Venting The BS that invades every trans thread is fatiguing

[borderline-feline]

It's like fucking clockwork. Every time a trans person makes a thread lamenting bigotry from politicians or discrimination, some dumbass will come along and say the most braindead, transphobic bullshit. People bring up this fictitious narrative about "transing the children" or call our healthcare "mutilation" or downplay discrimination we face, and it all just makes me wanna ctb that much more. You'd think that suicidal people would be more empathetic to the pain of others, but apparently some just aren't.

 

[CentreMid]

I'm not trans, but I've noticed this trend as well. It's neither kind nor helpful and I agree, it would be so much better if people were more empathetic. I know we're all suffering, and I know we're all in a lot of pain, but it really does cost nothing to be respectful.

 

[SoftWorries]

I think lots of suicidal people are within a small black box and can't see outside of it to relate to what you're going through.

They just say things like a chatbot parroting back the hateful videos they've filled their days with to overwhelm their senses and stay alive a little longer.

I hope they live long enough to want your forgiveness. I'm sorry it's like this now but it won't be forever.

 

[BlissCore]

I feel people even here will be transphobic because they just will never understand if they arnt in a trans persons shoes. This is a community to relate on something thats not publicly accepted to talk about in this level, and you would think people would be nicer to a wide community of types of people. Its really unfortunate people can be so mean about people trying to feel like their true selves.

 

[unnormal9]

A lot of bullshit has been happening lately. Reminds me of why I'm fucking done with people and nothing reason to want to leave this goddamn world.

You'd think that suicidal people would be more empathetic to the pain of others, but apparently some just aren't.

Hell no. Pain brings anger, in unheralded ways.

 

[jeton nucleus]

People are allowed to have alternative viewpoints. Those viewpoints are rooted in an understanding of basic biology that has existed throughout all of human history. When a doctor turns a boy's penis into a faux vagina, the term "genital mutilation" is apropos. There are videos of hospitals admitting that sex-reassignment surgeries are financially lucrative (e.g. Vanderbilt University Medical Center). There are videos of hospitals admitting that they do these surgeries on minors (e.g. Boston Children's Hospital). This is not some alt-right conspiracy theory. There are detransitioners who attest to these things as well.

A viewpoint is not "phobic" just because you disagree with it. That is the problem with discourse in our society today. People are too quick to label their opposition as racist, bigoted, or something ending with -phobic. You might not believe this but the people saying these supposedly "transphobic" things do want you to feel better. We have compassion for what you are going through. However, we are absolutely confident that putting minors on cross-sex hormones and giving them plastic surgery will not fix the underlying problem. With that said, I genuinely wish you the best with your struggle.

 

[Shinobu]

idk if youve noticed or anything but most of the community on this website are mostly incels not that i am but like im pretty sure the same people that made this site made another site based twords incels

 

[Shinobu]

A viewpoint is not "phobic" just because you disagree with it. That is the problem with discourse in our society today. People are too quick to label their opposition as racist, bigoted, or something ending with -phobic. You might not believe this but the people saying these supposedly "transphobic" things do want you to feel better. We have compassion for what you are going through. However, we are absolutely confident that putting minors on cross-sex hormones and giving them plastic surgery will not fix the underlying problem. With that said, I genuinely wish you the best with your struggle.

yea i agree with this statement alot im trans myself and people are extremely like responsive to anything they dont agree with by labeling it as blank phobic when they are really just disagreeing with us and not being hateful to us we should just have a normal conversation like adults not all of this arguing back and forth both sides of the spectrum seem to always be doing. its what makes it hard to interact with like the LGBTQ+ community somtimes as even tho being a member myself there are some things i disagree with and i feel like id be shamed if i ever put those opinons out there by my own community and be labeled as a blank phobic or something

 

[UsagiDrop]

A viewpoint is not "phobic" just because you disagree with it.

Respectfully, I think any viewpoint can become "phobic" when we bring them up in completely unrelated topics. Everyone is entitled to their viewpoints, absolutely. But a trans person coming on this forum to air trans-related grievances and instances of discrimination that they specifically face is not the time to bring up these talking points imo. There is a time and place for everything, even those kinds of conversations. And that time and place is not to overshadow people's very real life experiences and pain.

If you are compassionate then try to imagine being a trans person who is attempting to discuss a trans specific issue that impacts your mental health and general wellbeing, and people hijack your thread to discuss the politics of minors transitioning… Whether or not you disagree isn't really the issue, there.

