Discussion Suicide will always exist

[Sergeant45]

Greetings,


I believe that suicide is something that will always exist, no matter what steps are taken to prevent it.


I'll elaborate right here and specify that I mean the act of a human ''catching the bus'', not any other animals having accidents and/or killing themselves.

Humans will always find a way to die, the same way humans will always find a way to birth. They say ''prevent suicide!'' But in reality, almost no one truly does.
''Prevent suicide'' but bullying will never cease to exist. ''Prevent suicide'' but loneliness rates keep rocketing. ''Prevent suicide'' but patients have to sell their entire kidney in terms of price if they want to receive treatment that will treat the pain they are going through. ''Prevent suicide'' but abuse rates have made a comeback ever since 2020. ''Prevent suicide'' but no one shows their children love in their most crucial years of development. ''Prevent suicide'' but people in deep-end debt see no other choice. ''Prevent suicide'' but no one can bother to invest more in the science of finding cures for terrible diseases. And so on and so on.....

Unless society's views on all of these examples change, suicide will always exist. And the more you prevent, the more grotesque methods will rise from the ground. I understand, the phobia of dying is natural and widespread, as surviving is hardwired into all humans. That's simply who we are as a species. But you cannot force someone to pretend that they do not want out.


I wish no one would have to ctb in order to live a better life, ''elsewhere''.


Regards

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

So, people won't want to die if life is a good place? Yeah seems legit. That means that if people want to die, life is not a good place.

Thus, logically, improving the conditions of life FOR EVERYONE is a good way to make EVERYONE not want to ctb.

I rest my case, your honor.

 

[Namelesa]

I will say no matter what happens, suicide will always exist and happen. Awful people and suffering is always going to exist so some people will want to die no matter what. We may be able to lessen suffering more but we will never be lessen the amount of suffering needed to make everyone from not wanting to ctb. It really is best to not prevent suicide itself but try to prevent the cause or resolve the problem of someone wanting suicide in the first place but I imagine not every cause is preventable nor every problem is resolvable or manageable to deal with so suicide should always be an option for someone to take.

 

[TAW122]

What @Namelesa said is spot on. Sadly, as we exist in this sentient state and the world (as well as universe) around us, there will always be suffering. For some, it may be too much and as a result, CTB is the outcome of that. I absolutely agree that solving the cause or problem is much better and generally recommended if it is possible or even feasible. However, in reality, there are problems and causes that have no solution or relief and thus, CTB would be the outcome or solution for those who cannot find peace after exhausting their (reasonable and feasible) options.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

What @Namelesa said is spot on. Sadly, as we exist in this sentient state and the world (as well as universe) around us, there will always be suffering. For some, it may be too much and as a result, CTB is the outcome of that. I absolutely agree that solving the cause or problem is much better and generally recommended if it is possible or even feasible. However, in reality, there are problems and causes that have no solution or relief and thus, CTB would be the outcome or solution for those who cannot find peace after exhausting their (reasonable and feasible) options.

Dammit, all our creator had to do is turn on cheat mode and let us toggle the "infinite dopamine" on! Or at least turn on the "infinite flesh mods" so we can become something that can generate infinite dopamine. Maybe we as humans can find out how to turn on cheat mode in the future?

 

[SpinandPainr]

To desire is to suffer and to live is to want. it is the nature of us as beings

 

[SomewhatLoved]

I think for me I see a lot of parallels between drug use and suicide.

I personally don't think recreational drug use is good. I grew up in a family torn apart by alcoholism. I have two family members who overdosed and died on opioids. My brother used to abuse his ativan. I've seen what drugs can do to people and I hate them for what they took from me. In a perfect world, I think all recreational drugs should be banned. But that's not how it works. Prohibition has been tried. There was a war on drugs. Where did it get us? Nowhere. It doesn't work, because people will always want to use drugs and you can never 100% prevent something. People will always find a way.

Same with suicide. I think most people would agree that both suicide and recreational drug use is bad. People understand we can't prevent drug use, so why do people act like we can't prevent suicide? I think an inability to cope, loss of meaning, insanity, etc, are natural parts of higher intelligence and will always exist. Some of us are just subjected to things that result in a breakdown of the psyche.

I remember recently reading about a social work professor (Alexandre Baril) who proposed a harm reduction approach to suicide - stating that assisted suicide should be an option. He described the current societal treatment of suicide as oppressive, since suicidal thoughts are often seen as illegitimate and are oppressed or silenced. Harm reduction approaches to substance abuse has been shown as effective, same with high-risk sexual behaviours.

