The vice article

[Deleted member 19276]

"VICE" article... Grand Pro-Life Auto.
Seriously though, they should leave Marquis for good and find a life or something...

 

[RainAndSadness]

From what I can tell, conservatives in the US are very pro free-speech so I dont understand why they would think they can shut this site down.

I don't agree with that narrative at all. In the US conservatives can be extremely sensitive to anything that challenges their culture. Burning the flag? Should be a crime. Saying "Happy Holidays"? How dare you are waging a war against Christmas. There are so many examples of them being outright furious if you say the wrong thing. In my opinion, the right can be just as much of a snowflake than the left. I also know left-wing voices get deplatformed on Twitter constantly.

 

[VisionsOfHell]

Burning the flag? Should be a crime. Saying "Happy Holidays"? How dare you are waging a war against Christmas.

Thats true but they dont try to censor people for it (well, they dont have any power so maybe they would if they did idk).

. I also know left-wing voices get deplatformed on Twitter constantly

The focus of big tech censorship is right wingers. I think they made that very clear. Even trump gets censored and he didnt do shit about it.

EDIT: I meant they dont try to censor free speech. Making flag burning a crime is another topic.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Thats true but they dont try to censor people for it (well, they dont have any power so maybe they would if they did idk).

Trump suggested that burning the flag should be a crime, he also suggested to remove licenses from news networks. Those are free speech issues.

The focus of big tech censorship is right wingers. I think they made that very clear. Even trump gets censored and he didnt do shit about it.

They didn't censor him. They put notifications on his tweets, correcting all the blatant lies that were spread during the last few days. Also he literally tweeted that he won the election the other day and he still isn't banned. It just doesn't make sense. If I posted any of that, I'd be permabanned immediately, no questions asked. I'm not here to open a political debate though, I just wanted to counter the notion that only the left is capable of censoring. If companies like Twitter and Facebook were owned by conservatives, they would do exactly the same. I just don't play those partisan games.

EDIT: I meant they dont try to censor free speech. Making flag burning a crime is another topic.

Legally speaking, it's a free speech issue though. The courts already ruled in such cases, in favor of flag burning, justifying it as free speech.

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[VisionsOfHell]

Trump suggested that burning the flag should be a crime, he also suggested to remove licenses from news networks. Those are free speech issues.

Epic

I'm not here to open a political debate though,

Yes lets stop. I'll let you keep the last word. I'm not good at debating anymore, especially not on my phone.

 

[StateOfMind]

I'm considering both train and jumping as viable options for myself. They seem to be very effective but I'm concerned about my survival instinct.

I see it like this.
If you have a good method and it's only SI holding you back then you have a good method lol

 

[ecmnesia]

those people failed to realize that SS merely provides you information that you actively have to seek out for on your own.

they'd rather have us attempting painful and unreliable methods than give us a clean peaceful death.

it's utterly horrible that I found a place that can provide me with such content, it would surely be better if jumped in front of train, got severely injured but not dead, and traumatized a bunch of people who got nothing to do with my problem.

to be honest, although i can understand why they are sad and all, it feels like the only reason those people target this forum is because they are incapable of recognizing the part they (and society) played in those ctbs. they can't deal with the guilt, the pain, and they feel the need to paint this community as the villain.

i got the impression that they make an effort on this article to sound impartial when it's clear where they stand on. and one more thing, what does the creators personal lives has to do with this site? i couldn't care less about what they do in their free time or what they believe in, that has nothing to do with the matter. they are just basically trying to invalidate the forum based on this and it's disgusting.

 

[Fragile]

I'm not sure if those people are truly 'progressive'. I support many left-wing ideas and I consider myself to be very progressive when it comes to social issues. For example, I am critical of practices in the modern psychiatric system and I passionately support the right to die. I think people that write those articles would probably consider themselves to be maybe center-left but mostly liberal. Defending psychiatry as it is and opposing the right to die is a socially conservative position and people behind 'fixthe26' seem to operate from a Christian value system, they are trying to push legislation against this website through Republicans - which are known to be right-wingers. People that fight for the right to die, on the other hand, come from an anti-authoritarian, left-wing perspective. That's just my experience. But generalizing the woke left and pretending that they're the issue when it's really conservative (politically correct) Christian moms that are driving the gear against us is misleading.