 

[borderline-feline]

People are allowed to have alternative viewpoints. Those viewpoints are rooted in an understanding of basic biology that has existed throughout all of human history. When a doctor turns a boy's penis into a faux vagina, the term "genital mutilation" is apropos. There are videos of hospitals admitting that sex-reassignment surgeries are financially lucrative (e.g. Vanderbilt University Medical Center). There are videos of hospitals admitting that they do these surgeries on minors (e.g. Boston Children's Hospital). This is not some alt-right conspiracy theory. There are detransitioners who attest to these things as well.

A viewpoint is not "phobic" just because you disagree with it. That is the problem with discourse in our society today. People are too quick to label their opposition as racist, bigoted, or something ending with -phobic. You might not believe this but the people saying these supposedly "transphobic" things do want you to feel better. We have compassion for what you are going through. However, we are absolutely confident that putting minors on cross-sex hormones and giving them plastic surgery will not fix the underlying problem. With that said, I genuinely wish you the best with your struggle.

Thank you for proving my fucking point, you dumbass. SRS isn't done on anyone under 18. Why do you freaks always have to make this about children? It makes you sound bad when you obsess over children's genitals. Doctors also don't turn boys' penises into "faux vaginas"; they turn trans WOMEN's penises into neovaginas.

I'm talking about things like the freak who came onto one of my threads and started saying that I need to "treat my penis better". He's a transphobic dumbass who doesn't understand gender dysphoria.

I don't care if people say that they want me to feel better; I care about people actually trying to understand my problems. I can also confidently say that these people don't want me to feel better; they're malicious people who want me to feel worse. People who don't know what they're talking about should shut the fuck up.

Please never interact with me again.

yea i agree with this statement alot im trans myself and people are extremely like responsive to anything they dont agree with by labeling it as blank phobic when they are really just disagreeing with us and not being hateful to us we should just have a normal conversation like adults not all of this arguing back and forth both sides of the spectrum seem to always be doing. its what makes it hard to interact with like the LGBTQ+ community somtimes as even tho being a member myself there are some things i disagree with and i feel like id be shamed if i ever put those opinons out there by my own community and be labeled as a blank phobic or something

It's hard to have normal conversations when I'm just trying to talk about workplace discrimination or bigotry from politicians and some freak comes in talking about "transing the children". They're being blatant assholes. When you use a forum, the person who posted a thread should be the one to decide what the topic of conversation is; people who hijack threads to obsess over children's genitals aren't interested in normal conversation.

 

[JeanLucPicard]

Essentially, what it is is that the Republicans are losing the culture war. Gay marriage? Legal. Weed legalization? Continuing apace. Atheism? 25% of Americans now publicly identify as nonreligious; probably millions more of them in the closet.

But the culture war is essentially a distraction from the class war. All there is is class war. If the veil were torn from everyone's eyes, they'd see that the Democrats are ultraconservative neoliberal corporatists in bed with high finance and the GOP are militant fascists in bed with heavy industry and the extractive trades (oil and gas and coal). Instead we must center our politics on whether Obama likes dijon.

 

[borderline-feline]

Essentially, what it is is that the Republicans are losing the culture war. Gay marriage? Legal. Weed legalization? Continuing apace. Atheism? 25% of Americans now publicly identify as nonreligious; probably millions more of them in the closet.

But the culture war is essentially a distraction from the class war. All there is is class war. If the veil were torn from everyone's eyes, they'd see that the Democrats are ultraconservative neoliberal corporatists in bed with high finance and the GOP are militant fascists in bed with heavy industry and the extractive trades (oil and gas and coal). Instead we must center our politics on whether Obama likes dijon.

IIRC, the first bathroom bills started only months after Obergefell V. Hodges. They lost one of their biggest options for fearmongering, so they found a new minority to scapegoat.

 

[borderline-feline]

yes. I will rather listen to you than to someone who thinks insulting people then playing the victim is the way to go. Only their pain seems to be valid, only their emotions seems to be valid. Which isn't true at all.

Go away. I made a thread to complain about how transphobes keep hijacking trans threads, and here you are, hijacking my fucking thread.

 

[Jezzibell]

People are allowed to have alternative viewpoints. Those viewpoints are rooted in an understanding of basic biology that has existed throughout all of human history. When a doctor turns a boy's penis into a faux vagina, the term "genital mutilation" is apropos. There are videos of hospitals admitting that sex-reassignment surgeries are financially lucrative (e.g. Vanderbilt University Medical Center). There are videos of hospitals admitting that they do these surgeries on minors (e.g. Boston Children's Hospital). This is not some alt-right conspiracy theory. There are detransitioners who attest to these things as well.

