Venting Suicide prevention month

[madbananas]

Im gonna totally contradict myself i actually think that attempting suicide should be an illegal and punishable offence again.
The punishment for it should be getting sentenced to death.

It's the fact that actually happens in some places

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Thanks for the personal insight too GPE. I think sometimes it becomes a bit us and them with pro lifers, when everybody has their own reasons.

I meant to say in that comment and forgot...

We often see them as the enemy because they want to try to block us from what we want for ourselves. Some folks demonize them as some of them demonize us and the site. Many of them have been very hurt and don't understand the whole picture, and many of us have been hurt, too. That hurt needs to be discharged, and so arrows are slung, and then there is more hurt to be discharged, and it just keeps going.

I can understand on both sides that some may not want to hear the other side, because their hurt gives them power when they've been weakened, and once the hate and enmity is gone, what then will one have to cling to or what foundation will they have to stand on?

The anti-suicide folks have more power and influence, though, and it's oppressive. I understand that it's hard to try to stay patient, to try to calmly get them to listen when so many are in a riled-up and self-righteous state that they refuse. It's hard to not get fucking pissed off and attack back, especially if one hasn't been on both sides of this as I have. It seems from here that few of them have been on both sides, and if they have, they may be some of the rare few who are grateful they survived and want to rescue others instead of live their own lives. Rescuing behavior is codependent behavior. I used to be a hell of a rescuer in general, but I also was willing to make the effort to walk my talk or STFU.

 

[BipolarGuy]

The purpose of Suicide Prevention Month is to provide an opportunity for virtue signallers on social media to make a post to tell the world how 'good' they are.

Such posts might include but are not limited to:

- "I've been nominated to do 25 pushups a day to raise awareness of suicide"

- "I stand with those effected by mental health problems...only 1% will share this, will YOU?"

- "I'm going to display the mental health ribbon on my profile picture for a month"

- A picture of a sunset/sunrise/mountain/forest/lake with a quote which basically says "You can do this"

While there are many genuine people out there the reality is that many of these virtue signallers are hypocritical and judgemental, some of them very much so as I've sadly experienced.

 

[Mm80]

The purpose of Suicide Prevention Month is to provide an opportunity for virtue signallers on social media to make a post to tell the world how 'good' they are.

Such posts might include but are not limited to:

- "I've been nominated to do 25 pushups a day to raise awareness of suicide"

- "I stand with those effected by mental health problems...only 1% will share this, will YOU?"

- "I'm going to display the mental health ribbon on my profile picture for a month"

- A picture of a sunset/sunrise/mountain/forest/lake with a quote which basically says "You can do this"

While there are many genuine people out there the reality is that many of these virtue signallers are hypocritical and judgemental, some of them very much so as I've sadly experienced.

Thats so accurate.
I like the 25 pushups one. Its basically got fuck all to do with preventing suicide, its more about letting otbers know that you can do 25 push ups lol.
Plus the ones that try and guilt trip you into reposting... most wont share this, i think i know who will.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

only 1% will share this, will YOU?"

most wont share this, i think i know who will.

OMG that pisses me off no matter what the context.

No. No I fucking won't. And fuck you for guilt tripping me to do good right out the gate. You just canceled out what you wanted to do because now I hate you and your cause. I don't care that you bailed me out of jail or took care of my kids when I was a single parent in the hospital or let me sleep on your couch when my house burned down or your perineum ripped when you gave birth to me and you still poop where you piss. You are dead to me. I hope everybody suicides. I hope all breasts fall off. I hope the seas boil and the skies turn black with carbon. Let it all burn. Fuck you.

 

[Mm80]

Thats so accurate.
I like the 25 pushups one. Its basically got fuck all to do with preventing suicide, its more about letting otbers know that you can do 25 push ups lol.
Plus the ones that try and guilt trip you into reposting... most wont share this, i think i know who will.

Its like when people raise money to do something for charity.
They are usually just doing something they always wanted to do anyway lol, (like a sky dive or long bike ride) but want funding.
You very rarely see somebody ask to be sponsored to eat dogshit every day for a month.

