looking_for_peace
Student
- Dec 4, 2022
- 195
holy shit shut the fuck up
FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 37,230
I think the problem is unfortunately there are quite a lot of attention seeking trolls on this site especially recently, they are just bored kids rather than actual suicidal people. Sadly this website could never be a "safe space", people ruin everything and make existing much worse for other people, they shouldn't allow the hateful comments on here, it's really awful especially when people are just venting.
Jezzibell
On my way out. Yayyyyy
- Apr 21, 2023
- 709
We should be allowed to have our own views on a public forum. Often the opposite is true and the mods delete anything they don't agree with. Some of us just want to live in peace with freedom of peace without trans stuff rammed down our throat.
NightshadeDreamer
Student
- Apr 28, 2023
- 101
This thread was a damn roller-coaster to read, holy shit.
My parent started transitioning (mtf) when I was 8 and I couldn't understand why people were so hateful. We lost family and friends, she couldn't find work, adults looked at me with pity as if my parent was shameful. I can only imagine the pain they felt going through that as a parent. The bigotry and hate affects everyone. Just let people be who they are if they aren't hurting anyone.
My parent started transitioning (mtf) when I was 8 and I couldn't understand why people were so hateful. We lost family and friends, she couldn't find work, adults looked at me with pity as if my parent was shameful. I can only imagine the pain they felt going through that as a parent. The bigotry and hate affects everyone. Just let people be who they are if they aren't hurting anyone.
Linda
Member
- Jul 30, 2020
- 1,686
Much better than feeling sorry for youself is fighting back. I had a lot of gay friends 50 years ago, when the situation for them was as bad as it is for trans people right now. Yes, they complained about it. But they also got organized and fought. (I joined the fight, as it happens. One one occasion I had to - literally - fight in the streets to defend myself because of it. A friend of mine still has the injuries from that fight.) Jefferson remarked that "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance" but he should have added that the price also includes a willingness to resist those who wish to take away your liberty. Yes, it's tough. It's uncomfortable. But it has to be done. And if your personality isn't comfortable when directly confronting people, you can find other ways to support the struggle. Ther are many trans people on this site, and there must be some who have the personality and the skills to take a lead on this.
Dot
Info abt typng styl on prfle.
- Sep 26, 2021
- 2,843
Pls gve an xample of whre on ths frum u hve hd 'trans stff rammd dwn ur throat' asde frm trns ppl sharng thr own xperiences
Mods d/ nt jst delte wht thy d/ nt agree wth -- mods delte commnts whre ppl thnk thy knw mre abt trans xpernces thn trans ppl d/
& freedm of spch wll nevr xist w/o freedm of consquencs & mny ppl 4gt tht
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cgrtt.brns
wandering ghost (he/him)
- Apr 19, 2023
- 841
??? u could quite easily just.. not click on a thread? not read it? no ones forcing you to read every thread or even be on this forum? i genuinely dont see how someone posting their own thread about their experience could be them forcing it down ur throat? like this thread wasnt targeted at you, but you replying with an ignorant remark was specifically targeted towards OP. so by your logic YOU are forcing your ideology onto trans ppl.
WaitingToGo
Experienced
- Feb 18, 2023
- 233
Not only am I shocked about how trans people are treated in real life, but here on this forum too where the OP is sharing her experiences we get all the know it alls spouting crap and sticking their noses in with unhelpful and hurtful comments. If you can't support someone don't bother writing anything at all. Thank god I don't see or have to put up with these people in my daily life
SexyIncél
🍭my lollipop brings the feminists to my candyshop
- Aug 16, 2022
- 1,484
Forums aren't free-for-alls. They only work because they defend against attackers. SaSu would become useless if attacked by pro-lifers & trolls. Not to mention politicians and DoS'ers trying to blow it off the internet. Many seem to imagine they're morally justified in attacking us
Isn't it more fun to have a go at actual powerful people who steal your freedoms? Rather than the Scapegoat of the Day who didn't do anything to you?
You don't need to have compassion for their suffering, but there's better forums for expressing (in my view) the usual media-manufactured outrage that just ups suicidal people's misery
You badass, dropping hardcore
wisdom!