A viewpoint is not "phobic" just because you disagree with it. That is the problem with discourse in our society today. People are too quick to label their opposition as racist, bigoted, or something ending with -phobic. You might not believe this but the people saying these supposedly "transphobic" things do want you to feel better. We have compassion for what you are going through. However, we are absolutely confident that putting minors on cross-sex hormones and giving them plastic surgery will not fix the underlying problem. With that said, I genuinely wish you the best with your struggle.

I think that having an opinion that is contrary and what someone believes is absolutely fine. What is not is making personal attacks and spitting vitriol. I experienced this as a new member who raised a discussion on what to do with my beloved pet. Strangers called me egotistical and selfish and compared me to Hitler. Unnecessary. If you aren't educated enough to form your own opinion, and recite poison, and have no real world experience, then just stay quiet. How can you possibly know how it feels if you are born in the wrong body. Can you actually imagine how distressing this might be. I genuinely feel for op as I have witnessed the absolutely inappropriate and unwarranted attack on trans members. I really am tired of living in a narrow intolerant society.

 

[CTB Dream]

Vry sry ppl no undrstnd 0 enpthy, ppl sffr this no argue unfortunate human species only argue no undrstnd even ctb say no ppl undrstnd this awful v sry all time talk see trnsphb see attck, vry sry cruel wrld hug

 

[borderline-feline]

There's something that you don't seem to like and that is called freedom of speech. Just because my point of view is different doesn't mean I'm being « phobic » of anything. These little games dont work with me. Now I will let you all deal with your narcissistic rage… because that's what it is. Close minded people who are tripping and want you to trip with them or you are considered hateful. Common sense has left the chat apparently now YOU leave me alone

Freedom of speech doesn't mean that I can't tell you to go fuck yourself. But yes, clearly the trans woman venting about bigotry and discrimination is the closed-minded one, not the people proving her fucking point about how prevalent transphobia is here. You have to be a real entitled person to think that talking about my experiences and not kissing your ass is an attack.

 

[EmptyVessel42]

yes. I will rather listen to you than to someone who thinks insulting people then playing the victim is the way to go. Only their pain seems to be valid, only their emotions seems to be valid. Which isn't true at all. Maybe one day the victim mentality will be exposed to the fullest. People like to deflect deeper issues and think it's all about trans or not. This is shallow analysis on their part and a very superficial view of the world and human being that they have. Always talking about phobia when we don't agree with something sounds like something Kim Jon-Un could have invented.

I refuse to believe this brain-dead moron is over the age of 18. I'd wager a bottle of Nembutal you're literally a child

 

[sashimi_]

in some ways it surprised me to see so many trans / nb people on here and for it to be a profile option but the sad reality is that it makes perfect sense unfortunately . and its sad that for the significant amoumt of trans and nb ppl registered and active and the amount of topics that generally have (at the very least) supportive ppl just goes to show how deep our collective community misery runs

 

[charlotte_]

Jesus christ, your post seems to have attracted some braindead transphobes here. I'm so sorry that this happens frequently. It's so horrible how people could discriminate others' struggles because they haven't gone through it themselves. No one deserves to be mistreated and invalidated for their genuine emotions and what they choose to identify with

 

[jeton nucleus]

Please never interact with me again.

As long as I'm still breathing, you will never shut me up. I will give my opinion whenever I think it is appropriate. The fact that you can't have a reasonable discussion without becoming hysterical only solidifies my beliefs.

Respectfully, I think any viewpoint can become "phobic" when we bring them up in completely unrelated topics. Everyone is entitled to their viewpoints, absolutely. But a trans person coming on this forum to air trans-related grievances and instances of discrimination that they specifically face is not the time to bring up these talking points imo. There is a time and place for everything, even those kinds of conversations. And that time and place is not to overshadow people's very real life experiences and pain.

If you are compassionate then try to imagine being a trans person who is attempting to discuss a trans specific issue that impacts your mental health and general wellbeing, and people hijack your thread to discuss the politics of minors transitioning… Whether or not you disagree isn't really the issue, there.

