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checkouttime

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I understand people may be desperate, lonely, have no friends etc and can be vulnerable to people showing them attention. You should still be very careful about what information you give out to people that show you attention or want to be 'friends' on the site.

For starters a so called friend doesn't need to know any sort of personal information whatsoever to be your friend. take me for example, i don't need to know a persons age, where they live, there name or anything like that, just so i talk to them. People will probably offer this information as a away of trying to make you feel more comfortable about talking to them or say stuff like you don't have to tell me if you don't want, sort of guilt tripping you into telling them stuff. I mean the more information you give a person the more chances you have of being 'doxxed'. This happened recently to a member after another member befriended them, this same person had multiple accounts, one even claiming to be a young autistic girl. another members posts were posted all over the site of the groups that are against this website, they even laughed and joked about her suffering when this person CTB, which was partly to do with these so called group of people who are meant to want to 'save' people. they have a funny way of showing it!!!!!

people will make out the reason they want this information, just to make conversation. there are plenty of other subjects to talk about, the weather, where you want to go on holiday, none of which have anything to do with personal stuff. there is ABSOLUTELTY no need whatsoever for a member on here to know your name, address or location. Its of no use to anyone apart from someone with ulterior motives. like i said people can talk to each other without disclosing there life story, one member called me reserved the other day , yeah its called not giving you information like you are trying to get, because some of us can see what's going on. but i understand alot of member aren't always aware of this stuff going on and wouldn't want people to come to any harm. Its happened before and might happen again, but hopefully people will be a bit more aware of exactly what information the give complete strangers. If for instance i say i'm from the UK, in my 40's and called bernard! then people have some info and the area covered is quite large, if i then said i like in london, i'm 45, and called bernard,the net gets smaller. If a person then lives in a small town, possibly has an unusual name,'m sure you get my drift on how much easier it gets possible to be found.

also people may not ask you this information straight away, they may talk to you about other stuff 1st and gain your trust. then start slipping it in later. I REPEAT there is no need for someone have personal information so that you can talk to them on an internet forum.

Another thing is you should always research stuff thoroughly(i know its not always easy and we all want answers straight away, but it will benefit you in the long run), a good place to start would be reading the PPH. that way, when you see posts proclaiming certain things, you will be able to realise if they are true or not. I used to read posts and wonder if they were true or not, so what i did is did alot of research about stuff. now its easy to see through the lies and scare tactics that get posted. these people were at least useful for one thing, they made me determine as ever to search for the truth..........i kind of get the idea this wasn't there aim lol.

There's actually a really good thread about manipulation techniques, its over in the resource section. It was made by a valid long term member who has since CTB.

another thing to watch out for is people posting negative comments all the time about methods, they will claim they are just asking questions, yeah always negative ones lol. Its far easier to see the reason for someone posting a positive post, than the reason for a person posting a negative post(too scare, make you question yourself or something you thought you knew etc). it will always be the same group of people posting the same stuff, if you watch closely you will see the pattern emerges, usually the will be people who repeatedly post over and over, with the same members involved in the thread questioning something or other. Again i would advise research, the people who wrote the PPH have masses of experience in dealing with assisted suicide, the people who post on this site (me included) have NONE. when you want the answer to something you go to an EXPERT, someone with experience of a situation, it shouldn't be any different when looking for the correct answer to questions in regards to CTB.
 
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Victoria

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Fair enough, all good advice but you're advising people many of whom are mentally ill and desperate for friendship, connection and understanding. Intimacy even. We aren't the best at looking out for ourselves, making sensible decisions, following rules and being rational.
 
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Fair enough, all good advice but you're advising people many of whom are mentally ill and desperate for friendship, connection and understanding. Intimacy even. We aren't the best at looking out for ourselves, making sensible decisions, following rules and being rational.

thats why i'm pointing out certain things that can be helpful to watch out for. the main one being don't disclose personal information as it is not needed whatsoever to have a conversation with another person. anyone who says different is talking BS.

I speak to loads of people i never ask their name, where they live, how old they are etc As i don't need to know them things to talk and be friendly with someone. your right some people aren't the best at looking out for themselves, hence why i made the post as i CAN see certain circumstances etc and want to help others :hihi:
 
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I agree, I think this website should simply be used as an anonymous platform to discuss suicide. Obviously on the internet there is bound to be people here and there who do not have good intentions. It is best to always be safe.
 
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checkouttime

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exactly! the reason fro this site is to provide accurate information on methods etc. each individuals can choose what to do with that information, just like we choose to join a suicide website, it shouldn't be a shock to people to discover the things getting talked about!!!!!

These idiots that claim they want to save people, have absolutely no idea about each individual persons situation/circumstance. the reason being every human being is UNIQUE, some people may tell you they can relate to what you are felling, but actually knowing EXACTLY how each individual person feels is impossible, and a person who tells you any different is a liar. why would anyone want help of a person who lies and makes a fake profile and tries to manipulate them? the answer is they wouldn't. We had that situation with Bipolarguy, pretending they cared but had various accounts making various claims that were complete and utter BS, But in they genuinely thought they were doing good lol. Lying to vulnerable people isn't exactly high on my list of a good way to go about something!!!! thing is people think they can 'save' each person because they have been in a similar situation , totally naive. no 2 people are the same, even identical twins aren't identical!!!
 
