabis and alcohol in advance.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

The more I look into the R2D the more I am sketched out. What happens if this thing fails mid attempt? How likely is brain damage? The "science" behind it seems theoretical at best. Are there real life success stories?

This thread is steering me more towards N. Initially I was wary due to stories of being scammed but it looks like the best bet for someone with high SI. It is probably not as easy as I am imaging it but it is probably easier than setting up an inert gas contraption or brute force hanging.

 

[LittleJem]

@CanadaFornever thank you for sharing your review, it's helpful to know this method doesn't sound easy

 

[carplad]

The more I look into the R2D the more I am sketched out. What happens if this thing fails mid attempt? How likely is brain damage? The "science" behind it seems theoretical at best. Are there real life success stories?

This thread is steering me more towards N. Initially I was wary due to stories of being scammed but it looks like the best bet for someone with high SI. It is probably not as easy as I am imaging it but it is probably easier than setting up an inert gas contraption or brute force hanging.

Just my opinion,I don't think there would be any damage as you'd simply pull it off for air

 

[NormaJeane]

I am also disappointed. I was thinking of building one myself just to prove that the concept works. But with all the limitations highlighted, I am unsure if it warrants the effort.

Notwithstanding, I do not understand how R2D can release a product that does not work. I mean the scam is so blatant to be unforgivable.

My guess is that the inventor (Avocet) thought he could get away with the hustle by selling "x" number of units before purchasers discover the truth; when they do, he simply closes shop and leaves with the revenues made. Even worse, he might return in the future with another iteration of a new and improved version of the product.

I also place blame on Dr. Nitskche for hyping the product even after successive product introduction failures.

The inventor and the seller have already returned with another new and improved version - from R2D Rebreather (2020) to R2D Rebreather II (2021). If the device does not work, they have fooled a lot of people and earned a lot of money. And worst of all, Dr Philip Nitschke has recommended the device in The Peaceful Pill Handbook. Has anyone else tried to use R2D Rebreather II and failed?

 

[Greenberg]

Yes, Dr. N appears to be very capable of scamming desperate and vulnerable people. @CanadaFornever has already conducted trials and they were failures. I am still awaiting further feedback on the device's efficacy. Has anyone complained to the company?

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Yes, Dr. N appears to be very capable of scamming desperate and vulnerable people. @CanadaFornever has already conducted trials and they were failures. I am still awaiting further feedback on the device's efficacy. Has anyone complained to the company?

I don't think anything will come of it. It is not like PPH or the rebreather are products from legitimate and established enterprises. Even the PPH contains sections that are outdated and no longer relevant.

The rebreather and all its revisions don't seem to work or at least not well enough. Are there any success stories? Or is it just theoretical conjectures? I have decided on N. Inert gas is too complicated for me and this rebreather looks like a scam.

 

[Greenberg]

If that is our collective conclusion, we should post something here (in the Scam section) that the product is indeed a scam so that others would not fail for it again!

 

[Nigh]

How many times can you practice with the rebreather before you need to change the soda lime granules?

 

[Dystopia]

How many times can you practice with the rebreather before you need to change the soda lime granules?

Probably best not to practice. Also this device is worthless I bought the first one and wanted to tell people about it in March but my account was inactive.

Like others have said the device is not working as intended and is more than likely to fail and you will waste your money ordering it.

Even the old version had issues, I did hear on a nutech podcast that one person was found dead from the old debreather by fireman who contacted PN but I'm with @Greenberg on the stance that this was over promoted.

 

[Nigh]

Probably best not to practice. Also this device is worthless I bought the first one and wanted to tell people about it in March but my account was inactive.

Like others have said the device is not working as intended and is more than likely to fail and you will waste your money ordering it.

Even the old version had issues, I did hear on a nutech podcast that one person was found dead from the old debreather by fireman who contacted PN but I'm with @Greenberg on the stance that this was over promoted.