That isn't a phobia though. A phobia is an irrational fear. Most people are labeled transphobic, not because they have an irrational fear of trans-identifying people, but because they disagree with transgenderism as an ideology or how society should navigate transgenderism. It might be rude to hijack somebody's thread about trans-related grievances with a diatribe about why one believes transgenderism is wrong, but it isn't a phobia. I agree that such a diatribe would be inappropriate in a thread where someone is discussing their personal issues. However, in a thread about a state law being debated (something the OP characterized as "bigotry from politicians"), one should expect that people on both sides will weigh in with their opinions. That is perfectly appropriate because this is an issue that affects all of society. It should also be expected. If one labels your views as hateful or phobic, wouldn't you be more inclined to defend yourself?

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I'm not trans, but I've noticed this trend as well. It's neither kind nor helpful and I agree, it would be so much better if people were more empathetic. I know we're all suffering, and I know we're all in a lot of pain, but it really does cost nothing to be respectful.

 

[borderline-feline]

As long as I'm still breathing, you will never shut me up. I will give my opinion whenever I think it is appropriate. The fact that you can't have a reasonable discussion without becoming hysterical only solidifies my beliefs.

That isn't a phobia though. A phobia is an irrational fear. Most people are labeled transphobic, not because they have an irrational fear of trans-identifying people, but because they disagree with transgenderism as an ideology or how society should navigate transgenderism. It might be rude to hijack somebody's thread about trans-related grievances with a diatribe about why one believes transgenderism is wrong, but it isn't a phobia. I agree that such a diatribe would be inappropriate in a thread where someone is discussing their personal issues. However, in a thread about a state law being debated (something the OP characterized as "bigotry from politicians"), one should expect that people on both sides will weigh in with their opinions. That is perfectly appropriate because this is an issue that affects all of society. It should also be expected. If one labels your views as hateful or phobic, wouldn't you be more inclined to defend yourself?

I'm not hysterical; I'm just being realistic while you're just being an asshole. You may feel that your bullshit is appropriate, but that doesn't make it so. I also may not be able to shut you up, but at this rate, mods just might end up getting you to shut up. Keep in mind, the administrator of this forum is a trans woman, and she's chimed in on multiple threads I've made where bigots started saying hateful bullshit.

All you're doing is spreading hateful and unscientific bullshit. If someone "disagrees with transgenderism", then they're a bigot and should be informed of reality. I characterized a politician saying that she wouldn't do anything to help her suicidal child as bigotry because it is. It's funny how you haven't addressed the actual example I gave of someone sexually harassing me on a thread I made to vent about my dysphoria, probably because acknowledging that would mean that you have to acknowledge the discrimination that I experience.

I just wanna be left alone to live (or die). That's what trans people in general want, but people like you come in and start describing our healthcare as mutilation. You're a thoroughly insufferable person.

This is literally a vent thread, yet here you are, spewing venom. At least live up to the standard you mentioned in your reply.

 

[UsagiDrop]

A phobia is an irrational fear.

A phobia is defined as an irrational fear or aversion to something. We, very conveniently, like to leave the "aversion" part out when defining this word. An aversion is a strong dislike of or disinclination to something. Anyone doubting that can google it. These are dictionary definitions.

Sometimes, people can strongly dislike something without being afraid of it. And, in this instance, these aversions become obvious when an individual politicizes someone else's experiences or opinions and tries to bring up an argument that is unrelated but also dehumanizes that person's existence.

However, in a thread about a state law being debated (something the OP characterized as "bigotry from politicians"), one should expect that people on both sides will weigh in with their opinions. That is perfectly appropriate because this is an issue that affects all of society.

I would be inclined to agree if the thread in question wasn't about how the OP was responding to a careless comment made by the politician arguing for these state laws. In this case, nobody is arguing about the state laws being proposed. They're talking about a statement that they find harmful; if I am not mistaken it is about a mother who would "prefer" her child to be suicidal than for them to have gender reaffirming surgeries available to them.

Just as you are entitled to your view on the matter, trans people are entitled to their offense… considering that some of them actually are suicidal as a result of gender affirming treatments not being available to them or being taken away from them. That statement can, clearly, be triggering to trans people. And that is just as valid as your opinion on the matter.

 

[Artictart]

Needless hate towards people just wanting to live a comfortable life.
It kinda just reminds me of why I don't enjoy being around people.