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Yep, too many suspicious normies around.
This place's really changed, a few years ago it was much more... genuine, I suppose?
 
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checkouttime

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Yep, too many suspicious normies around.
This place's really changed, a few years ago it was much more... genuine, I suppose?

yes i definitely agree. same old people posting the same old negative comment threads, i think they think it goes unnoticed...it might by some, hence the post!!!

There was alot more genuine stuff etc when i first joined, unfortunately alot have CTB using the methods, i learned alot from many of them, which i'm thankful for!
 
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There's actually a really good thread about manipulation techniques, its over in the resource section. It was made by a valid long term member who has since CTB.(This member CTB using SN and no anti e, something that was discussed last year by quite a few long term members)
 
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checkouttime

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I came across a thread made by a moderator and would like to share it with everyone. definitely worth spending time to read, you can even see manipulative, fake profile , pro lifer in action, i have mentioned them in my post i have made on the thread


https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/be-careful-with-the-personal-information-you-post-here.51112/
 
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I've exchanged messages with a couple of members here. I look up their post history first and make an assessment of whether they may be someone who might have strange motives.
 
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checkouttime

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definitely worth doing, as this is a pro choice site obviously people share methods and information on getting sources for certain things., thats exactly what the site is meant for.

there can be alot that post negative comments, constantly questioning the methods and sources etc. this is proof in itself that they work, and these idiots can't even see that. its perfectly fine to question things, but its always best to back it up with proof, as then its extremely helpful for members to see the truth.

I mean when i joined i too was like some of the members and saw negative posts etc and thought hands on am minute i wonder if thats correct. So what did is i downloaded the PPH as these people are EXPERTS in assisted suicide and realised what the real answers were. I also spoke to people on this forum, alot of the older members who have now CTB have provided alot of useful information, you know they are legitimate members as some of the posts are 'stickys'. Obviously these members having there threads made 'sticky's' means that reading other posts they have made, would be a good source of information. then we have the moderators who themselves have helped, one even uploading the PPH for us. Would advise EVERYONE to go and search this information before believing ANYTHING else. I have now purchased both SN, and N and an OTC anti-, its mentioned in the PPH as a choice if you can't get METO etc. there are sites to get prescription anti-e you just have to search the threads, been posted lots of times.

On another note i will show another case of things to be aware of. so i've just ordered another anti-e, its an OTC one. now i don't mind letting people know, i bought it from................ be very careful about what you say next!!! there are plenty of pro life members who will be rubbing there hands together at the though of you giving out such information. If you for instance you tell some one what site you bought it from, and its recent, there's a strong possibility it could be traced. all they have to do is contact the company and ask who bought meto recently, there might not be many people for example and leaves you exposed. These fucking freaks contact all these companies all the time. SO BE VERY CAREFUL what information you give out as you may not realise how it could be used against you. Its ok to share with members sites that things can be bought from, but be careful in what context you give he information out in. to be fair buying an anti-e there are lots of places, and people can search for it themselves. the reality is, these things have been posted about in numerous threads 100's of times, so if a person wants to find the information its already there. people may pretend they are being friendly and just want to know a source, but just be careful as they could have ulterior motives. especially as the info is easily available through a quick search.So i bought my meto from www.godlovesatrier.com

I must admit i have a 'strange' motive i fucking love winding pro lifers up, if only they put as much effort as they do with me, into saving their friends/relatives then they wouldn't have CTB. Not exactly a good start in showing people you are suitable in helping them out, Its kind of like asking a peadophile to look after your kids!!!
 
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logan

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I definitely agree with you.

The age is sometimes quite helpful to better assess the situation of the person concerned.

Many other personal things are better not posted.
 
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checkouttime

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I don't personally judge people on age, every person is an adult. I mean i'm not on social media or anything like that, use a computer at a so i'm not too arsed about certain details. but i'm not advising anyone to follow suit,

Problem is with giving out your age, is it can leave you open to being vulnerable. People prey on the younger ones as they are seen as more vulnerable, less experienced with certain circumstances. They give out a small amount of info, a person uses it to chat about cool things that young people like, next thing they think they have a bond and before you know it they are giving out all sorts of information to their new 'friend'. kind of part of the reason i made the post, as i know there are vulnerable people out there and they should be aware of them.

I mean personally i will talk to anyone and never ask them anything personal, they can still talk to me about certain illness or conditions without me having to know personal stuff. there's agood post made by the moderator, i have posted in one of my previous posts. i mean they have bee n about since way before me, they know how to run the site and keep us safe :)

I know people may think small details may be insignificant, but as we have seen with members who have been 'doxxed' by pro-lifers, these small things can lead to much LARGER things! I just want people to be safe from this stuff happening to them, last thing they need is more anxiety and pain and to suffer, by making an easy mistake.

Its totally possible to talk to any person about ANYTHING without knowing any of the things mentioned. I'm sure some members might not have friends etc, these are vulnerable people, the sort that could be preyed on. they need to know that it isn't a site for a normal type of friend to be made, where you let people know personal stuff. that stuffs for social media etc,(i might add do not add people from here on your social media ,if you have it,, very unwise!!!). I know lots of people might want to make friends and chat, but again i repeat its perfectly possible to chat and get along with people with out knowing alot of specific things about a person. Were not on social media here, there are people trying to gain information in order to 'dox' people, it isn't a myth, its REAL stuff that there are threads about and members that have CTB due to it happening to them.
 
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