The human condition is slavery, which is why having children is a terrible idea.

[Darkover]

For someone to have children, they have to be completely ignorant of what the world is actually like and how things in society work. Human beings are slaves. They are not born as slaves, but if you look around the world and are honest with yourself, you will see that human beings are in chains everywhere you look.

To prove this just think, can you just get in your car and drive wherever you want, if you want to? Well yeah, but only if you have a license, which is a word that means permission. Which brings up the question: if you're not a slave, why do you need permission to go from one place to another? You may think the system of getting a license to drive makes sense but just ask yourself, who are you getting that permission from? Obviously, some higher authority, who basically thinks they own you. The same authority that says you have to give it a portion of your income to help fund its wars, or else it uses violence against you.

The truth is, that humanity is basically a slave race, and having children is just bringing more people into a world where the human condition is slavery.

 

[sserafim]

I agree. I'm surprised that most people don't see this

 

[R_N]

I think we are born as slaves to our bodies. Then we exploit and are exploited to satisfy our needs.

 

[sserafim]

I think we are born as slaves to our bodies. Then we exploit and are exploited to satisfy our needs.

We're also born as slaves to capitalism, money and society

 

[R_N]

We're also born as slaves to capitalism, money and society

Yeah that is what I meant by my 2nd sentence.

I think it is inevitable for stuff like that to happen. Utopia is a pipe dream for a human or any other living being.

 

[sserafim]

Yeah that is what I meant by my 2nd sentence.

I think it is inevitable for stuff like that to happen. Utopia is a pipe dream for a human or any other living being.

Why do you think it's inevitable for stuff like that to happen?

 

[Lost in a Dream]

It's so true. I was forced into this life kicking and screaming for the sole purpose of being exploited by somebody else. My parents, the public school I went to, my employers, the people I owe money to after being scammed in college, and even my own friends and family who are too delusional to realize that my desire to die isn't wrong!

I never should've been put here in this hell hole. I can't wait to be free of this shit.

 

[R_N]

Why do you think it's inevitable for stuff like that to happen?

Because of my first sentence lol.

We are stuck in a body that have needs which create suffering.

 

[sserafim]

Yeah that is what I meant by my 2nd sentence.

I think it is inevitable for stuff like that to happen. Utopia is a pipe dream for a human or any other living being.

I meant that once you're born you're already a slave to money, capitalism and society. Everyone is born to be a slave to the system

 

[tbroken]

I don't want to hurt people while pursuing my goals and I don't want to be hurt by them. But somehow we constantly hurt each other.

 

[sserafim]

It's so true. I was forced into this life kicking and screaming for the sole purpose of being exploited by somebody else. My parents, the public school I went to, my employers, the people I owe money to after being scammed in college, and even my own friends and family who are too delusional to realize that my desire to die isn't wrong!

I never should've been put here in this hell hole. I can't wait to be free of this shit.

The fact that we're born kicking and screaming should mean something. I'm just mad that I wasn't able to consent to this. If I had a choice, I wouldn't have chosen to be born

 

[R_N]

I meant that once you're born you're already a slave to money, capitalism and society.

Yes but that came from human will to power and satisfaction.

This system didn't come from nowhere, it is a result of our nature.

 

[sserafim]

Yes but that came from human will to power and satisfaction.

This system didn't come from nowhere, it is a result of a our nature.

Wdym "it's a result of our nature"? Why do you think that capitalism because the dominant system and not an alternative like socialism, communism or anarchy? Yeah but the systems already pre-exist and we live under them, so naturally we're born as slaves to them. Do you think that anarchy could work one day? I think @SexyIncél posted about it

 

[Lost in a Dream]

Because of my first sentence lol.

We are stuck in a body that have needs which create suffering.

And it's not like those biological needs can be shut off either, but maybe life wouldn't be as bad if we could. It's so stupid how not eating results in a horrible death by starvation, not working results in homelessness and being broke, and of course, we have animal instincts programmed into our DNA that make it impossible for us to have anything resembling "free will" like religious people claim we have.

This stupid human body is so worthless. I can't wait until mine is either rotting in the ground, or becomes a pile of ashes in an urn. I'm sick of this stupid life.

The fact that we're born kicking and screaming should mean something. I'm just mad that I wasn't able to consent to this. If I had a choice, I wouldn't have chosen to be born

I know right? How is that not a red flag for everyone??? You can't tell me life is a gift when we're born through trauma. We may not understand what's happening or why at the time, but every baby is born in fight or flight mode, except for when they have a serious medical issue where they can't breathe, and being born into a world where that can happen is bad enough all by itself!

 

[R_N]

Yeah but the systems already pre-exist and we live under them, so naturally we're born as slaves to them

You are always a "slave" of your body under any system. We can start over in nature and we would end up striving for more again. Even if not it is a cruel world, look at animals. Hurt is inevitable. I am sorry.

But yes you are born into this world in state it was I am not disagreeing with that.

Wdym "it's a result of our nature"? Why do you think that capitalism because the dominant system and not an alternative like socialism, communism or anarchy? Yeah but the systems already pre-exist and we live under them, so naturally we're born as slaves to them. Do you think that anarchy could work one day? I think @SexyIncél posted about it

Sorry I didn't see your edit.

