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Pluto

Pluto

Cat Extremist
Dec 27, 2020
4,837
I am enjoying my life and want to live indefinitely, therefore nobody should have any end-of-life choices.

I have kids and it is going well, therefore women should have no abortion rights.

I am straight, therefore homosexuality should be suppressed.

I drink beer, therefore wine should be banned.

I AM THE PRO-LIFER!
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RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

Administrator
Jun 12, 2018
2,166
Most of these people underestimate how quickly someones apparently decent and happy life can go south. I noticed that when I was diagnosed with a physical disease like rheumatoid arthritis. It changes your life from one moment to another other in very drastic terms. What's the first thing I did when I received my diagnosis? I called Exit to inquire the conditions that have to be met in order to leave with their assistance. Most of the world population doesn't have access to Exit, that's why people help each other to aquire a peaceful way out once their life turns into a nightmare. And that can happen to any of us at any time. Nobody is safe. Various European courts ruled in our favor and declared suicide a human right. According to the ECHR suicide is an expression of individual autonomy. Maybe someone takes their time to explain to me why we don't deserve that human right? That's the notion of the NYT article and all the activism from the anti-choice crowd.
 
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LoveTakesManyForms

Student
Sep 9, 2021
175
Pretty much sums it up.

What about clips where suicidal people are "saved" by a "hero" bystander/cop etc.?
That poor soul finally mustered up the courage to rid themselves of the pain they feel- which is no mean feat- after having suffered God only knows how many years of torment, then someone goes and blows it just because they either want a moment in the limelight, genuinely think they are helping, or have no idea how it feels to be deeply, deeply suicidal.
Is that "hero" going to be there to wipe away the person's tears when they cry themselves to sleep every night, or vomit from anxiety?
Didn't think so.

Most people's idea of suicidal ideation involves a transient event- a breakup, stress at work, etc.
Man, I don't even know how a person can get to a true, deep suicidal state from such pedestrian stuff.
I lost a relationship of 3 years and barely blinked because the severe depression from terrible pain and other issues eclipsed it so utterly.
Relationships come and go and therefore aren't something to kill oneself over.

Just me 2 cents anyway...
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
42,487
I cannot stand pro lifers. I think many of them live under a delusion that life is always worth living and they are in denial of the fact that things can get that bad that one would consider ctb, they automatically dismiss all those who are suicidal as being irrational. After all we all have the right to exit at a time of our choosing, it is our life and our decision and it is nothing to do with anyone else. Other people should have no say in this.
 
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lostundead

Student
Mar 18, 2021
192
"How dare you commit suicide, you'll miss the new marvel movie!!!1!!1"
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soundsinteresting

Member
Dec 10, 2021
18
I feel the world itself is a selfish place. You can't progress in life both as an individual and as a species without being selfish. The higher up we are in our lives, the more others pays attention. The world doesn't heed the poor philanthroper. We live in a constant battle between humankind's innate need to dominate over others versus its desire to blend in. There are forces out at play which none of us really have any control over. And in such a world, grey areas are judged and outright stripped of any merit. There's only right way, the way of the herd. But if we delve further and look at nature, it's filled with intricacies and complexities that bewilder our minds. Nature has no "right way" of doing things. It does things in almost every way imaginable, giving rise to a world full of deepest wonders and darkest horrors.
 
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littlelungs

Wizard
Oct 21, 2018
646
Pro-lifers (who I usually call anti-choicers, because they only seem to care about simply keeping people alive with very little regard for their actual QUALITY of life) make me feel even more trapped, misunderstood and furthermore even more suicidal than usual, and one thing that really gets to me in particular is when they say:

"Just ask for/get help!"

Like it's really that fucking easy, or as if everyone responds in the same way to the same general treatment models (and without being written off as "non-compliant" if they don't), or as if help is truly ALWAYS available, without taking important factors into account like money, accessibility, travel, doctor availability, illness/disability that might prevent someone from leaving their house or speaking, etc.

There's also a similar zinger that "pro-lifers" like to say to people who have been through hell and are right on the edge:

"You should have just asked for help."