Just to be clear, I've never said that the right wingers/republicans/conservatives suddenly turned pro-choice. In fact, I'd say that this discussion belongs to neither side since it's still a taboo topic for both of them and they actively avoid talking about it.

I believe that you are wrong about how these people identify themselves politically, they truly see themselves as champions of the left who think they can punch whatever they perceive as nazis and hate orange man because science says so. I haven't a single doubt in my mind that they will take great offense when being called left-centrists and even more to being called liberals.

And let's not even pretend that the mainstream left is pro-choice in suicide in any real capacity. Sure, they tend to be the ones where these ideas come from, but they get quickly chased away from the movement. Left leaning people are always the ones spamming the useless suicide hotline even on topics that aren't even tangentially related to suicide. Not to mention that the left is embracing what they perceive as science to the point that any criticism about psychiatry or the corrupt industry behind them is immediately treated as a right-wing conspiracy equal to anti-vaxers, even if there's abundant evidence about shitty practices from these pharmaceutical megacorporations. Sure, you don't see a lot of that on this forum since we tend to have somewhat contrarian views due to the nature of our discussion, but I can't even count the amount of times that I've seen this mentality on places like reddit and from ""journalists"" like the clown who wrote this terrible article.

And again, conservatives are just as bad about this topic, or even worse. But the fact of the matter is that the left is definitely not pro-choice either. I used to hold some of the same political opinions as you, I still do to some degree, but I moved away from this movement since it became so pro-censorship and anti-freedom if you don't think exactly the same as how they think.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Just to be clear, I've never said that the right wingers/republicans/conservatives suddenly turned pro-choice.

I never implied you did. I simply contested the notion that only the left is capable of censoring but deplatforming is an issue I encounter in all political wings.

In fact, I'd say that this discussion belongs to neither side since it's still a taboo topic for both of them and they actively avoid talking about it.

I agree with you. I said many times in this forum that suicide is a social taboo, therefore people are extremely scared to talk openly about this issue. And it's the reason why SS is facing so much negative attention from the media. But then again, Shawns law, initiated by Jackie Bieber, who is a conservative by the way, went to Rep. Dawn Keefer to get a bill passed that would suppress spreading information on suicide methods, making it illegal.
Those political efforts to shut down the website aren't coming from the left. The left are smearing us on social media, with the help of certain media outlets, but that's it. The people that are actually trying to take us down via political legislation, as far as I know, are either conservatives or Christian. In Europe, people that oppose the right to die are christian-conservatives. Catholics, to be specific. In Germany, it's Christians that are blocking assisted suicide reforms despite a ruling of the highest court in Germany to legalize euthanasia. I just don't see how your description of 'reality' matches my political experience when it comes to the right to die.
In Switzerland, if there are political efforts to liberalize assisted suicide laws, they come mostly from left-wing politicians. And just ask yourself, why are countries that either legalized assisted suicide or are planning to do this soon overwhelmingly socially left-wing?

I believe that you are wrong about how these people identify themselves politically, they truly see themselves as champions of the left who think they can punch whatever they perceive as nazis and hate orange man because science says so. I haven't a single doubt in my mind that they will take great offense when being called left-centrists and even more to being called liberals.

I agree with you but this has nothing to do with the discussion. Does the left hate Trump? Yes. Does the right hate Biden? Yes. Water is wet.

And let's not even pretend that the mainstream left is pro-choice in suicide in any real capacity. Sure, they tend to be the ones where these ideas come from, but they get quickly chased away from the movement. Left leaning people are always the ones spamming the useless suicide hotline even on topics that aren't even tangentially related to suicide. Not to mention that the left is embracing what they perceive as science to the point that any criticism about psychiatry or the corrupt industry behind them is immediately treated as a right-wing conspiracy equal to anti-vaxers, even if there's abundant evidence about shitty practices from these pharmaceutical megacorporations. Sure, you don't see a lot of that on this forum since we tend to have somewhat contrarian views due to the nature of our discussion, but I can't even count the amount of times that I've seen this mentality on places like reddit and from ""journalists"" like the clown who wrote this terrible article.