OMG that pisses me off no matter what the context.

No. No I fucking won't. And fuck you for guilt tripping me to do good right out the gate. You just canceled out what you wanted to do because now I hate you and your cause. I don't care that you bailed me out of jail or took care of my kids when I was a single parent in the hospital or let me sleep on your couch when my house burned down or your perineum ripped when you gave birth to me and you still poop where you piss. You are dead to me. I hope everybody suicides. I hope all breasts fall off. I hope the seas boil and the skies turn black with carbon. Let it all burn. Fuck you.

OMG that pisses me off no matter what the context.

No. No I fucking won't. And fuck you for guilt tripping me to do good right out the gate. You just canceled out what you wanted to do because now I hate you and your cause. I don't care that you bailed me out of jail or took care of my kids when I was a single parent in the hospital or let me sleep on your couch when my house burned down or your perineum ripped when you gave birth to me and you still poop where you piss. You are dead to me. I hope everybody suicides. I hope all breasts fall off. I hope the seas boil and the skies turn black with carbon. Let it all burn. Fuck you.

Haha my thoughts exactly.

 

[TAW122]

Yes, I absolutely hate this virtual signaling bullshit that is spewed by the vast majority of people who don't understand the mindful and truly suicidal (those who are determined to CTB and not because of temporary problems).

Finally someone addressing this. I see people posting on social media reminding ppl to check up on friends, etc, and you never know who in your life is suicidal bla bla bla. Not once have any of these people tried to check up on me

Same here and on the flipside, I'd actually wish they don't check up on me so that when my day comes, it'll be easier to attempt as they won't be tailing me or trying to monitor my every day life.

At the end of every article, or piece of news about someone who ctb-dd there is this message written in bold: IF YOU OR ANYONE YOU KNOW IS THINKING ABOUT SUICIDE CALL THIS NUMBER.

Face palm! No, man, calling that number will not help me! Stop wasting digital space!

Oh yes, I hate this obligatory suicide prevention number and/or information as some resource. I believe that someone (from another thread a long while back) said that they have to put that there for liability and risk mitigation/management reasons. Aside from that, yes it's absolutely useless and annoying to see at every mental health or suicide related article, column, piece of news, blog, etc.

Im gonna totally contradict myself i actually think that attempting suicide should be an illegal and punishable offence again.
The punishment for it should be getting sentenced to death.

Hmm, I think I can see the logic here, it's basically getting the job done if not successful. The caveat for those would be the people who were impulsive and didn't really want to die, but then later sentenced to 'death'. Though for the mindfully suicidal, the final fate (according to that 'law' in particular) would be the same. I think that was a law in the UK (Felo de se in the 13th century) that punished those who attempted to CTB. It wasn't until 1961 that CTB was decriminalized in the UK.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I have tears rolling down my face from writing post 65 and reading post 66.

This thread is the best.

 

[BipolarGuy]

Thats so accurate.
I like the 25 pushups one. Its basically got fuck all to do with preventing suicide, its more about letting otbers know that you can do 25 push ups lol.
Plus the ones that try and guilt trip you into reposting... most wont share this, i think i know who will.

I forgot to include another kind of common social media post. I just remembered:

"I want all my friends on Facebook to know I'm here and always up for a chat....now here's the Samaritans phone number..."

 

[Mm80]

I have tears rolling down my face from writing post 65 and reading post 66.

This thread is the best.

Best thread in a while for me too GPE.
Its got everything. Venting. Humour, personal insights.
I dont think anyones even argued lol

 

[Anonymoussn]

I actually think it's a good thing. At least we (as a society) are acknowledging the fact that mental health is a serious problem, and that something needs to be done about it. It doesn't go far enough to address the issue. But at least it encourages awareness and discussion. That is never a bad thing.

I think the best thing they could do though is better address the root causes of these issues. Homelessness, child abuse, mental health underfunding, NHS underfunding. The fact people so desperately in need for help from public services are so often left waiting so long it's too late.

