The vice article

[Nymph]

This part bugs me so much:

That's not good enough for Bieber. "You can't say things without there being a consequence," she said. "There is liability for this. Someone is responsible for this. That would be like me going up to somebody on a bridge and say, 'Hey, congratulations. Good luck.' You just don't…you help save their life. I'll just keep fighting to get them all shut down. If it takes my entire life, I will."
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save their life?? They don't want to be saved. They want to escape life, that's why they're ctbing—-hello??? Make it make sense.
I hate pro lifers so much, why are you forcing a person to stay alive when they hate life so damn much. They don't want to live, they don't want to be here, they want to die. Can you respect other people's decisions? Why are you getting into other people's business. Just stop. Why why why are people so annoying
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Bart Andrews, a clinical psychologist and vice president of clinical operations at Behavioral Health Response in St. Louis and a suicide attempt survivor, said that he thinks that's the opposite of what's going on at Suicide Solution. "Those folks are actively encouraging, supporting, people ending their life," he said.
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No one here is encouraging people to end their life. This is a resource, a safe place to discuss suicide and search for info. We simply respect other people's decisions.


this article makes me so madddd, damn pro lifers. We are free and can do what we want with our life, some of us are miserable, in pain, have horrible mental health and are just not doing well in life. Death is not a bad thing, it's an escape from this shitty world. Also I feel like they put all the negative stuff at the beginning to make people feel bad for the death of the kid and they only talked about the positive sides on the end-which most probably won't get to.

 

[CoalmineCanary]

I thought the movie "The Incredibles" was a interesting commentary on our society.

Your post just reminded me of this scene of a guy suing a super for saving his life:

 

[Nymph]

I thought the movie "The Incredibles" was a interesting commentary on our society.

Your post just reminded me of this scene of a guy suing a super for saving his life:

Lmao

 

[CoalmineCanary]

Lmao

I'm glad that made you laff.

 

[Fragile]

Fucking vice, this is yet another clearly emotionally manipulative article written by a complete hack, like all vice writers nowadays. What happened to the great documentaries that they used to produce?

Here's a small list of other articles that this clown has written, notice that it's the same blog-style, highly biased and clearly misleading titles:

• Pedophilia Is a Mental Health Issue. It's Still Not Treated as One
• Your Poop Might Be Key For Predicting the End of the Pandemic
• Texting My Mom Photos of My Dinner Is How I Tell Her I'm Okay
• The Movement Against Psychiatry
• Brain Science Is Ignoring Left-Handed People
• Is Racism a Mental Illness?

And add to that a whole collection of articles about how you should totally take hard psychedelics to help your mental health™, muh non peer reviewed studies from real scientists are proof of that!

I have no clue why are the progressives so against suicide and the right to take decisions about your life. Like, these people should be the ones who truly understand how someone who posts on a pro-choice forum feels, but they are always the first to condemn these places while simultaneously talking about how bad life is right now and how much despair there is on the world. Always with the double standards these clowns. But don't worry guys, we'll leave the famous hotline number here, you can either get ignored or sent to a mental health facility against your will. -pats herself in the back-

So, if you haven't realized it yet, being pro-life on suicide is the woke thing to do now apparently.

Seriously, FUCK VICE MAGAZINE and the people who take them seriously.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

I see that this turd finally dropped. I browsed through it and it's a rather long article. There were alot of parts that were rehashed from other articles I've read. I'll dig through the rest later on.

Here's the link if anyone needs it.

People Are Dying After Joining a 'Pro-Choice' Suicide Forum

How much is the site to blame?

www.google.com

 

[Nymph]

Fucking vice, this is yet another clearly emotionally manipulative article written by a complete hack, like all vice writers nowadays. What happened to the great documentaries that they used to produce?

Here's a small list of other articles that this clown has written, notice that it's the same blog-style, highly biased and clearly misleading titles:

• Pedophilia Is a Mental Health Issue. It's Still Not Treated as One
• Your Poop Might Be Key For Predicting the End of the Pandemic
• Texting My Mom Photos of My Dinner Is How I Tell Her I'm Okay
• The Movement Against Psychiatry
• Brain Science Is Ignoring Left-Handed People
• Is Racism a Mental Illness?

And add to that a whole collection of articles about how you should totally take hard psychedelics to help your mental health™, muh non peer reviewed studies from real scientists are proof of that!

