SmollMushroom

SmollMushroom

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Sep 27, 2023
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Okay so I kinda expected that.
First of all some context: Post 1 - Post 2

We recently had a discussion during our appointment, where I confronted him about what I was complaining about in Post 1 and Post 2. It didn't go well.
He stood on his positions, still considering my messages trivial and still complaining about the couple of messages I sent him in night time (this happened only once in about 2 months).

At some point I just wanted to move on from the subject since there was no way to change their mind, I didn't see him for quite a bit and I wanted to talk about some stuff happened to me recently but I looked at the clock and we were already halfway through the session. So I said: "I would have liked to talk about X stuff, but we are already halfway through and you are the only one talking..."

Man he got pissed. He didn't even make me finish, he said: "Okay we are done".
But I didn't want to (reasons in previous posts), but from that point on he was very distant - just answering anything I said with a bland "okay".
So I called 'em out on that again, saying that it looked to me like he already took a decision. And I also told him that he was quite thin-skinned, if he got offended for such a little thing.
Then things kept going downhill...
I asked him if he ever even helped anyone and that I would have liked to have a chat with them...
He told me: Now I'll make you mad, but truth is that you stay all day sitting in your house doing nothing [...] (I have hikikomori syndrome and I'm a recluse).

I told him I am the patient and I should be able to vent if I want to. He disagreed on that too.
He said that if that was what I was looking for I should have searched somewhere else.

So now he wants me to change therapist.
He said that I cannot expect a therapist to change their ways to please me (I think that's a valid point), but still they could make a little effort to make things work, right?

Instead, it looks to me like he doesn't give a fuck about me and he has no empathy.
So I told him that too... He said I should stay away from therapists that show compassion/empathy because they only take your money without trying to solve any issue.
And I asked him: "Then what did YOU do to help me?" But his reply was vague and incoherent.

Also he speaks all fancy to sound important, and I called them out on that too... So I was often interrupting him saying: "Define: X, define: N", because I wasn't understanding half of what he was saying.
So in the end he said: "Well you speak English (I used some English terms to name some of my issues - English not my main language), so why is that a problem if I speak like this?"
Dude he is so passive-aggressive. Fucking stubborn passive-aggressive old fart. Jesus.

So in the end I wasted the whole session arguing with a stubborn old man. I hate that old men are all so fucking stubborn.

I sent them a long message afterwards, repeating myself on the fact that I feel he is completely detached from my case, also quoting some of his speech as proof.
He just answered me that if that is how I feel, then I should change therapist -.-"

It bothers me soo much that he is clearly not even trying but he doesn't admit it, and he is putting it in a way where he's trying to make me feel like I'm the one quitting. It pisses me off so fucking much.
If he has a problem with me (which is clear at this point), at least SAY IT. Have the balls to admit it. Say you weren't good enough. But he won't because of his huge EGO.

Also I can't really drop him, if I do, my family wants to put me in a mental health facility and that shit scares me.
Worst part, the therapist knows it.
What do I do? How do I reconciliate with this stubborn, passive-aggressive, egocentric old fart? Any ideas? Please. Open to other suggestions too. I really can't deal with people.
 
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It sounds pretty clearly (also from your other posts) like you both don't have a good therapeutic relationship. I know it's not what anyone wants to hear, but if you want to live, I can only advise you to actually find another therapist. Seriously. A bad therapeutic relationship just doesn't benefit you, it can only make things so much worse.

Don't do it because he suggests it, do it for your own sake.

You are also stuck on a strange, personal meta-level (as these passive-aggressive remarks imply), which I also know from my former complicated therapeutic relationship. In my experience, besides the headaches ABOUT the therapist (instead of actually doing therapy), this is already a clear sign that the relationship is not working.

Can you talk to your family about it? That you don't get along with the therapist and would like to find a new one (if that's what you want)? What if you said you'd rather see a female therapist? I think this request is quite valid.
 
SmollMushroom

SmollMushroom

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Can you talk to your family about it? That you don't get along with the therapist and would like to find a new one (if that's what you want)? What if you said you'd rather see a female therapist? I think this request is quite valid.
I had previous therapists with whom I was doing just fine - but my family put their nose in it and claimed they were of no help.
Asking to change back to one of them is out of question, but even asking for a new one would not be possible.
They are now convinced that my only option is not going to a therapist but directly into a mental health facility (or wards).
My hope was that this guy helped me, but his method (if so we wanna call it) hasn't worked at all.