Fuck off with that victim-blaming bullshit.
I fought like hell for help and was left to rot for years, and it's a huge contributor as to why my condition is as bad as it is right now. I was (and am) suffering from a multitude of problems including severe trauma, a complex, poorly understood degenerative illness and severe, chronic full-body pain, but because I also have a diagnosis of generalized anxiety disorder and major depression on my medical records, these health "professionals" (whose help I'd seeked out) had already made up their minds about me before they even stepped foot into the exam room. I was accused of malingering and hypochondriasis, I was called a faker by my own family, I was dragged by my ass, cornered, gaslit, degraded and denied basic assistance and care from the health and social systems, I was locked up and forced to take more of the medications that had made me worse in the first place after calling one of those hotlines because I just wanted to talk to someone... shit, even when I was 8 and tried to tell someone after one of the countless episodes of sexual abuse I went through, I was scolded and told to keep my clothes on. It just goes on and on and ON and I'm fucking TIRED of trying to get help, only to be neglected or forced to deal with so much incompetence and meanness in combination with such little empathy (if at all) from the very institutions that are supposed to be there to HELP, and the majority of the times I've tried to get help, I've always come out even worse on the other side... so forgive me for not wanting do any of this anymore. If it were just me I'd take one for the team, but I know that I'm far from being the only one who's been through this, and it makes me sick.

It's only when you're right on the edge that these pro-lifers (anti-choicers), along with their incredible lack of perspective, seem to give a fuck about what happens to people, and are quick to leave them in the dirt again once they've made themselves feel better ("yay me, I just saved the life of someone who didn't want to be saved #itgetsbetter #1800suicide <333") and have done essentially nothing to help people in the long run once they're not in an immediate crisis, nor do they seem to be terribly concerned with trying to help make this world a more bearable place to live, like advocating for disability payments that disabled people can actually live off of, for example, or simply – I don't know – NOT clutching their pearls at the mere mention of suicide and actually LISTENING to what suicidal people have to say and hearing them out without just blindly telling them that "it gets better", invalidating them by saying that "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", trying to take away the only online community in which they find solace, respite and understanding, and trying to rob people of their own autonomy. They seem to have this fairytale image of how the world is (and I understand that it's largely a coping mechanism for survival and to help one feel justified in reproducing), but the shitty reality is that this world is an unjust place, some problems are not fixable and not everybody wants to be here.
 
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D&D

D&D

Write something, even if it’s just a suicide note.
Dec 3, 2021
252
It is how humans deal with what scares them the most.
By avoiding it.
Shoving it into the obscure corners reserved for 'abnormal.' That which is different, unusual, odd, disturbing. From which 'normal' citizenry ought to be shielded. By any means.
The real reason, most people avert their gaze and speak in hushed tones whenever suicide is mentioned, lays within their own instinct for self-preservation. Humans have evolved by it. The instinct to adapt and to survive. Anything.
Those that, for whatever reason and by whatever means, overcome their self-preservation instinct are regarded with a mixture of fear, loathing and reverence.
Suicidality is the symptom, not the cause.
Attempting to treat the symptom by pulling someone from the 'window ledge' only to place them back into the situation they are trying to flee from is not help.
Because it will only be a matter of time until they return to the same or similar 'ledge'.
 
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wanttogetonthebus

chronically unlucky
Nov 27, 2021
405
I am enjoying my life and want to live indefinitely, therefore nobody should have any end-of-life choices.

I have kids and it is going well, therefore women should have no abortion rights.

I am straight, therefore homosexuality should be suppressed.

I drink beer, therefore wine should be banned.

I AM THE PRO-LIFER!
View attachment 80894
Pro-life? More like Pro-My-Life 🙄
 
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stellabelle

ethereal
Dec 14, 2018
3,918
I cannot stand pro lifers. I think many of them live under a delusion that life is always worth living and they are in denial of the fact that things can get that bad that one would consider ctb, they automatically dismiss all those who are suicidal as being irrational. After all we all have the right to exit at a time of our choosing, it is our life and our decision and it is nothing to do with anyone else. Other people should have no say in this.
I hate to say it but I agree.
All the lies and no improvement for my situation.
It doesn't matter anymore. It never did.
Pop a magic rainbow unicorn pill awwwww goochie cooochie cooooo….

Might as well just commit suicide. They can all worship stacey and her wittle jordiiiipiiiiie.
 
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LoveTakesManyForms

Student
Sep 9, 2021
175
Pro-lifers (who I usually call anti-choicers, because they only seem to care about simply keeping people alive with very little regard for their actual QUALITY of life) make me feel even more trapped, misunderstood and furthermore even more suicidal than usual, and one thing that really gets to me in particular is when they say:

"Just ask for/get help!"