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RainAndSadness
Administrator
- Jun 12, 2018
- 2,133
Report them and we will take care of this. This isn't the right place to have discussions about the validity of trans people. They're valid in this forum, period.
axxxu
Member
- Apr 8, 2023
- 69
Exactly why I won't come out.
Transphobic people always complain about transgender matters being shoved down their throats while trans people themselves have to deal with much worse, being killed, harassed, assaulted, disowned, invalidated, seeing transphobia almost anywhere.
It is ridiculous. They are just trying to live their lives, they don't go up to children and say "hey kids want to go on puberty blockers?" I don't understand why people assume that.
I'm so sorry you have to go through this, you and any other trans people on this website have my complete support.
Transphobic people always complain about transgender matters being shoved down their throats while trans people themselves have to deal with much worse, being killed, harassed, assaulted, disowned, invalidated, seeing transphobia almost anywhere.
It is ridiculous. They are just trying to live their lives, they don't go up to children and say "hey kids want to go on puberty blockers?" I don't understand why people assume that.
I'm so sorry you have to go through this, you and any other trans people on this website have my complete support.
"Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth."
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This is a suicide forum to talk about what makes us suicidal. Trans people are one of the groups most at risk of suicide. Arguing against their experiences even here is like messing with a tightrope walker's rope.
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors - PubMed
Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This is a suicide forum to talk about what makes us suicidal. Trans people are one of the groups most at risk of suicide. Arguing against their experiences even here is like messing with a tightrope walker's rope.
Shinobu
Ignorance is bliss.
- Apr 5, 2023
- 56
thats true the point of this foreum is to talk about suicide not kids transitioning which i support but like this isnt the place to talk about it idk why they all come here to talk about it tho
this entire sub foreum turned into a warzone lmfao
exactly^ you can disagree with it but you dont have to mention it to someone especially here of all places just respect everyone
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unnormal9
SOLDIER T.
- Apr 12, 2023
- 1,139
Yeah sure, but here no. If you want to have those viewpoints, take it somewhere it is unfortunately welcome, like kiwifarms. Oh yeah, they'll spit their alternative venom all day, everyday, wholeheartedly, fervently. Thing is they don't realize the biggest lolcow of all is the one looking back at them in the mirror.
Linda
Member
- Jul 30, 2020
- 1,686
I think alternative viewpoints will be welcomed, provided that they are based on facts, not on prejudice, myths and disinformation. Why not educate yourself properly about trans people before you post about them again?
unsaiddes
Member
- Apr 25, 2023
- 74
I understand completely. I don't even know if I'm cis or nonbinary or trans masc because I'll be dead before I have the time or opportunity to explore that, but I have many trans friends, my partner and my sister-in-law both have a trans sibling and I fear for them all regularly. And living with an openly transphobic parent has made me 10x more suicidal.
It's horrific and I want the hatred and oppression to end, but it doesn't seem like that will happen in any of our lifetimes. I'm so sorry you're in pain and this site makes you feel unwelcome.
It's horrific and I want the hatred and oppression to end, but it doesn't seem like that will happen in any of our lifetimes. I'm so sorry you're in pain and this site makes you feel unwelcome.
Kasumi
tired
- Mar 3, 2023
- 495
Seriously, I just don't get it..
If someone can actually explain it to me I'd be thankful.
I myself don't understand other genders such as non-binary, gender-fluid, etc either,.. I just can not imagine how that would be like.
But like, isn't it the logical course of action to stay clear of things you don't understand?
x-phobic people clearly don't understand the side they're opposed to (and refuse to even try to, cause then they wouldn't be x-phobic).
So why do they feel the need to get involved and hate and invalidate others?? Only because they don't understand them? That's not a valid reason.
Also as a sidenote, not trying to endorse what some critical voices here were saying, but being rude and bringing arguments such as "You have no right to argue cause you don't feel like it" aren't helpful.
How would you feel if someone denied your participation in a discussion solely based on the fact that you're not affected yourself.