You are also stuck on a strange, personal meta-level (as these passive-aggressive remarks imply), which I also know from my former complicated therapeutic relationship. In my experience, besides the headaches ABOUT the therapist (instead of actually doing therapy), this is already a clear sign that the relationship is not working.
Yeah establishing good relationships with people has always been a problem for me, one that I immediately explained to the therapist.
Seeing him so detached, unempathetic and not interested in my situation mostly because of how poorly I socially interacted with him in what should have been a 'safe space' left me with many questions. Also this is the first time I don't find myself well with a therapist.

By the way you type, you also believe in good/bad therapy relationships?
Because, can you see how, from my pov, that sounds like a really cheap excuse to just discard a patient, right?
If our relationship is bad, why not working on it? Why not talking about it? I don't really understand this part.
Unless it's an extreme situation (like a patient assaulting their therapist), I can't really see that as a good reason right now.
 
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Finding a professional that you are comfortable with, able to speak freely and honestly with, in whom you can trust and exists a mutual respect is never a given. In the same way that we can't be friends with everybody and anyone, anyone should be able to ask to see someone else. Do your family demand you spend your life with someone they picked out for you? Threatening to commit you to a convent/monastery if not? I'm not sure where you are (and there's no need to say), but in this day and age there are very few places where your relatives can still dispose of the craaaazzzy person. You might want to check the legality of their threats.
 
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Unless you aren't an adult they cannot put you in a mental hospital without your consent and even then if you get pressured to go in you can always leave whenever you want. I had a friend and his brother try to get me to a mental hospital but they couldn't do it because I am 23 lol. I told them that too and they knew that their bluffs and threats weren't working so they gave up luckily they even had the cops called on me and all you have to do is make sure not to say you are about to kill yourself and boom you are good there too.
 
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Unless you aren't an adult they cannot put you in a mental hospital without your consent and even then if you get pressured to go in you can always leave whenever you want. I had a friend and his brother try to get me to a mental hospital but they couldn't do it because I am 23 lol. I told them that too and they knew that their bluffs and threats weren't working so they gave up luckily they even had the cops called on me and all you have to do is make sure not to say you are about to kill yourself and boom you are good there too.
What you are saying is not true atleast in America. Adults can absolutely be forced to go to mental hospitals and even if you go by choice you are at the mercy of the doctor to when they let you leave.
 
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What you are saying is not true atleast in America. Adults can absolutely be forced to go to mental hospitals and even if you go by choice you are at the mercy of the doctor to when they let you leave.
In America I've had this happen to me personally when they tried you just need to make sure to hold yourself to a standard when talking to people. When I was talking to those cops I was even high as well. But also my friend got admitted to a mental hospital and his dad himself told me since he was an adult he was able to just leave whenever in which he did unless you opt into going into a suicide watch for 3 days which is different since you made that decision
 
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In America I've had this happen to me personally when they tried you just need to make sure to hold yourself to a standard when talking to people. When I was talking to those cops I was even high as well. But also my friend got admitted to a mental hospital and his dad himself told me since he was an adult he was able to just leave whenever in which he did unless you opt into going into a suicide watch for 3 days which is different since you made that decision
You can be told by a judge to go. Also once you are there, even by choice, you are at their mercy. I went to one by choice dude. You can't leave until they let you. There are literal guards.
 
fallintotheshadows

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Well seems you have to be more careful unfortunately at the start because nobody was able to get me or my friend to stay there.
 
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Well seems you have to be more careful unfortunately at the start because nobody was able to get me or my friend to stay there.
If you don't tell any doctors you are suicidal and you don't get sentenced you can avoid it.
 
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If

If you don't tell any doctors you are suicidal and you don't get sentenced you can avoid it.
In order for them to sentence you they need to prove you are either a danger to others or yourself which is why I say you need to be careful with what you say and what you do from the getgo when speaking to friends family or even police or doctors/therapists
 
EternalShore

EternalShore

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Jun 9, 2023
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directly into a mental health facility (or wards).
If they really want that, tell them to pay for it! :/ Also, why the heck won't they let you change back!? So cruel! >_<
Like yeahhh, your current therapist may be good for others (basically, his point), but he's clearly not good for you, and you really deserve a better one! Or better, none at all!
Also, why the heck is your own family trying to send you to a ward!? That on its own is cruel as heck!
 