Suicide is a lot more common than people think, it's consistently in the top 20 causes of death globally. It's not a new thing either, it's been depicted many times throughout history. We can reduce it, but we can't get rid of it. So lets take a harm reduction approach.

 

[ginko0]

It is the ultimate freedom. As long as men are free, suicide will never cease to exist.

 

[Worndown]

It has always existed. Why or how could it cease?

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

With perfect and complete surveillance technologies it is theoretically possible to prevent almost all suicides. In this case it depends on the ethics of society whether this tools are used.

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

I fully agree with the statement that suicide can never be completely eliminated.
This is not a matter of technology, early intervention, predictive algorithms, or biometric surveillance.
It is a matter of human nature.

Suicide arises from the invisible, from the most intimate and inaccessible parts of the individual.
It can be lucid, sudden, silent.
It can surface even in those who, just seconds before, were smiling, working, sleeping.
And even in a society equipped with total surveillance, someone who decides to open a window and jump can do so in ten seconds, without leaving any warning.
How do we stop that? With drones in every room? With implants that activate an intervention team when your mood drops?

The truth is, algorithms do not understand meaning.
They see indicators, words, heartbeats, disjointed phrases.
But they cannot know whether a person is trying to die, or simply trying to survive in their own way.

Because the reality is this:
Thousands of people live every day with suicidal ideation,
but they don't kill themselves.
And not because they were stopped.
But because, in crooked, painful, personal ways, they found balance:
in obsessive work, in extreme sports, in alcohol, in music, in silence.

If we start interpreting these behaviors as warning signs to be blocked,
if every deviation from "emotional normality" becomes "risk",
then we intervene where no one asked for help.
We strip away the last coping strategies.
And instead of saving lives, we build cages.

Human beings are not made to be fully controlled.
They need private spaces, invisible shelters — even if they are fragile.
Even now, privacy is almost extinct. Even now, surveillance is everywhere.
But sooner or later, if control expands further, something will explode.
It won't be suicide.
It will be humanity.

In attacks, in murders, in rebellions, in small acts of vengeance against a world that sees everything and understands nothing.
Because a mind forced to be transparent becomes a dangerous mind.
And the cost of "preventing" a suicide might be the creation of an even greater explosion, somewhere else.

In conclusion:
Suicide will always exist because it is born from the most radical form of freedom.
And every attempt to eliminate it by force is not salvation:
it is dehumanization disguised as care.

 

[Twiceler]

The true autonomy requires suicide. There always will be controlling regulations.

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand, and it's just so cruel and terrible to me how there's all this suffering in existing with no limit as to how much one can be tortured, I'd just always prefer to not exist than suffer so unnecessarily, only non-existence can bring me the relief I search for from this deeply undesirable, futile existence I just always saw as a mistake, for me existence really is the problem and my wish to cease existing is a response to existence.

 

[ginko0]

I fully agree with the statement that suicide can never be completely eliminated.
This is not a matter of technology, early intervention, predictive algorithms, or biometric surveillance.
It is a matter of human nature.

Suicide arises from the invisible, from the most intimate and inaccessible parts of the individual.
It can be lucid, sudden, silent.
It can surface even in those who, just seconds before, were smiling, working, sleeping.
And even in a society equipped with total surveillance, someone who decides to open a window and jump can do so in ten seconds, without leaving any warning.
How do we stop that? With drones in every room? With implants that activate an intervention team when your mood drops?

One could write a whole dystopia based on that. But, yeah, you're totally right

 

[niceday]

I understand that it's the same here as it is with doctors. The main goal of people working in prevention is simply to save a life. I remember how platforms that validated my pain one day were blocked, leaving me with nothing. And my life hasn't changed since then. I'm still in passive ctb, trying to push myself to the edge and jump off.
When people truly start caring about each other, maybe something will change. (lol funny) I read a neighbouring post where people were complaining that they are afraid to go to the hospital because it could ruin their lives. It's just such a dead end.

 

[Britney Spears]

No matter how much they impose on us and make it more difficult, sooner or later we will always find a way to stop suffering and free ourselves from pain. They take away peaceful methods, lock us up, torture us, and medicate us just because we want to quit suffer, and to them it's madness because it goes against nature. I detest this human cruelty