To keep this simpler lets take f.e. health issues, only because someone isn't sick themselves doesn't mean they cannot understand how it is and take part in a discussion.
I strongly believe that cisgender people are able to understand transgerderism, that is if they actually want to understand and aren't transphobic.
also @OP
it makes sense that they do, they can't help but comment on it when they come across it cause they feel somehow triggered by this topic,.. I assume
not that that helps or anything,.. just an explanation on "why" that I could think of
If someone can actually explain it to me I'd be thankful.
I myself don't understand other genders such as non-binary, gender-fluid, etc either,.. I just can not imagine how that would be like.
But like, isn't it the logical course of action to stay clear of things you don't understand?
x-phobic people clearly don't understand the side they're opposed to (and refuse to even try to, cause then they wouldn't be x-phobic).
So why do they feel the need to get involved and hate and invalidate others?? Only because they don't understand them? That's not a valid reason.
Also as a sidenote, not trying to endorse what some critical voices here were saying, but being rude and bringing arguments such as "You have no right to argue cause you don't feel like it" aren't helpful.
How would you feel if someone denied your participation in a discussion solely based on the fact that you're not affected yourself.
To keep this simpler lets take f.e. health issues, only because someone isn't sick themselves doesn't mean they cannot understand how it is and take part in a discussion.
I strongly believe that cisgender people are able to understand transgerderism, that is if they actually want to understand and aren't transphobic.
also @OP
it makes sense that they do, they can't help but comment on it when they come across it cause they feel somehow triggered by this topic,.. I assume
not that that helps or anything,.. just an explanation on "why" that I could think of
lol, Imagine it's the same people pulling transphobic shit, making "the most vulnerable" they're claiming to protect want to ctb more who act like "we" ak SaSu is encouraging people to ctb"Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth."
Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors - PubMed
Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among...
This is a suicide forum to talk about what makes us suicidal. Trans people are one of the groups most at risk of suicide. Arguing against their experiences even here is like messing with a tightrope walker's rope.
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Pain has brought both compassion and anger for me as paradoxical as that may seem. It has embittered me in some ways as the more extreme suffering surely makes one feel emotionally unstable and real messed up/sensitive to injustices and ignorance (even one's own) but I'd like to think that I've learned a lot from it.
If there is one good thing that has come out of my torture, it is the ability to understand that it hardly makes any difference whether it is happening to me or someone else.
It is an abominable thing regardless, and the fact that someone is suffering immensely, no matter the reason, is enough to flip a switch in my brain and recognize this. I obviously have some blind spots still, and there's no doubt that these experiences have left me with a great deal of detriments but I try to maintain empathy due to my internalization of just how horrid suffering can really become in the extreme cases.
nozomu
Global Mod // will i wiN my recovery arc
- Nov 28, 2022
- 1,082
I know it doesn't fix the harm, but I ask everyone please report when people are being transphobic. We don't tolerate it on this forum and reports help us deal with it swiftly.
I reported what that twat wrote on this thread wrote as soon as I saw it. Hopefully everyone else will do as you advise. People like that shouldn't even be on this forum!!!!!
Rumi
Experienced
- Mar 29, 2023
- 227
Well, the point of this forum is to discuss suicide, and one's reasons for wanting to do it.
It's not to have debates about state laws, or medical ethics, or the nature of prejudice.
Trans people who want to talk about experiences that have contributed to their desire to ctb probably don't want to debate about these sorts of things. People are just looking for places to vent bro.
What do you think this forum is for?
Rumi
Experienced
- Mar 29, 2023
- 227
It was sort of inevitable that this would happen. Because of the nature of these forums, most of the people who were serious about creating a community where suicide is considered a right have passed away.
It's sort of sad all of the megathreads for different methods were written by people who are no longer alive. I wish someone would make a new megathread for a different method, so this site could continue to serve its purpose. Unfortunately, a lot of new users are just trolls who discovered the site through tantacrul or the NYT and BBC articles.
WHAT???? 'Trans stuff rammed down your throat?'
So you are on a suicide forum, reading about the trauma and pain experienced by some of the most targeted people in society, and you're describing that as having it 'rammed down your throat'??? Seriously just fuck off.