I have no clue why are the progressives so against suicide and the right to take decisions about your life. Like, these people should be the ones who truly understand how someone who posts on a pro-choice forum, but they are always the first to condemn these places while simultaneously talking about how bad life is right now and how much despair there is on the world. Always with the double standards these clowns. But don't worry guys, we'll leave the famous hotline number here, you can either get ignored or sent to a mental health facility against your will. -pats herself in the back-

So, if you haven't realized it yet, being pro-life on suicide is the woke thing to do now apparently.

Seriously, FUCK VICE MAGAZINE and the people who take them seriously.

Yep, the start was just manipulation. Fuck vice :(

 

[262653]

People who try to dissuade others from suicide on Suicide Solution can be accused of being "pro-life," meaning they aren't respecting another's choice to die.

I think the more precise term would be anti-suicide (or anti-choice). I can imagine a scenario of a pro-life stance that doesn't restrict individual choices. Imagine (in a parallel universe) mental health services providing voluntary treatment. Offering suicidal people a consent form which they can sign and MHS will proceed with the treatment plan or whatever, and refusal to sign the form means leaving suicidal people in peace. "Hey, you can sign this form and we will treat you, or you can refuse to sign it and we will leave you alone. We won't provide you with means or information on suicide methods or anything like that."

You know, I've recently learned that the terms ultimate causation and proximate causation are also applied outside biology. They form some sort of a spectrum.

Example: why did he killed himself?
Proximate: because he drank poison.
Less proximate: because someone sold him posion.
Even less proximate: because he found about that poison from a particular website.
Now, one could go deeper, and ask why the website exists, or why people are looking for it, or why people become suicidal, or why very bad things happen to people...

Or we could just stop at the website, really.

All in all, the article is ripe with emotional appeals and some journalistic tricks the names of which I don't know.
Example of the trick #1: They (I'm assuming site owners) are lenient in allowing users to talk about how exactly to kill yourself.
Lenient is a key word.
It could be said more neutral: They allow users to talk about how exactly to kill yourself.
Or the trick used to present the site more favorably: They allow users to talk freely about how exactly to kill yourself. (We could also add: without getting banned, or without fear of persecution.)

Trick #2: The first two paragraphs serve as an emotional appeal. (The similar trick is used in some films, where the protagonist has a nice life which suddenly ends by a bunch of lowly criminals, who might serve as antagonists. Think of Batman, where the parents of the protagonist are killed when he was a kid. Or think of Law Abiding Citizen where the protagonist is a family guy, everything is nice, and then people come to his home and kill his wife and daughter.)
Some person was a nice guy, all rainbow, sunshine and unicorns. Everything's great (wow, so good ) perfect and wonderful and amazing. Everything is so fucking good.
And then they say how that guy suicides (no! how could it happen? *negative emotions rise, like sadness*), and mention a website (sadness transforms into anger now that we have a target) as if his suicide was uncalled for, and its causal link ends with the website.

Not that I'm surprised. I'm used to think that the essential part of journalism is to present certain situations and ideas in a certain light, with the intention to incite a certain response in the readers/listeners. I'm from Ukraine, and the local media talks about Russia either bad things or nothing at all. This isn't about the truth, about how the things are, but about the intentions of those who control what appears on the media and what doesn't.

Just like behind my response there is intention. I think it's probable that you don't know what my intentions are. (I think it's about just as probable that you don't care.) I don't know either and I don't feel like introspecting right now... damn, the post turned out to be longer than I've anticipated earlier.

 

[Konjac]

Without even starting on how emotionally manipulative and biased this article is, thank fuck they at least had the decency to not use the website's actual name. The last thing we need is even more pro-lifers raiding our community... but I'm worried that even without directly naming us, they'll still figure out a way to come for us. I wish they put as much effort into actually helping people as they do trying to take away what for many of us is our only source of support.

Just pro-lifers being pro-lifers.

 

[Nymph]

Without even starting on how emotionally manipulative and biased this article is, thank fuck they at least had the decency to not use the website's actual name. The last thing we need is even more pro-lifers raiding our community... but I'm worried that even without directly naming us, they'll still figure out a way to come for us. I wish they put as much effort into actually helping people as they do trying to take away what for many of us is our only source of support.

Just pro-lifers being pro-lifers.

The name is still pretty close and it's not hard to find this site. I do expect a wave of pro lifers visiting:(

 

[Brick In The Wall]

The name is still pretty close and it's not hard to find this site. I do expect a wave of pro lifers visiting:(

It happens periodically every few months anyways. Watch how fast our so called "incompetent" mods ban them. This will be good practice for our new mods as well.

