The families fighting to shut down suicide websites

[Suicideisgreat]

Wish he didn't die. For real. Breaks my heart.

 

[Chinaski]

Dd nt C tht - hw lng ag/ ws tht

A long time ago, a couple of years l think, not sure it will still be available to view but I'd advise against watching tbh.

 

[BrokenBliss]

Was this the episode on the young blonde woman from 2020? There was a show on suicide in general for guys in mid- forties back in 2015.

 

[Chinaski]

Was this the episode on the young blonde woman from 2020? There was a show on suicide in general for guys in mid- forties back in 2015.

From 2018 l think, but it may have aired in 2020.

 

[Istanbulite]

 

[stevieu]

Dd nt C tht - hw lng ag/ ws tht

There was a Panorama documentary a couple of years ago covering the passing of Callie Lewis and the links to this site.

Pretty much the same rhetoric as what's being repeated again here by the BBC and by the NYT.



It did mention how dire mental health support in the UK is, but totally missed the point(s) on many levels (totally ignoring the views of Callie), and once again going after the 'owners' of this site for someone to blame. Sigh.

 

[markimobzzdeasui]

I can understand what suicide does to the living family members who loved that person ( although many families don't care). But I cannot fathom at all how that grief leads them to illogically, spitefully and sometimes even sadistically blame and scapegoat people here who are suffering in the exact same way if not worse, like the person who suicided!

 

[Marktheghost]

It contains disturbing scenes all right! The whole video, the bias, the idea of banning a supportive forum, the idea of forcing people to go on suffering when they're so unhappy that they want to die, the lies about it encouraging suicide etc. IS disturbing!

This is appalling journalism even by the BBC's standards!

 

[Onthe29th]

Their lack of regard for other people's feelings may have been part of the reason they're loved one was so willing to ctb.

I have the same issue with my family and as much as I love them, they can't stop be from ctb. I'd rather go asap before I see how my family treats me when I can't be of service anymore.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

Now it seems as if people decide to commit suicide because they come across a forum and not the other way around.

This has been the play for decades. They did it with rock and roll music, violent video games, etc. Its mistaking a symptom for the disease. They will always do this because they can act like they're doing something by fighting against whatever it is they're saying makes people crazy. If they actually looked at the elephant in the room, mental health services, they'd actually have to get to work and reform a hundred things.

Ironically, the institutions don't want to go outside of their comfort zone.

 

[bigbeatmanifesto]

Doesn't sound like the documentary is about SS though, as people are not being encouraged to commit suicide here.

And it's imperative it stays that way. I am pro people having the destiny to end their own lives but it really should be the literal last resort. No stone unturned, try with all your might to overcome whatever is making life so unbearable in the first place.

 

[motel rooms]

Whatever Joe's username was when he was here and if he actually did write that note I get the feeling like he was mad at someone from here or maybe he was banned for doing something against the rules? Like why even write that in his final note? I just don't get it.

"Please do your best in closing that website for anyone else & look after my mum & my family."

You don't get it because it's highly unlikely he really asked the police to do that. It reads exactly like something his grief-stricken mother would make up to blame his suicide on SS.

 

[callme]

"Please do your best in closing that website for anyone else & look after my mum & my family."

You don't get it because it's highly unlikely he really asked the police to do that. It reads exactly like something his grief-stricken mother would make up to blame his suicide on SS.

Yeah, anybody half-sane even if traumatised knows the British police is a joke, nobody would appeal to them for a lost cat, let alone an attempted suicide. Only thing they would do is send Steve down there with a pen and notebook.

This is appalling journalism even by the BBC's standards!

Were you somehow of an opinion they had any sense before? It takes real gymnastics to view journalism like they do. Daily Heil in modest, middle-class, typically English disguise. Unfortunately still viewed by the large community to its 1985 standard.

whatever it is they're saying makes people crazy.

I know what it is! "Women's hysteria" "Alcohol overconsumption syndrom" "Attention hyperdeficit hyperactivity megaproductivity misbehaviour disorder" "Malingering"

And the worst of all, Caffeine-induced Anxiety Disorder. Coffee is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

 

[BrokenBliss]

"Please do your best in closing that website for anyone else & look after my mum & my family."

You don't get it because it's highly unlikely he really asked the police to do that. It reads exactly like something his grief-stricken mother would make up to blame his suicide on SS.

I had the same thought.

 

[Muse]

In fact this site gives me some solace in my pain. I need to talk about suicide without these pro life trying to convince me that life is beautiful when I feel I am in hell.