Pluto
Meowing to go out
- Dec 27, 2020
- 3,873
This is well argued.
The first thing is that the very nature of politics is that it views other humans as collective demographics - a gender group, an orientation, ethnicities, nationalities, religions, etc. - rather than as individuals. There's nothing wrong with having a political opinion, but interacting with a real human while carrying the charge of a perspective that dehumanises their individuality, things can get very toxic, very fast.
There was a purported Joseph Stalin quote along the lines of, "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic." Combined with all the genocides and hate crimes throughout history, it's easy to see why we are better off connecting to individual fellow humans directly, rather than through the lens of political battlegrounds regarding their demographic.
Secondly, it can be useful to speculate on the real motivation behind transphobic commentary. I see a few possible types.
Many disenfranchised men would have been given vast privileges in pre-Sexual Revolution era. Each was entitled to a submissive wife, a vibrant career and disproportionate wealth and authority in society. By contrast, many such men today are left to rot in isolation as if these individuals deserve punishment to compensate for the excesses of their antecedents. The grievances of low-status males are valid in their own right, but responding to them without attacking all progress made in rights for women, minorities and the LGBTQ community is a challenge.
The most putrid dungeons of the internet have given rise to various victimhood cults which channel the rage of these men into the narrative that they are denied 'free speech' for wanting to unload their veiled contempt towards various formerly-submissive minorities, along with the associated half-hearted intellectualism of their groupthink.
Meanwhile, religious people often have strong views about human sexuality and seek to enforce it on others, again railing against anything that does not fit their simple narrative of straight, cisgender roleplaying. Rather than science, this is based on religions seeking to control people. They strive to increase their political power by encouraging procreation amongst their people, in combination with brainwashing children to follow suit.
And finally, some women have a negative view of men (understandably, given what many have been through). Their own sense of identity - be it solidarity with other women, victimhood echo chambers or a sense of superiority - is threatened by the prospect of a MtF transition, again provoking an aggressive reaction.
When all is said and done, the simple solution is to make the effort to view fellow forum members as human first, and objects of politics second. If the temptation is to respond with political commentary when an individual is in distress, that's a good sign that it's time to stop.
CTB Dream
Injury damage disabl hard talk no argu make fun et
- Sep 17, 2022
- 2,440
This v undrstnd mean wat say,tell u thing this resn cuz species no real undrstnd math set thry logic etc this v smpl math, unfortunate species v stonage
Can add dtl if want
WorthlessTrash
Worthless
- Apr 19, 2022
- 2,407
Not really surprising. Being born the wrong sex and having to go day to day with that is terrible. It's even worse if you decide you do want to transition and you either are unable to or you do and just don't "pass".
Like it or not, gender dysphoria and trans issues are a big reason why many people want to CTB or have, and this being a pro choice forum that deals with suicide are bound to have these types of threads. Your only way of avoiding this is to just stop coming here if you hate it so much.
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Linda
Member
- Jul 30, 2020
- 1,686
I expect the present phase of very strong anti-trans feeling to last about a decade Two at the most. Then the bigots will get bored and find something else to move onto. I have seen it all before.
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grimes
tired little trans
- May 4, 2023
- 7
What you're saying is transphobic, not a "viewpoint". You can say I'm biased and that because I'm a trans woman I'm not giving you a fair chance, and you would have been right, if what you were saying wasn't so obviously wrong.
See, the issue here is that you can't comprehend that the things you are saying are objectively untrue. No children are getting plastic surgeries or sex hormones. Thing as small as blockers take going an extreme length to get. Adults can't just get bottom or top surgery, we have to go through a long process to make it happen, and if there's anyone who isn't getting it, it's children. Well, except the children whose parents get it done for them, in states where a minor can get a boob job but a trans adult can't. The conservative states, clinging to ideals and beliefs that simply no longer apply to the times we live in.
So, by perpetuating a false narrative that is made to specifically undermine the trans population, you are in fact being transphobic.
Also, for the love of god, can't bigots just end their fixation about children's genitals?