I mean exactly what I said in my first reply. What we create comes down to our nature. Nature of being a human. And every creation is based on satisfying needs. Even our own lives are created because of a need that had to be satisfied.

You can see one system better than the other but that is based on if your own needs are met. Price of life has to be paid, always.

It is how I personally see it.

 

[UKscotty]

Depends how you look at things I guess. If society didn't cooperate and have some sort of structure we would all just be out hunting wild chickens and picking fruits for our own families.

People are lazy by nature, if it was a free for all with nothing in place not much would get done in the world.

 

[Deleted member 8119]

why do you need permission to drive?

To prevent murder, buddy. Because you have a 2 tonnes bull in your hands sharing ways with pedestrians.

I agreed with the first paragraph, then you lost me. The lack of worker rights in undeveloped areas and regulations to prevent dumb people from having too much power aren't comparable at all.

 

[Darkover]

To prevent murder, buddy. Because you have a 2 tonnes bull in your hands sharing ways with pedestrians.

I agreed with the first paragraph, then you lost me. The lack of worker rights in undeveloped areas and regulations to prevent dumb people from having too much power aren't comparable at all.

The reason you need "permission" is not because of some higher authority owning you, but because we as a society agree that operating a several ton metal box at fast speeds is insanely dangerous without training. Yes, we need an authority capable of enforcing these rules we set for our society. That doesn't mean you are enslaved..

They all sort of connect and make up the bigger picture of un-freedom, though. The small restrictions and necessities for permission are generally just barely visible gradations of tyranny, leading towards the very obvious fact that humans don't own themselves and don't have a legal claim to their own bodies/lives

 

[sserafim]

Depends how you look at things I guess. If society didn't cooperate and have some sort of structure we would all just be out hunting wild chickens and picking fruits for our own families.

People are lazy by nature, if it was a free for all with nothing in place not much would get done in the world.

Why couldn't humans have been solitary animals instead? I wonder why we had to be social animals…

 

[Hunter2005]

I agree there is no logical reason to have kids, I swear people only make them to distract themselves from their own worries.

 

[piryohae3]

The "freedom" we have is a lie. We are "free" to choose to be wage slaves or we are "free" to be homeless and starve to death. Some choice :/

Depends how you look at things I guess. If society didn't cooperate and have some sort of structure we would all just be out hunting wild chickens and picking fruits for our own families.

People are lazy by nature, if it was a free for all with nothing in place not much would get done in the world.

I don't think people are lazy by nature. People would enjoy working if it had meaning and value to them and didn't have to worry about basic needs. Today's job market is inundated with miserable jobs with 0 value and providing no fulfillment. When picking a job we have to choose money over satisfaction because the unfortunate reality is we need money to live and now just existing is incredibly expensive.

 

[sserafim]

Depends how you look at things I guess. If society didn't cooperate and have some sort of structure we would all just be out hunting wild chickens and picking fruits for our own families.

People are lazy by nature, if it was a free for all with nothing in place not much would get done in the world.

Why do you think people are lazy by nature?

 

[Life_and_Death]

I'm just mad that I wasn't able to consent to this

exactly how would you have liked your parents to get consent considering thats literally impossible.

 

[sserafim]

exactly how would you have liked your parents to get consent considering thats literally impossible.

I don't know, but I guess that's another reason why procreation is immoral, because the person brought into existence can't consent to it. They're brought into this world without a choice. What if they didn't want to ever come here?

 

[Life_and_Death]

I don't know, but I guess that's another reason why procreation is immoral, because the person brought into existence can't consent to it. They're brought into this world without a choice. What if they didn't want to ever come here?

sure, that works. it would end the human race

 

[sserafim]

sure, that works. it would end the human race

People will still keep doing it regardless of the fact that it's theoretically immoral. I don't think people care about the fact that it is, they just want kids, so the human race won't end lol.

 

[Homo erectus]

Until euthanasia is legal and easily accessible, not having children is reasonable.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

People will still keep doing it regardless of the fact that it's theoretically immoral. I don't think people care about the fact that it is, they just want kids, so the human race won't end lol.

I just wish there was a way we could be asked permission beforehand, and always have the memory of being given this choice our whole lives. Everyone who exists should have this memory, and the ability to change their mind later. If this was how reality worked, continuing the human race could be a great thing. It's cruel how keeping it going requires that those who don't even want to exist be here anyway, which makes caring about the future of humanity extremely difficult.

 

[sserafim]

I just wish there was a way we could be asked permission beforehand, and always have the memory of being given this choice our whole lives. Everyone who exists should have this memory, and the ability to change their mind later. If this was how reality worked, continuing the human race could be a great thing. It's cruel how keeping it going requires that those who don't even want to exist be here anyway, which makes caring about the future of humanity extremely difficult.

Literally. I wish there was an emphasize reaction

 

[tbroken]

Good points, one person can never be free. I have to say that i was just happy with small things, my privacy, culture and I did not need that much in my life. THEY were able to also ruin this little peace we all had. Is fucking unbelievable. All People i know are stupid Facebook rat race monkeys that want to prevail on others, i don't want that, i want to live in peace.