Like it's really that fucking easy, or as if everyone responds in the same way to the same general treatment models (and without being written off as "non-compliant" if they don't), or as if help is truly ALWAYS available, without taking important factors into account like money, accessibility, travel, doctor availability, illness/disability that might prevent someone from leaving their house or speaking, etc.

There's also a similar zinger that "pro-lifers" like to say to people who have been through hell and are right on the edge:

"You should have just asked for help."

Fuck off with that victim-blaming bullshit.
I fought like hell for help and was left to rot for years, and it's a huge contributor as to why my condition is as bad as it is right now. I was (and am) suffering from a multitude of problems including severe trauma, a complex, poorly understood degenerative illness and severe, chronic full-body pain, but because I also have a diagnosis of generalized anxiety disorder and major depression on my medical records, these health "professionals" (whose help I'd seeked out) had already made up their minds about me before they even stepped foot into the exam room. I was accused of malingering and hypochondriasis, I was called a faker by my own family, I was dragged by my ass, cornered, gaslit, degraded and denied basic assistance and care from the health and social systems, I was locked up and forced to take more of the medications that had made me worse in the first place after calling one of those hotlines because I just wanted to talk to someone... shit, even when I was 8 and tried to tell someone after one of the countless episodes of sexual abuse I went through, I was scolded and told to keep my clothes on. It just goes on and on and ON and I'm fucking TIRED of trying to get help, only to be neglected or forced to deal with so much incompetence and meanness in combination with such little empathy (if at all) from the very institutions that are supposed to be there to HELP, and the majority of the times I've tried to get help, I've always come out even worse on the other side... so forgive me for not wanting do any of this anymore. If it were just me I'd take one for the team, but I know that I'm far from being the only one who's been through this, and it makes me sick.

It's only when you're right on the edge that these pro-lifers (anti-choicers), along with their incredible lack of perspective, seem to give a fuck about what happens to people, and are quick to leave them in the dirt again once they've made themselves feel better ("yay me, I just saved the life of someone who didn't want to be saved #itgetsbetter #1800suicide <333") and have done essentially nothing to help people in the long run once they're not in an immediate crisis, nor do they seem to be terribly concerned with trying to help make this world a more bearable place to live, like advocating for disability payments that disabled people can actually live off of, for example, or simply – I don't know – NOT clutching their pearls at the mere mention of suicide and actually LISTENING to what suicidal people have to say and hearing them out without just blindly telling them that "it gets better", invalidating them by saying that "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", trying to take away the only online community in which they find solace, respite and understanding, and trying to rob people of their own autonomy. They seem to have this fairytale image of how the world is (and I understand that it's largely a coping mechanism for survival and to help one feel justified in reproducing), but the shitty reality is that this world is an unjust place, some problems are not fixable and not everybody wants to be here.
Bang on.
I'd like start by saying I'm really sorry that this has been your experience. Unfortunately I believe it is probably the same for countless others.

If people actually listened intently they'd realise that some are doomed, as evidenced by the fact that people end their own lives every year. Suicide is not a choice when the alternative is a misery so deep and enduring that nobody would choose it. It becomes the only viable option.

We truly do live in a bloody scary world, a world in which some people are better off dying by their own hand. A world in which society doesn't possess solutions for all problems. So if people reach a dead end in which the only rational choice is to leave, we do them no favours by standing in the way or limiting their options down to only the most painful and brutal.
In these circumstances, a humane society would allow them as peaceful an exit as possible. But no, instead we drop bombs on innocents who want to live, whilt drugging and locking up the living dead. Just senseless really.
 
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Zzzzz

Zzzzz

Nothing compares to the bliss of death.
Aug 8, 2018
879
Yea. There is a lot of narcissism and projection in the pro-life philosophy. If people want to live, good for them. But they have no right to impose their beliefs onto others.
 
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Niko66

Niko66

Specialist
Dec 6, 2021
353
Pro-life is such a misrepresentative term by media, would be much more accurate to call them anti-choice cuz they don't give one shit about your life.
 
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stellabelle

ethereal
Dec 14, 2018
3,918
Pro-life is such a misrepresentative term by media, would be much more accurate to call them anti-choice cuz they don't give one shit about your life.
No kidding.
Pro "Stay alive so we can continue to entertain ourselves by hurting you, making you miserable, feeding you lies about how you can be anything you want. Oh. Except you. You're worthless. Hey can I stick my dick in you? Even though you hate it? Well? I won't stop. I don't care. Here's your life. You're worthless. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA."
 
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