 

[Valentino]

its so frustrating and just makes me wanna ctb more

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

Dunno if the irony makes me sad or laugh at this point

 

[Artictart]

People are allowed to have alternative viewpoints. Those viewpoints are rooted in an understanding of basic biology that has existed throughout all of human history. When a doctor turns a boy's penis into a faux vagina, the term "genital mutilation" is apropos. There are videos of hospitals admitting that sex-reassignment surgeries are financially lucrative (e.g. Vanderbilt University Medical Center). There are videos of hospitals admitting that they do these surgeries on minors (e.g. Boston Children's Hospital). This is not some alt-right conspiracy theory. There are detransitioners who attest to these things as well.

A viewpoint is not "phobic" just because you disagree with it. That is the problem with discourse in our society today. People are too quick to label their opposition as racist, bigoted, or something ending with -phobic. You might not believe this but the people saying these supposedly "transphobic" things do want you to feel better. We have compassion for what you are going through. However, we are absolutely confident that putting minors on cross-sex hormones and giving them plastic surgery will not fix the underlying problem. With that said, I genuinely wish you the best with your struggle.

A lot goes into transitioning, people forget that it's better to start it sooner than later. I don't condone any kind of grooming or forcing a child to believe they are something they are not but that's not something that happens often, it's not a solid argument. The fact is if someone is trans, the older theyare the harder it is to transition smoothly. There's a whole process before going into transitioning, it's not like you just ask for surgery or to take hormones. I'm not trans I consider myself somewhere on the spectrum, gender in and of itself is very hard to describe, sex does NOT equal gender.
And yes, because you disagree with something it doesn't make it a phobia, what makes it a phobia is refusing to take the perspective of someone else and to see that you might sympathize with them in one way or another.

 

[EmmaD]

People are allowed to have alternative viewpoints. Those viewpoints are rooted in an understanding of basic biology that has existed throughout all of human history. When a doctor turns a boy's penis into a faux vagina, the term "genital mutilation" is apropos. There are videos of hospitals admitting that sex-reassignment surgeries are financially lucrative (e.g. Vanderbilt University Medical Center). There are videos of hospitals admitting that they do these surgeries on minors (e.g. Boston Children's Hospital). This is not some alt-right conspiracy theory. There are detransitioners who attest to these things as well.

A viewpoint is not "phobic" just because you disagree with it. That is the problem with discourse in our society today. People are too quick to label their opposition as racist, bigoted, or something ending with -phobic. You might not believe this but the people saying these supposedly "transphobic" things do want you to feel better. We have compassion for what you are going through. However, we are absolutely confident that putting minors on cross-sex hormones and giving them plastic surgery will not fix the underlying problem. With that said, I genuinely wish you the best with your struggle.

Are you for real?? Did you actually read @borderline-feline's post and that saying things like you just said make her want to ctb even more?

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

Are you for real?? Did you actually read @borderline-feline's post and that saying things like you just said make her want to ctb even more?

I am genuinely very sorry for this happening again, it's so sad to see this happen again. I hope you're feeling alright, this world is truly cruel to us.

 

[Dot]

As long as I'm still breathing, you will never shut me up. I will give my opinion whenever I think it is appropriate. The fact that you can't have a reasonable discussion without becoming hysterical only solidifies my beliefs.

Xcept SaSu has rules & if u wn2 b a membr thn u r expectd 2 adhere 2 thm

OP = nt 'hystericl' -- thy r triggrd bcse yt anothr usr = deb8tng th/ legitmcy of thr v real conditn

• Direct hate towards others based on gender, race, or sex orientation
  • Do not use abusive language or direct hate towards others based on their race, gender, or sexual orientation. This is a very diverse community with many different types of people from different backgrounds.

Spreadng minsinfrmatn bcse of a politcl ideolgy = equally harmfl 2 usrs hre as 'h8 tlk'

That isn't a phobia though. A phobia is an irrational fear. Most people are labeled transphobic, not because they have an irrational fear of trans-identifying people, but because they disagree with transgenderism as an ideology or how society should navigate transgenderism. It might be rude to hijack somebody's thread about trans-related grievances with a diatribe about why one believes transgenderism is wrong, but it isn't a phobia.

Transgendr SaSu membrs r nt prt of 'trans ideolgy' -- thy r livng wth a recognisd medicl conditn calld gendr dysphria & th/ fct tht u only C transgendrsm as an ideolgy shws tht ur argmnts r basd on misinfrmatn &/or politcl ideolgy -- thre r mny deb8tes abt th/ appropri8 mannr 2 treat <18s livng wth gendr dysphria bt SaSu membrs r all ovr 18 s/ thse deb8tes r irrelvant in thse threds