Seems like it may be hit and miss. I've seen other others (people more experienced in this) say they practiced with their own debreather. Would like to do this, but don't know if I can be bothered to keep changing the granules.

 

[Dystopia]

Seems like it may be hit and miss. I've seen other others (people more experienced in this) say they practiced with their own debreather. Would like to do this, but don't know if I can be bothered to keep changing the granules.

Sure, if you make your own then it can work if you know what you're doing. You need a way more secure facemask it seems.

Just saying the r2d debreather is a scam

 

[Greenberg]

Sure, if you make your own then it can work if you know what you're doing. You need a way more secure facemask it seems.

Just saying the r2d debreather is a scam

Yes, the R2D Rebreather is a true scam. The worst part is that Dr. Nitskche is still flogging it as an effective method in the PPeH.

 

[helloitsme]

I wrote to R. Avocet about this and this is the reply he gave me:

The incidence of seizures resulting from hypoxia is not one with which I have any data. The original developer of the Debreather (over 20 years ago) reported no such activity in the people who used his device. I can also not find any literature online that associates hypoxia with inducing of seizures (although there is a lot of literature regarding neonatal hypoxia and seizure). Obviously, seizures would make it difficult to maintain the airtight seal needed to maintain hypoxia until death results, but I do not (yet) have any indication that seizure activity is likely or common under "normal" hypoxic conditions. Still researching this issue, however, just to be thorough. If you have any articles/studies on this issue, please share them with me

There is only one report we know is verified based on contact made by the local fire department who responded to the report of a suicide. They had questions about the contents of the canisters and wanted to confirm that they were safe to handle. (I have since placed labels on the canisters identifying the contents for any responders.)
There are others who had some difficulties getting a good seal, but after walking them through the process, I never heard from them again. That doesn't count as a confirmed success, but I tend to think no news is "good" news in such instances.

 

[Greenberg]

I wrote to R. Avocet about this and this is the reply he gave me:

The incidence of seizures resulting from hypoxia is not one with which I have any data. The original developer of the Debreather (over 20 years ago) reported no such activity in the people who used his device. I can also not find any literature online that associates hypoxia with inducing of seizures (although there is a lot of literature regarding neonatal hypoxia and seizure). Obviously, seizures would make it difficult to maintain the airtight seal needed to maintain hypoxia until death results, but I do not (yet) have any indication that seizure activity is likely or common under "normal" hypoxic conditions. Still researching this issue, however, just to be thorough. If you have any articles/studies on this issue, please share them with me

There is only one report we know is verified based on contact made by the local fire department who responded to the report of a suicide. They had questions about the contents of the canisters and wanted to confirm that they were safe to handle. (I have since placed labels on the canisters identifying the contents for any responders.)
There are others who had some difficulties getting a good seal, but after walking them through the process, I never heard from them again. That doesn't count as a confirmed success, but I tend to think no news is "good" news in such instances.

Unless I am mistaken, the issue here is NOT if the Debreather may result in seizures; instead, the question is the Debreather (produced by R. Avocet) effective at ALL in bringing about CBT. From the excerpt of his reply, he dances around the issue without addressing it. Sounds like BS to me. Best!

 

[tiredoflife1964]

Nine out of 10 attempts were successful and that was with the original 1998 version. I wouldn't exactly call that a 'failed product'.
The current improved version is from 2020 with improved seals and an improved face mask.
Could be that you're using it incorrectly. Or need to breathe more deeply or take a sedative / shots of booze to suppress any feelings of panic.