 

[GravityUtilizer]

I do appreciate this line at least: '[the forum] can be viewed... as... an effect of a society that isn't meeting the needs of suicidal people.' At least I would if it wasn't a part of the same sentence as the usual pro-life crap (paragraph 11; I'll read the rest later).

 

[demuic]

Lol, I feel a bit slow because I was like "wtf is Suicide Solution?" I didn't realize they were talking about...us!

More self-righteous pro-lifers who think they know better than the people who are actually living their lives. They truly disgust me. Vice has been absolute trash for a long time now.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

That's a pretty hilarious name, even if it is a blatant misrepresentation.

 

[omoidarui]

I actually find the article to be fair except this

it makes sense to think that if we just control all the information online about suicide, then people won't die by suicide anymore.

(－‸ლ)

 

[waived]

 

[_Kaira_]

I actually find the article to be fair except this



(－‸ლ)

Suicide didn't exist before the internet, don't you know?

 

[Silvermorning]

Suicide didn't exist before the internet, don't you know?

and if somebody jumps in front of a train and loses both legs(because lack of information and methods) it's all good and dandy too;
, cause life is a gift, yeah, sure.

 

[262653]

I actually find the article to be fair except this

it makes sense to think that if we just control all the information online about suicide, then people won't die by suicide anymore.

(－‸ლ)

LOL nice finding, I only managed to read the first third yesterday, and then I went to sleep.
Here's the one from me: Most people who die by suicide weren't a part of SS community. The experts argue that, in order to reduce the overall suicide rates, it is crucial for more suicidal people to become a part of SS community.

 

[Lupgevif]

Bart Andrews, a clinical psychologist and vice president of clinical operations at Behavioral Health Response in St. Louis and a suicide attempt survivor, said that he thinks that's the opposite of what's going on at Suicide Solution. "Those folks are actively encouraging, supporting, people ending their life," he said.

That's what psychologists do, they think they own the absolute truth and their vision is never wrong, they think they are the only valid resource for mental health out there, anyone or anything else is wrong.

Lol, I feel a bit slow because I was like "wtf is Suicide Solution?" I didn't realize they were talking about...us!

More self-righteous pro-lifers who think they know better than the people who are actually living their lives. They truly disgust me. Vice has been absolute trash for a long time now.

In the same article they say a forum to openly talk about suicide is a threat they link a fucking video called "Suicide memes may be a form of therapy".

 

[waived]

To those who are disappointed with the article, why did you have the expectations that you had?

 

[GravityUtilizer]

This line's a doozy: 'Suicidal people who use the internet for suicide-related purposes are more suicidal than nonsuicide-related users.'

 

[RainAndSadness]

Fucking vice, this is yet another clearly emotionally manipulative article written by a complete hack, like all vice writers nowadays. What happened to the great documentaries that they used to produce?

Here's a small list of other articles that this clown has written, notice that it's the same blog-style, highly biased and clearly misleading titles:

• Pedophilia Is a Mental Health Issue. It's Still Not Treated as One
• Your Poop Might Be Key For Predicting the End of the Pandemic
• Texting My Mom Photos of My Dinner Is How I Tell Her I'm Okay
• The Movement Against Psychiatry
• Brain Science Is Ignoring Left-Handed People
• Is Racism a Mental Illness?

And add to that a whole collection of articles about how you should totally take hard psychedelics to help your mental health™, muh non peer reviewed studies from real scientists are proof of that!

I have no clue why are the progressives so against suicide and the right to take decisions about your life. Like, these people should be the ones who truly understand how someone who posts on a pro-choice forum feels, but they are always the first to condemn these places while simultaneously talking about how bad life is right now and how much despair there is on the world. Always with the double standards these clowns. But don't worry guys, we'll leave the famous hotline number here, you can either get ignored or sent to a mental health facility against your will. -pats herself in the back-

So, if you haven't realized it yet, being pro-life on suicide is the woke thing to do now apparently.

Seriously, FUCK VICE MAGAZINE and the people who take them seriously.

