prototypian

prototypian

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Two reasons really:

1) accountability in a debt-driven world is the only way to keep debt circulating. If individuals could actually forge new identities and wipe away their past there would be much higher risk of losing the debt-driven economy. Your only value is that your identity is accountable to ensure that debt is paid. Debt is assigned by birth. It has to be paid for the society to work.


2) society has created a moral outrage to the one permanent out that a human can have in their debt. Suicide permanently removes an individual from the accountability. The key thing that has limited this and it will probably change someday is that society can't assign the accountability for a person who commits suicide to their friends and relatives. Once that starts then it will be fine for individuals to commit suicide. The moral outrage to suicide will disappear once they see that there is an option to transfer accountability of debt, production output, contributions to society, taxes and even advertising eye work to your acquaintances in a quote. At that point it will be fine to commit suicide.

consider a criminal: the worst thing in the world to the justice system would be that a criminal commits suicide before the punishment is extracted. Enormous effort goes into preventing this whether the outcome is capital punishment, incarceration or fines. Society values that accountability more than anything else in a person.

Our world wants to assign fault and then exact retribution. Suicide is a form of "getting away with it" often called a "cowards way out". That statement is always said by those who want accountability.

Almost nothing upsets the world of society more than forgiveness. Try bringing up debt forgiveness around any group of successful people. The very words are blasphemy. The same thing for forgiveness in criminal offenses. Society must extract accountability for offenses.

This is the rise of angry Karen's, of bullies in politics, of conservative values. It's a deep seated desire to hold accountability as the element of worship in a church of debt. The world of music is filled with angry songs of upset people in relationships crying for anger and desiring that the cause of the heartache "feel the pain".

In all of these cases, the most powerful thing an accountable offender could do is to take away all of that accountability with a permanent removal of their life with no means of ever extracting that retribution.
 
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Infinite Solipsist

Infinite Solipsist

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The key thing that has limited this and it will probably change someday is that society can't assign the accountability for a person who commits suicide to their friends and relatives. Once that starts then it will be fine for individuals to commit suicide. The moral outrage to suicide will disappear once they see that there is an option to transfer accountability of debt, production output, contributions to society, taxes and even advertising eye work to your acquaintances in a quote. At that point it will be fine to commit suicide.
I don't think suicide is something that could ever be normalized in an industrialized nation regardless of factors like religion or accountability. As you said, it circumvents production. The chosen few at the top need all the slaves they can get. A living person is still far more valuable than if that same person's contributions were transferred to someone else because that person's contributions (energy) could never be transferred to another without some amount of loss. Also, don't underestimate the power of religious fervor. They believe that destroying oneself is denying God's plan and authority (for some reason) but I agree with you. I've struggled for 15 minutes and can't think of any better ways to deny accountability for wrongdoings or failures. Although, accepting accountability is still an option---just usually not a good option.
 

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