I have tried the face mask and the chin strap, which felt very uncomfortable on my head, but I could get an airtight seal. The plastic pipes and everything with the R2D Rebreather II looks cheap and I wonder if this method will work. (But maybe it will work.) There must be an airtight seal until death occurs so what happens if the method fails? This is a good business idea for RIGHT2DIE, it seems that no one knows if this device works and people can not complain. But we who have bought the R2D Rebreather II are not stupid, we are only living in an environment where it is difficult to get hold of lethal aids. I am ready to die but I do not dare to use the R2D Rebreather II yet. I wonder, how long will it take before we know if this method works. I want to go to Pegasos in Switzerland and die with the help of a doctor instead, but I have been on sick leave for years because I have chronic pain and sleeping problems so I can not pay for it, I have not been able to save any money. My relatives have money to pay for euthanasia, but they refuse, they want me to suffer until I die of old age in a retirement home, sitting in a wheelchair. Earlier, I wanted to use the method exit bag and sleeping pills, but this method is not recommended anymore. However, to tape over mouth and nose with a wide tape - how can that method fail? It will be painful and uncomfortable, but only for a few minutes.

Pegasos clinic will charge you 10,000 Swiss francs for basically a glass of water with some nembutal powder in it (or liquid Nembutal through an infusion. I kid you not, that's what they charge. and you will need your long form birth certificate and need to take someone who knows you to identify your corpse after. And then there is the cost of the flight, the hotel etc
If the first version of the R2D Debreather twenty years ago killed 9 out of 10 then I don't think the current version can be written off as a failure or a 'scam'. Compared to Pegasus clinic I would prefer to buy the R2D and at least have a go with it to see if I at least feel I am beginning to lose consciousness.
In the tests done on it in USA and Holland the oxygen level did drop very markedly and the CO2 level did not increase significantly, which is what is supposed to happen. with the exit bag the nitrogen is just pushing air (with oxygen in it) out of the bag and replacing what you breathe out.

 

[nautilus]

My first post. Hi folks. Yep... the debreather is a piece of crap. There's no way I would trust it. Using the best fitting of the 3 masks and inflating it properly, I set the whole thing up and tested it for a few minutes. Air gets in easily with a change of head position even when it feels tight at first. Veco straps could easily come undone. List goes on. How on earth Exit endorse it is beyond me.

 

[Wrennie]

My first post. Hi folks. Yep... the debreather is a piece of crap. There's no way I would trust it. Using the best fitting of the 3 masks and inflating it properly, I set the whole thing up and tested it for a few minutes. Air gets in easily with a change of head position even when it feels tight at first. Veco straps could easily come undone. List goes on. How on earth Exit endorse it is beyond me.

Ultimately I suspected as much, but it's still so disheartening to hear outright. I'm so sorry you wasted your time, hope & money on that garbage.

 

[nautilus]

Ultimately I suspected as much, but it's still so disheartening to hear outright. I'm so sorry you wasted your time, hope & money on that garbage.

Yeah... I was naive. I never imagined there'd be problems. T.B.H. It felt somewhat claustrophobic... and once I saw it on me, I knew what I'd suspected all along - the aesthetic isn't for me. But for those not bothered to be found rigged up to such a contraption - if they manage to get it to work - I'm saddened for them.

 

[Greenberg]

My first post. Hi folks. Yep... the debreather is a piece of crap. There's no way I would trust it. Using the best fitting of the 3 masks and inflating it properly, I set the whole thing up and tested it for a few minutes. Air gets in easily with a change of head position even when it feels tight at first. Veco straps could easily come undone. List goes on. How on earth Exit endorse it is beyond me.

I am convinced that Dr. Nitschke has a financial stake in the venture; hence, his continued endorsement when clearly the product is ineffective.

 

[cappuccinogirl]

How long does it take to arrive? Where does it get sent from? Customs charges? Can you open and test fit etc before you try using? Sounds great hopefully if no major drawbacks,... Risks of damage if fails.? Is it quite big? Thanks to anyone for posting their experiences with it. Xx

 

[Dystopia]

How long does it take to arrive? Where does it get sent from? Customs charges? Can you open and test fit etc before you try using? Sounds great hopefully if no major drawbacks,... Risks of damage if fails.? Is it quite big? Thanks to anyone for posting their experiences with it. Xx

Sorry to say but none of these questions are relevant now as the device is fundamentally flawed. I bought one myself (believe I got the first one) and can also confirm as other users have here that it does not work. The seal is just not fit for purpose. The v2 does allow you to test it all before you attach the soda lime which was a good improvement but its just over hyped broken promises at this point.