I'm not sure if those people are truly 'progressive'. I support many left-wing ideas and I consider myself to be very progressive when it comes to social issues. For example, I am critical of practices in the modern psychiatric system and I passionately support the right to die. I think people that write those articles would probably consider themselves to be maybe center-left but mostly liberal. Defending psychiatry as it is and opposing the right to die is a socially conservative position and people behind 'fixthe26' seem to operate from a Christian value system, they are trying to push legislation against this website through Republicans - which are known to be right-wingers. People that fight for the right to die, on the other hand, come from an anti-authoritarian, left-wing perspective. That's just my experience. But generalizing the woke left and pretending that they're the issue when it's really conservative (politically correct) Christian moms that are driving the gear against us is misleading.

 

[StateOfMind]

and if somebody jumps in front of a train and loses both legs(because lack of information and methods) it's all good and dandy too;
, cause life is a gift, yeah, sure.

Still don't get why so many people on SS are hating on the train method.
Along with jumping of a great height its probably one of the most reliable methods there are..
All this fluffing about with ropes or chemicals. Sometimes people like it complicated here on SS.
I prefer a simple quick death, and collision with 200 kmph train provides that option.
And that is not even mentioning the circumstances that make it diffucult for me to go with hanging or SN.

 

[262653]

Still don't get why so many people on SS are hating on the train method.
Along with jumping of a great height its probably one of the most reliable methods there are..
All this fluffing about with ropes or chemicals. Sometimes people like it complicated here on SS.
I prefer a simple quick death, and collision with 200 kmph train provides that option.
And that is not even mentioning the circumstances that make it diffucult for me to go with hanging or SN.

I'm considering both train and jumping as viable options for myself. They seem to be very effective but I'm concerned about my survival instinct.

 

[xLosthopex]

I'm not sure if those people are truly 'progressive'. I support many left-wing ideas and I consider myself to be very progressive when it comes to social issues. For example, I am critical of practices in the modern psychiatric system and I passionately support the right to die. I think people that write those articles would probably consider themselves to be maybe center-left but mostly liberal. Defending psychiatry as it is and opposing the right to die is a socially conservative position and people behind 'fixthe26' seem to operate from a Christian value system, they are trying to push legislation against this website through Republicans - which are known to be right-wingers. People that fight for the right to die, on the other hand, come from an anti-authoritarian, left-wing perspective. That's just my experience. But generalizing the woke left and pretending that they're the issue when it's really conservative (politically correct) Christian moms that are driving the gear against us is misleading.

I agree with this
I'm very tired and a bit out of it rn so my comment might not be articulated very well but I'll try my best haha...
I'm an activist for various far left social issues, and I feel like most of the people I work with would support the right to die as we do on this site if the topic was discussed more widely, if that makes sense
Like this subject rarely comes up in discussion within leftist communities, although I have witnessed it a couple of times in a positive way. But I think(hope) that once the issue of right to die starts being talked about more in general that it will be supported by the left...
Also I feel like one reason that it's not yet being discussed among these groups could be due to the fact that so many ctb's are as a result of things like homophobia, racism, transphobia, lack of awareness of mental illness, poverty etc etc. so perhaps other leftists may have somewhat of a fear of discussing the topic,(just a thought), but I have actually talked openly about right to die for all on my social media and did get a lot of positive response and agreement from fellow leftists, so I guess what I'm trying to say is that hopefully once more of those people become educated on the issue they will be more likely to advocate for it

Right to die is such a fundamental issue in relation to bodily autonomy so it's something the left MUST support, and really does go hand in hand with abortion rights, in that, nobody thinks abortion or suicide are wonderful things but it's about accepting the fact that they are both a reality whether we like it or not, and that denying people the right to chose will do nothing to end or fix those issues

 

[VisionsOfHell]

when it's really conservative (politically correct) Christian moms that are driving the gear against us is misleading.

From what I can tell, conservatives in the US are very pro free-speech so I dont understand why they would think they can shut this site down.

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

From what I can tell, conservatives in the US are very pro free-speech so I dont understand why they would think they can shut this site down.

They are also pro-life.

 

[demuic]

From what I can tell, conservatives in the US are very pro free-speech so I dont understand why they would think they can shut this site down.

It kinda depends. I see anti free speech stuff from left wingers way more often, but the type of conservatives in the US that tend to be against free speech are evangelist Christian types. The more "libertarian" types of conservatives don't oppose it. I definitely see it on "both sides of the aisle." I don't see either of the ideological mainstreams embracing "right to die" any time soon.

 

[BooGirl]

I love how they intentionally try to quote Marquis in the absolute worst ways possible lmao