There has got to be a better way

[sohopelessandempty]

Sorry if this sounds stupid I have been too tired to look into it all but, euthanasia is painless right? Just heavily restricted by the government. What drug do they use for that, Nembutal? Or whatever it is, or multiple idk. Whatever they use is obviously illegal for the average person to have but there has GOT to be a way. However, even when I hear about the dark web, people say anyone who claims to sell euthanasia drugs is lying. I once saw someone say Nembutal isn't even being made anymore. But like really? I just find it hard to believe, it HAS to exist somewhere there has to be some way to get euthanasia without going the long, tedious medical route that doesn't even guarantee it anyway. And depending on location, someone may even have to travel just for the CHANCE of getting it the legal way. There has to be another way. Please tell me there's another way. People shouldn't have to resort to painful methods just because we don't have access to the painless route :( I think we've all suffered enough. If you're even on SaSu you've suffered enough. Why should I have to go out in pain on top of that? So obviously I'm still alive, and the only choices 99% of suicidal people have is to live(suffer), or attempt suicide(risk of suffering regardless of method, and risk of permanent damage if you survive)

 

[hurts2b]

There's no easy way out. There is no painless route.
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If there was everyone would've taken it already. This forum would be far less populated.

If a pill of painless death was possible and obtainable everyone here would have done it. Even govt issued euthanasia isn't painless. Lots criminal execution happens under paralytics that make pain is invisible and inexpressible.

Death promises the end of pain all together. It doesn't promise an easy way out of current suffering.

You yourself have to weigh wether immense acute pain is worth (possible) permanent relief. It's okay to choose life. It's okay to choose death. Both states are morally fine. But the choice itself is wrapped up in HUGE personal stakes and potential suffering.

Not all death is made equal, obviously. But no chemical guarantees an "easy slip" away from life.


Tangentially related, but in drug culture they talk a lot about set and setting. All drug experiences are influenced by our mindsets and by the environment around us. I imagine the same principal applies to drugs and poisons that cause death more directly.

Long rant but. All decisions come with risks and benefits. It's up to the individual to decide what's worth the potentially trouble.

 

[sohopelessandempty]

There's no easy way out. There is no painless route.
to
If there was everyone would've taken it already. This forum would be far less populated.

If a pill of painless death was possible and obtainable everyone here would have done it. Even govt issued euthanasia isn't painless. Lots criminal execution happens under paralytics that make pain is invisible and inexpressible.

Death promises the end of pain all together. It doesn't promise an easy way out of current suffering.

You yourself have to weigh wether immense acute pain is worth (possible) permanent relief. It's okay to choose life. It's okay to choose death. Both states are morally fine. But the choice itself is wrapped up in HUGE personal stakes and potential suffering.

Not all death is made equal, obviously. But no chemical guarantees an "easy slip" away from life.


Tangentially related, but in drug culture they talk a lot about set and setting. All drug experiences are influenced by our mindsets and by the environment around us. I imagine the same principal applies to drugs and poisons that cause death more directly.

Long rant but. All decisions come with risks and benefits. It's up to the individual to decide what's worth the potentially trouble.

Wait EUTHANASIA ISN'T PAINLESS?!?!?!? I've always heard that it was, isn't that the whole point? Don't they put you to sleep and then kill you with drugs and you don't feel a thing? Ugh I wish there was a painless way. I know deep down you're right but I don't want to believe it. I'm in denial. Why is it so difficult to end our suffering? It's as if the world wants us to suffer. To be in pain. Why? What's the point? Haven't we suffered enough? It feels inhumane to me. Unfortunately the painful route isn't worth the trouble for me.

 

[hurts2b]

Wait EUTHANASIA ISN'T PAINLESS?!?!?!? I've always heard that it was, isn't that the whole point? Don't they put you to sleep and then kill you with drugs and you don't feel a thing? Ugh I wish there was a painless way. I know deep down you're right but I don't want to believe it. I'm in denial. Why is it so difficult to end our suffering? It's as if the world wants us to suffer. To be in pain. Why? What's the point? Haven't we suffered enough? It feels inhumane to me. Unfortunately the painful route isn't worth the trouble for me.

They often put you in a coma-like state for end of life euthesia. The patient is asleep on some level, but that doesn't mean they're experiencing no pain at all. Asleep people can have nightmares and can experience trauma in the real world.
For example, many people are raped in their sleep unknowingly but still experience trauma after they wake, only to discover that they were raped, years later.

In the case of criminal euthanasia, they almost always deliver a paralytic so it's impossible to know if the patient is actually aware of not.

Obviously the chemicals used depend on where you live in the world. But currently no country can reliably deliver a death without pain.

As for why this world wants us to suffer.... I can't say. I think it's just that most social systems assume suicide is unnatural and correctable. All while not guaranteeing anyone a comfortable standard of life.

I do think a better world is possible. But probably not anytime soon.

 

[sohopelessandempty]

They often put you in a coma-like state for end of life euthesia. The patient is asleep on some level, but that doesn't mean they're experiencing no pain at all. Asleep people can have nightmares and can experience trauma in the real world.
For example, many people are raped in their sleep unknowingly but still experience trauma after they wake, only to discover that they were raped, years later.

In the case of criminal euthanasia, they almost always deliver a paralytic so it's impossible to know if the patient is actually aware of not.

As for why this world wants us to suffer.... I can't say. I think it's just that most social systems assume suicide is unnatural and correctable. All while not guaranteeing anyone a comfortable standard of life.

I do think a better world is possible. But probably not anytime soon.

A better world is physically possible, but I feel it will never truly happen regardless sadly. Also about the sleep thing, I get that however there is no time to make the discovery if the person never wakes up. But if euthanasia isn't even painless, why do people apply instead of just doing the methods on here if it's all painful anyway?

 

[chudcell]

The most painless way is Ronnie mcnutt style

 

[Aflame5926]

I guess its to make it social acceptable a little bit and also able to say good bye to your loved ones. instead of them calling the cops on you.
also if you are extremely sick you might not be able to collect the medicines

 

[sohopelessandempty]

The most painless way is Ronnie mcnutt style

What the hell does that mean lol

I guess its to make it social acceptable a little bit and also able to say good bye to your loved ones. instead of them calling the cops on you.
also if you are extremely sick you might not be able to collect the medicines

Wait this is such a smart answer thank you

 

[chudcell]

What the hell does that mean lol

Guy who blew his head off with a rifle

 

[Aflame5926]

Guy who blew his head off with a rifle

i guess profile pic match your answer

 

[hurts2b]

A better world is physically possible, but I feel it will never truly happen regardless sadly. Also about the sleep thing, I get that however there is no time to make the discovery if the person never wakes up. But if euthanasia isn't even painless, why do people apply instead of just doing the methods on here if it's all painful anyway?

Again, set and setting. Dying in your 80s surrounded by loved ones and with cherished memories is very different from dying under the same chemicals in your 20s, after having lived a short life of lonliness and misery.

Terminally ill people choose assisted suicide because they hope it'll be better from death due to decline and illness, not because it actually is. It also offers them some amount of certainty and control. Knowing you'll die on X date is a lot more comforting than knowing you'll die at "some point" in the next few months, for many.

As you say, there's no time to make the discovery, so we're all just guessing. The comfort of euthanasia is mostly psychological I think.