Should be highlighted more that it doesn't work and be forgotten about imo. It's very frustrating this gave a lot of people hope (myself included) for a long while.

 

[RazzleDazzle]

The airtight seal on the mask is the deal breaker for me. With an exit bag it's not supposed to be airtight, and it's over your whole head and secure around your neck, so even if your position changes and you move around, as long as the tube supplying the inert gas is well inside the bag and secured tightly, you're fine.

With hypoxia, brain damage happens before death. It's one thing if a method doesn't work but you're relatively unscathed after the attempt. I'd really like to avoid trying to ctb and have the attempt fail partway through and be left in worse shape than I was to begin with.

 

[cappuccinogirl]

OH NO. Sounded great on the website. Anyway you could improve seal yourself at all? Attach different mask? So disappointing.... Thanks x

Sorry to say but none of these questions are relevant now as the device is fundamentally flawed. I bought one myself (believe I got the first one) and can also confirm as other users have here that it does not work. The seal is just not fit for purpose. The v2 does allow you to test it all before you attach the soda lime which was a good improvement but its just over hyped broken promises at this point.

Should be highlighted more that it doesn't work and be forgotten about imo. It's very frustrating this gave a lot of people hope (myself included) for a long while.

Gre

The airtight seal on the mask is the deal breaker for me. With an exit bag it's not supposed to be airtight, and it's over your whole head and secure around your neck, so even if your position changes and you move around, as long as the tube supplying the inert gas is well inside the bag and secured tightly, you're fine.

With hypoxia, brain damage happens before death. It's one thing if a method doesn't work but you're relatively unscathed after the attempt. I'd really like to avoid trying to ctb and have the attempt fail partway through and be left in worse shape than I was to begin with.

Thanks. So you mean if you abort an attempt with the exit bag there shouldn't be brain damage? X

 

[RazzleDazzle]

Thanks. So you mean if you abort an attempt with the exit bag there shouldn't be brain damage? X

Oxygen deprivation doesn't cause brain damage until after a person passes out. If you're able to consciously choose to stop the process, from what I understand and from what people have talked about with their own experiences on here, there's no brain damage.

I mean, none of this shit is safe or risk free, you can't exactly safely flirt with death. It's not safe, in general, to deprive oneself of oxygen. But where I can see the rebreather being particularly dangerous is that the mask has to have a completely airtight seal the entire time, or it fails. Involuntary movements shifting the mask, sweat breaking the seal, etc. could cause it to fail after someone has passed out and brain damage has occurred.

 

[sully]

I have tried the face mask and the chin strap, which felt very uncomfortable on my head, but I could get an airtight seal. The plastic pipes and everything with the R2D Rebreather II looks cheap and I wonder if this method will work. (But maybe it will work.) There must be an airtight seal until death occurs so what happens if the method fails? This is a good business idea for RIGHT2DIE, it seems that no one knows if this device works and people can not complain. But we who have bought the R2D Rebreather II are not stupid, we are only living in an environment where it is difficult to get hold of lethal aids. I am ready to die but I do not dare to use the R2D Rebreather II yet. I wonder, how long will it take before we know if this method works. I want to go to Pegasos in Switzerland and die with the help of a doctor instead, but I have been on sick leave for years because I have chronic pain and sleeping problems so I can not pay for it, I have not been able to save any money. My relatives have money to pay for euthanasia, but they refuse, they want me to suffer until I die of old age in a retirement home, sitting in a wheelchair. Earlier, I wanted to use the method exit bag and sleeping pills, but this method is not recommended anymore. However, to tape over mouth and nose with a wide tape - how can that method fail? It will be painful and uncomfortable, but only for a few minutes.

I am in the same situation as you, even worse… but why don't you want to try other methods? N or charcoal burning or SN? This thing is not the only way to ctb…