Discussion The term "normie"

[rationaltake]

Is it just me? Not sure about this term. It seems derogatory.

 

[Deleted member 8975]

I use the term to refer to those who do not understand or do not care to understand those of us with mental illnesses and challenges.

 

[Someone123]

I think this term may have started from incels (involuntarily celibate) te refer to people for whom things are going well in mainstream society, people who have excluded them in some ways. There are incels involved in this site, including founders I think- which makes sense because this is one of the ways to end up in a serious depression.

 

[motel rooms]

Is it just me? Not sure about this term. It seems derogatory.

I'm more worried about the terms they use when they talk about us. "Normal" - normie, what's so offensive about that etymology?

 

[FuneralCry]

I do not particularly like that term, what is seen as normal is subjective. Wanting to die is normal for me, and what some others see as normal is likely to be completely different.

 

[rationaltake]

It's been interesting to read your replies.

I use the term to refer to those who do not understand or do not care to understand those of us with mental illnesses and challenges.

I see. Are they by definition "normal" though?

 

[HappyForever?]

I think it's just a slang for neurotypical people. I don't think it's derogatory at all. However people here do dislike them as they are indifferent to our suffering.

 

[rationaltake]

I think this term may have started from incels (involuntarily celibate) te refer to people for whom things are going well in mainstream society, people who have excluded them in some ways. There are incels involved in this site, including founders I think- which makes sense because this is one of the ways to end up in a serious depression.

So "normie" is maybe a term used by people who feel excluded.

 

[Oblivion Access]

Classic us vs them Tribalism to create a stronger sense of group cohesion among "outcasts". The term is so vaguely defined and many who might appear normal on the surface are anything but underneath the facade.

 

[rationaltake]

I'm more worried about the terms they use when they talk about us.

Are "they" just anybody who isn't "us"? But there isn't really an "us". We on here can't all be lumped together and we wouldn't consider ourselves a homogenous group. So I can't see how "they" can all be lumped together.

How would you define a "normie"?

"Normal" - normie, what's so offensive about that etymology?

I think I'd have to ask somebody who was actually on the receiving end of the term.

I do not particularly like that term, what is seen as normal is subjective. Wanting to die is normal for me, and what some others see as normal is likely to be completely different.

I think this is a good point.

I think it's just a slang for neurotypical people. I don't think it's derogatory at all. However people here do dislike them as they are indifferent to our suffering.

Ok. But can we say all of them are indifferent to our suffering? Is being indifferent to the suffering of suicidal people an intrinsic part of being neurotypical? Or maybe being unable to comprehend it? As in you have to be neuroatypical in order to be suicidal?

Classic us vs them Tribalism to create a stronger sense of group cohesion among "outcasts". The term is so vaguely defined and many who might appear normal on the surface are anything but underneath the facade.

Yes. I think this is the case. Succinctly put.

 

[LastFlowers]

Is it just me? Not sure about this term. It seems derogatory.

You give what you get.
A drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of what people like us are referred to.

That said, I personally avoid using the term.

 

[motel rooms]

Tbh, as a guy who suffers from C-PTSD due to CSA, I couldn't care less about this "problem"...

 

[rationaltake]

Tbh, as a guy who suffers from C-PTSD due to CSA, I couldn't care less about this "problem"...

It's not a "problem". And presumably you don't read or post on a thread which doesn't interest you.

Though I have found the replies interesting. Including yours.

 

[motel rooms]

It's not a "problem".

Does that mean it's a problem? If I lived in the Anglosphere, I'd call people I consider dull, incapable of forming their own opinions & ever questioning anything normies behind their backs. Since I'm Mediterranean, I call them idiots right to their faces.

 

[toseeyousmile]

Is it just me? Not sure about this term. It seems derogatory.

I think the point is for it to be derogatory because normies are cringe and boring xd. But yeah I'm pretty sure that is the point tho but also I think it's now used to refer to people who are well-adjusted/intergrated into society and society's values and yeah as a low life I can't relate to that kind of group of people so normie would be a pretty fair way of labeling them.

 

[Foresight]

It's accurate imo

 

[noname223]

First of all good idea for a thread.

The definition of a "normie" is probably difficult because it depends to the context. As for the fact this is a suicide forum it means the following for me: People who have a "normal life" that means a job, a family/ friends or a partner, But the most important thing they don't know severe suicidality and they don't have existential crises.