 

[omoidarui]

Whatever Joe's username was when he was here and if he actually did write that note I get the feeling like he was mad at someone from here or maybe he was banned for doing something against the rules? Like why even write that in his final note? I just don't get it.

His username was @Yoyojoejoe and he made a topic praising our community that I remember liking.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-a-community.35851/

I really don't think the suicide note is fake, though. And find it hard to believe there are some here that do actually think that someone's immediate reaction to finding a deceased loved one is going to be "let's go through their phone and forge a note blaming the first thing we find just in case bobby thinks we did a bad and we need cover" as if to suggest an innocent (and potentially severely traumatised) family member is really going to think and behave like that

I agree with errthing else in this topic but the "fake note" tinfoil gets aired a lot and i don't think people are really thinking what it means/takes to do something like that

 

[Badluckhardtimes]

Yeah, they should blame themselves for their own bad parenting. Not people who are part of the FUCKING SOLUTION

 

[JoeyJoey]

Sorry but I need a rant about this.
I feel nothing but compassion for the family here and their suffering, and understand them latching on to having something to blame in the midst of greif. But I caught this on the news earlier and it upset me how one sided the journalism was and angry at their failure to even touch mention any broader issues in the subject. What about our broken systems that mean people can't access treatment and support or social issues that leave people hopeless and isolated not being able to open up about suicidal feelings and be treated with kindness?

Its too easy to tell people they just need to reach out for help that in reality for many just isn't there. I have tried a number of times to access the treatment I need and qualify for with a number of diagnosed and severe health issues that have left me suffering for years and unable to function for the last few. I have been perscribed medication and when that hasn't work givenen phone numbers to call in a crisis and left languishing on a waiting list to access treatment for years now. In the last year alone my Doctor has made repeated referrals as he is not qualified to help and I have had emergency hospital admission and crisis interventions but still no access to medical treatment to recover or support to manage.

I have put all my effort and every last resource I have into trying to cope and live some kind of life. I need somewhere I can talk about my suffering and be open about the suicidal feelings i wake up crying with every morning and go to bed with praying I won't wake up.

Also the letter he left doesn't sound authentic... being active on a website forum that you want to see shut down because it encourages suicide and then spending your final moments writing about in your last words to your loved ones..

Agreed. With everything you mention.

I am sorry to cry as soon as you wake up and go to bed hoping you don't wake up. Similar to me.
I have just gone through 10 minutes begging a non existent god for a fatal heart attack

 

[Suicideisgreat]

I can understand what suicide does to the living family members who loved that person ( although many families don't care). But I cannot fathom at all how that grief leads them to illogically, spitefully and sometimes even sadistically blame and scapegoat people here who are suffering in the exact same way if not worse, like the person who suicided!

Erm because the people who run the forums and own the website aren't the same. No one would pay to keep the forums up, admin the forum if they all died.

The people they are complaining about are people that coach others how to end their life, not the people ending their life.

 

[callme]

His username was @Yoyojoejoe and he made a topic praising our community that I remember liking.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-a-community.35851/

I really don't think the suicide note is fake, though. And find it hard to believe there are some here that do actually think that someone's immediate reaction to finding a deceased loved one is going to be "let's go through their phone and forge a note blaming the first thing we find just in case bobby thinks we did a bad and we need cover" as if to suggest an innocent (and potentially severely traumatised) family member is really going to think and behave like that

I agree with errthing else in this topic but the "fake note" tinfoil gets aired a lot and i don't think people are really thinking what it means/takes to do something like that

So, he really wanted the police to shut down the website and that was the first thing he would've said as a final word? And his mother has nothing in the way of lying? "I hope police shuts it down, goodbye cruel world! Oh, did I mention the police?"

 

[justsayin]

His username was @Yoyojoejoe and he made a topic praising our community that I remember liking.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-a-community.35851/

I've checked other posts, and found this one to be particularly striking:

After loosing so many loved ones in the space of 2 years, getting stabbed, loosing the love of my life, and having no family love, I'm ready to CTB and be at peace with myself

 

[Ankou]

I used to feel some sympathy for these two before I realised how horrible they are. Even though I believed that their logic was flawed I knew what it's like to lose relatives to suicide. Melanie's response? I'm paraphrasing because I'm too lazy to find the quote word for word, but she basically said that my grief didn't matter because she (wrongly) assumed that none of my loved ones were helped online. Do I still feel sympathy? No, she doesn't feel sympathy for any of us, just herself, so why should I?