SmollMushroom

SmollMushroom

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Sep 27, 2023
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[[[UPDATE BTW]]]

He officially interrupted our 'therapeutic relationship' and after dismissing me, he blocked me on the App we were using to chat.
Now I can't even tell him what to say about our sessions to my family (because he immediately blocked me)
(And yes, my family will want to know why the relationship has been interrupted)...

Also I was right, he wanted to make me feel guilty about the fact that the thing didn't work out.
As a last message, he told me that I should learn from this experience to better control my reactions.

So I was right, he actually got offended by me confronting him and everything I wrote in my previous posts.

As a last message I told him he was projecting that feeling of overreacting on me, because I wasn't the one wanting to end the relationship. He didn't answer and blocked me afterwards.

Note that I never called them names directly. (I mean I did in this forum because he is a stubborn, prideful old fart).
The only extra thing I told him was that, maybe once one gets old they lose their passion about their work and they'd rather not put any effort in it, especially when things get difficult. (He didn't flinch at that comment and just confirmed he wanted to stop the therapeutic relationship).

If only the thing lasted until my SN arrived... Now I'm a bit panicking...
I need to find a way to convince my family to try another therapist... I need more time...
This fucking asshole dude... Was blocking me really that necessary?
Also I tried sending him a normal message with the instructions to what to say to may family... He didn't answer and have no clue if he read it.

I'm open to suggestions.

Also, why the heck is your own family trying to send you to a ward!? That on its own is cruel as heck!
Because they see that as my only way of getting out from my situation, and they are convinced that a therapist is not enough for me.

Finding a professional that you are comfortable with, able to speak freely and honestly with, in whom you can trust and exists a mutual respect is never a given. In the same way that we can't be friends with everybody and anyone, anyone should be able to ask to see someone else. Do your family demand you spend your life with someone they picked out for you? Threatening to commit you to a convent/monastery if not? I'm not sure where you are (and there's no need to say), but in this day and age there are very few places where your relatives can still dispose of the craaaazzzy person. You might want to check the legality of their threats.
Everything you said is true, but I economically depend on my family. Context here.
 
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SmollMushroom

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[[[UPDATE AGAIN]]]

I didn't really want to make another thread since this is only an update but I need to vent!
This bitch of a therapist blocked me but had an agreement with my family to communicate with them about the reasons why they dropped me.

Considering how he acted I'm fucking worried he may take revenge and say rotten stuff about me!
I know it should be illegal, but let's be fucking real I'm a recluse neet, I don't even know where to start to find a lawyer and sue him and he knows that.

And today my family were already speaking about sending me to a ward because therapy has done nothing for me - tomorrow that guy will struck the final blow. FFS.
And I know he will because he's been such a little thin-skinned bitch. FUCK.

I don't wanna be sent to a ward... ;-;


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Jun 9, 2023
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[[[UPDATE AGAIN]]]

I didn't really want to make another thread since this is only an update but I need to vent!
This bitch of a therapist blocked me but had an agreement with my family to communicate with them about the reasons why they dropped me.

Considering how he acted I'm fucking worried he may take revenge and say rotten stuff about me!
I know it should be illegal, but let's be fucking real I'm a recluse neet, I don't even know where to start to find a lawyer and sue him and he knows that.

And today my family were already speaking about sending me to a ward because therapy has done nothing for me - tomorrow that guy will struck the final blow. FFS.
And I know he will because he's been such a little thin-skinned bitch. FUCK.

I don't wanna be sent to a ward... ;-;


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oh no! >_< Tell your family about him, his behavior, and your fears first?
 
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SmollMushroom

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oh no! >_< Tell your family about him, his behavior, and your fears first?
I did!! I already explained the situation! But there were some details I had to omit..! Like... The part when I was venting about my family with him! ;-;
If he says I don't love them (which is not entirely true) but kinda... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
He could also just say that I am fine ~ which is not true at all, it's just his opinion. I've been to others therapists who said quite the opposite!
But he was the kinda guy that says you're ok unless they see you in wheelchair, I guess.

And my family will surely trust more him than me because he's a doctor...

I'm fucked.
 
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