I read some criticism of that term in this forum.
Someone said we would show with this term a feeling of superiority and kind of a hubris.
Other people say we would stigmatize ourselves with that term because we don't consider ourselves as "normal"/ "normies".

For me personally I don't use the term "normie" as a pejorative term. I rather refer it to neurotypicals which is quite a neutral term. I sometimes use these two terms. My sentences are easier to understand when I don't always write "non-suicidal people with regular jobs and no existential crisis". It is just an abbrevation for me.

 

[Chinaski]

Is it just me? Not sure about this term. It seems derogatory.

Hate it, annoying, actual adults talking like teenagers, immature bullshit imho.

 

[noname223]

Hate it, annoying, actual adults talking like teenagers, immature bullshit imho.

I am curious. Do you think the same about the term CTB (catch the bus)? If you say using the term "normie" was immature this should also apply to "ctb". If you disagree with that where is the difference?

 

[Chinaski]

I am curious. Do you think the same about the term CTB (catch the bus)? If you say using the term "normie" was immature this should also apply to "ctb". If you disagree with that where is the difference?

Basically ctb is not used as a pejorative by a person presenting themselves as essentially superior on an invisible scale. I have similar issues with "hur hur the neurotypicals", which is a false norm based around a vague quasi-diagnostic criteria.

 

[Deleted member 8975]

I see. Are they by definition "normal" though?

Given that they are the frequently engaged majority, yes. Normies are the norm.

 

[Seiba]

I think this term may have started from incels (involuntarily celibate) te refer to people for whom things are going well in mainstream society, people who have excluded them in some ways. There are incels involved in this site, including founders I think- which makes sense because this is one of the ways to end up in a serious depression.

It originates from 4chan and other versions are normal with a slur after it. You are either a normalscum can never understand anything due to not having the isolated neet dweller experience and forever doomed to be "cattle". A general theme was never being able to fit in, and forever being socially maladjusted and a virgin. It was something inherent to you as a person. Wouldn't be shocking if such a thing leaked over to the incel forums. Cope and it's terminology has already leaked over into the twitter sphere. Another example of a leaked meme from there would be the NPC meme which became huge on the web and used even in youtube thumbnails. People are really fond of the idea of being special and otherwise the person they're talking to inherently a simpleton that can never understand. Normie is largely looked down on in imageboard spaces because of its ironic popularity in twitter.

Aside for the thread topic, it's just similar to calling someone a worm, moron, or so on. I think the environments that foster the mindset of hierarchy are worse than the term itself. I don't think people who call other people normie care if feelings are hurt. I have engaged with the word normie in private, but it's less of a scathing loathing of the "normies" more so than just a easy word for people who have adopted cultural or societal ideas who will otherwise never understand you. Likely not the most ideal -- but it's easily understood by the person I talk to. It's easy and low effort.

yes i have spent too much on the internet

 

[Foresight]

4chan sounds so toxic. I'm glad I never found my way there.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

It's like mocking someone for being objectively better than you. A way of bringing the superior down to the level of the inferior. That said who am I to complain? I've got normie traits. I like Marvel movies.

I'm sure we all have these attributes, it's literally got normal in the term. As culture evolves certain things become normalized I'm sure there's statistics out there showing it's normal to be depressed these days.

Taking offense to being called a normie strikes me as odd though because it seems more like a compliment to me. I wish I was an actual normie in every sense of the word. I wish I could be what I perceive to be a mindless drone that complies with every measure and gets rewarded for it but in actuality is just yet another human being with no discernible outright unique aspects but still an individual.


Truly, this is peak excellence. You may not realize it yet but normie is the ultimate state of mind.

 

[Seiba]

It's like mocking someone for being objectively better than you. A way of bringing the superior down to the level of the inferior.

That is part of it, but part of it is also that it's seen that normies can never otherwise achieve anything other than being blissfully mediocre. It goes into them not being able to understand or look deeper into aspects of life and their pursuits. e.g. people who dedicate themselves to obscure philosophy aren't normie. It depends on what subset of the userbase is using the term if it's the tfwnogf variety or the "I am better than you because I read and worshop evola" variety. The latter don't see themselves suffering from being non-normie, but rather because they are forced to put up with people who are beneath them.

I think most adults get over it pretty easily. It's hard to give a shit about this stuff if you work forty hours a week or actually bother reading the books instead of looking at a meme chart recommendation.