It depends who you are talking to. As I said, there are leftists that seem to oppose the right to die, and someone explained, the reason as why that might be the case has probably to do with the fact that many people that commit suicide - not all of them, are in some way or another marginalized and oppressed groups in society. The left probably thinks we're throwing them under the bus if we support their right to die instead of helping them but I reject the notion that there is always help. We live in a cruel world in a cruel society with cruel humans. And certain things simply can't be changed, no matter how much you try. I wholeheartedly agree with you though, that this journalist who wrote that article comes close to being a clown, considering they threw all journalistic and scientific standards under the bus and approached this very important and ethically controversial topic from a very one-sided, biased pro-life approach, only citing 'experts' that already agreed with her and are strong activists for suicide prevention anyway.

And again, conservatives are just as bad about this topic, or even worse. But the fact of the matter is that the left is definitely not pro-choice either. I used to hold some of the same political opinions as you, I still do to some degree, but I moved away from this movement since it became so pro-censorship and anti-freedom if you don't think exactly the same as how they think.

You're probably talking to the wrong leftists then. I consider myself to be anti-authoritarian first and foremost - many progressives do. There are many popular figures within the progressive movement that oppose censorship and anti-freedom, although "anti-freedom" is a very vague term and I don't know what you're referring to. Even censorship doesn't really mean anything in the context you used. SS has strong free speech policies but it also does censor opinions of people that hold pro-life/pro-death views and we enforce rules that prohibit harassment, bullying, insults and so on. It always depends what is censored and why.

 

[waived]

But then again how can anybody regularly casting a vote for a capitalist ruling class political apparatus call themselves an anti-authoritarian. Also when 'the right' says 'the left' they are talking about both revolutionary and traditional anti-revolutionary politic which isn't accurate because "The Left" as in the 'revolutionary left' is certainly separate from and directly antagonistic towards traditional, mainstream politics and it is pro-choice.

 

[NightmareTour]

Saving someone's life and stopping them from dying aren't the same thing. Sure, if you actually go on to help then make their life livable, you can say you saved their life. Otherwise you're just prolonging their suffering. People who ctb are people who don't see a way forward, that isn't going to change just because someone pulled them off of a bridge.

 

[Haramburger]

Lol, I feel a bit slow because I was like "wtf is Suicide Solution?" I didn't realize they were talking about...us!

More self-righteous pro-lifers who think they know better than the people who are actually living their lives. They truly disgust me. Vice has been absolute trash for a long time now.

More amusingly, they make a big to-do about pointing out that they will not directly name this site and have an alternate name to prevent traffic from flowing here and being possibly liable(lol), but then they proceed to correctly name another 4 or 5 suicide-centric online communities and even link to some of them

That's a pretty hilarious name, even if it is a blatant misrepresentation.

I'm fairly certain that the author simply wrote this site in his rough draft as "SS" and just made up new words lazily to make it match but still satisfy the legal dept.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

I have no clue why are the progressives so against suicide and the right to take decisions about your life. Like, these people should be the ones who truly understand how someone who posts on a pro-choice forum feels, but they are always the first to condemn these places while simultaneously talking about how bad life is right now and how much despair there is on the world.

Funnily, the progressives are pro-choice when it comes to killing unborn babies, because 'my body, my choice'. Go figure.

 

[VisionsOfHell]

Funnily, the progressives are pro-choice when it comes to killing unborn babies, because 'my body, my choice'. Go figure.

Yeah because thats what the oligarchs deem acceptable for society but not suicide. I'm sure there are many progressives who are on our side but the majority are just cowards or blind followers

 

[demuic]

I wonder how many new members we have gained because of this article?

 

[olieolieoxenfree]

Without even starting on how emotionally manipulative and biased this article is, thank fuck they at least had the decency to not use the website's actual name. The last thing we need is even more pro-lifers raiding our community... but I'm worried that even without directly naming us, they'll still figure out a way to come for us. I wish they put as much effort into actually helping people as they do trying to take away what for many of us is our only source of support.

Just pro-lifers being pro-lifers.

Just a heads up, unless you actually know the name of this website, it is EXTREMELY difficult to find it using google. I don't about y'all but I had to use Bing to find this. All the Google results were the exact opposite of this type of site, all 1-800 hotline type of stuff.