 

[noname223]

It originates from 4chan and other versions are normal with a slur after it. You are either a normalscum can never understand anything due to not having the isolated neet dweller experience and forever doomed to be "cattle". A general theme was never being able to fit in, and forever being socially maladjusted and a virgin. It was something inherent to you as a person. Wouldn't be shocking if such a thing leaked over to the incel forums. Cope and it's terminology has already leaked over into the twitter sphere. Another example of a leaked meme from there would be the NPC meme which became huge on the web and used even in youtube thumbnails. People are really fond of the idea of being special and otherwise the person they're talking to inherently a simpleton that can never understand. Normie is largely looked down on in imageboard spaces because of its ironic popularity in twitter.

Aside for the thread topic, it's just similar to calling someone a worm, moron, or so on. I think the environments that foster the mindset of hierarchy are worse than the term itself. I don't think people who call other people normie care if feelings are hurt. I have engaged with the word normie in private, but it's less of a scathing loathing of the "normies" more so than just a easy word for people who have adopted cultural or societal ideas who will otherwise never understand you. Likely not the most ideal -- but it's easily understood by the person I talk to. It's easy and low effort.

yes i have spent too much on the internet

Interesting I did not know that. Maybe I had a different stance on it if I had those information before I wrote the post. I never was in these internet bubbles. I had no information about the terminology. Though my post was mainly about the way I use the word "normie". For me the term seemed so innocent.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I think most adults get over it pretty easily. It's hard to give a shit about this stuff if you work forty hours a week or actually bother reading the books instead of looking at a meme chart recommendation.

True. Actual normies really have no reason to care at all.

 

[Seiba]

Interesting I did not know that. Maybe I had a different stance on it if I had those information before I wrote the post. I never was in these internet bubbles. I had no information about the terminology. Though my post was mainly about the way I use the word "normie". For me the term seemed so innocent.

Normie is rather innocent considering most aren't aware of the implications and the word has largely became to be exiled on the imageboards. Don't feel so bad if you've used it.

True. Actual normies really have no reason to care at all.

And non-normies are too busy staying up until 2-3 am with their Kant bust and doing non-normie things to complain about other people.

 

[BrokenBliss]

...many who might appear normal on the surface are anything but underneath the facade.

Man, I guarantee that is true. And we really all should have learned this lesson already. I am keenly aware how my history appears on paper (or picture). It's a nice shiny object. I am certain that I will be made a cliché if my fate becomes public.

So-called normies will have their own stuff behind the surface appearance of their lives that nobody knows about. As a species, we are deeply judgmental, based on next to no information. It's just how our brains work.

 

[whatevs]

4chan sounds so toxic. I'm glad I never found my way there.

It originates from 4chan and other versions are normal with a slur after it. You are either a normalscum can never understand anything due to not having the isolated neet dweller experience and forever doomed to be "cattle". A general theme was never being able to fit in, and forever being socially maladjusted and a virgin. It was something inherent to you as a person. Wouldn't be shocking if such a thing leaked over to the incel forums. Cope and it's terminology has already leaked over into the twitter sphere. Another example of a leaked meme from there would be the NPC meme which became huge on the web and used even in youtube thumbnails. People are really fond of the idea of being special and otherwise the person they're talking to inherently a simpleton that can never understand. Normie is largely looked down on in imageboard spaces because of its ironic popularity in twitter.

Aside for the thread topic, it's just similar to calling someone a worm, moron, or so on. I think the environments that foster the mindset of hierarchy are worse than the term itself. I don't think people who call other people normie care if feelings are hurt. I have engaged with the word normie in private, but it's less of a scathing loathing of the "normies" more so than just a easy word for people who have adopted cultural or societal ideas who will otherwise never understand you. Likely not the most ideal -- but it's easily understood by the person I talk to. It's easy and low effort.

yes i have spent too much on the internet

Multiquote to pinpoint that one strange feature of "4chan" and related corners of the Internet is that despite how underwhelming or repulsive they seem overall, they manage to create incredibly poignant messages or the template of such messages, that then even people that hate them end up using. The NPC meme was very fucking on point in terms of indicating that a large part of the population will just parrot what the current zeitgeist/perceived consensus dictates word by word. Wojak and Doomer were also brilliant creations.

Something funny about 4chan are the photographs you can find of meetups. Despite the racialism/neo-nazism in /pol/ etc, these people are either mixed or visibly low-end genetic specimens (physically). I myself am something of an alt-righter but I look pretty damn Jewish, lmao.