 

[Racon]

The "Cycle against suicide" event always tick me off. They do them around my town every year. Fuck it ought to be "Cycle for suicide".

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I actually think it's a good thing. At least we (as a society) are acknowledging the fact that mental health is a serious problem, and that something needs to be done about it. It doesn't go far enough to address the issue. But at least it encourages awareness and discussion. That is never a bad thing.

I think the best thing they could do though is better address the root causes of these issues. Homelessness, child abuse, mental health underfunding, NHS underfunding. The fact people so desperately in need for help from public services are so often left waiting so long it's too late.

It's just unfortunate that when most people think of preventing suicide, they think of stopping a person from suiciding. The campaign's spotlight focuses on the wrong things.

 

[Mm80]

I forgot to include another kind of common social media post. I just remembered:

"I want all my friends on Facebook to know I'm here and always up for a chat....now here's the Samaritans phone number..."

Yeah there was one going around a few months ago.... my kettle is always on for a brew anytime.... because in england every problem is solved by having a nice cup of fucking tea!
If i turned up at these peoples houses they would probably charge me for the fucking teabag !

The "Cycle against suicide" event always tick me off. They do them around my town every year. Fuck it ought to be "Cycle for suicide".

Maybe you could take part in a cycle for suicide t shirt and say it was a typo ?

 

[Anonymoussn]

It's just unfortunate that when most people think of preventing suicide, they think of stopping a person from suiciding. The campaign's spotlight focuses on the wrong things.

Oh absolutely. I feel like the fields of psychology and healthcare are sort of still in a level of infancy in terms of suicide prevention. Perhaps its wishful thinking, but I'm hoping for a world in decades to come where statistics on happiness of a population are used as a metric for how well a country is doing, and that governments are held accountable for it in the same way that they are if unemployment rates are high. Then again knowing my country, they'll probably find some way to blame it on the immigrants if everyone is unhappy and suicide rates are high.

 

[Mm80]

I actually think it's a good thing. At least we (as a society) are acknowledging the fact that mental health is a serious problem, and that something needs to be done about it. It doesn't go far enough to address the issue. But at least it encourages awareness and discussion. That is never a bad thing.

I think the best thing they could do though is better address the root causes of these issues. Homelessness, child abuse, mental health underfunding, NHS underfunding. The fact people so desperately in need for help from public services are so often left waiting so long it's too late.

But because the root causes are not being addressed do you not think it comes across as a gimmick ?

 

[BipolarGuy]

It's just unfortunate that when most people think of preventing suicide, they think of stopping a person from suiciding. The campaign's spotlight focuses on the wrong things.

I am in complete agreement with this.
Society finds suicide repulsive. It goes against the natural survival instinct that every living thing has within them.
Granted suicide isn't a nice thing, but society seeks to tackle the ever growing problem of suicide simply by trying to prevent people from doing it. The reasons behind why people feel like it are not tackled.
The truth is that in a general sense, the way humans today live and organise themselves and interact with eachother eats away at the soul.

 

[Anonymoussn]

But because the root causes are not being addressed do you not think it comes across as a gimmick ?

Quite possibly. But we are having this conversation now. And even if it is a gimmick, isn't it still a good thing if others are having conversations about it too?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Society finds suicide repulsive. It goes against the natural survival instinct that every living thing has within them.

Not every society does, though. So I think it's a conditioned belief rather than a biological one.

 

[Mm80]

Quite possibly. But we are having this conversation now. And even if it is a gimmick, isn't it still a good thing if others are having conversations about it too?

I suppose it wont do any harm. I think a couple of earlier posters said that they feel suicide prevention is only aimed at a small section of society, and i agree. Almost aimed at folk who are depressed and impulsive, but would change their mind with a little support. And good luck to them, i dont wish misery on anyone and if a burden can be lifted for someone thats good.
I thnk it pisses this community off because a lot of us dont feel part of that movement, and its almost a kick in the teeth when people pretend to care for their own self image.
I think like GPE said, there is too much empasis on preventing suicide. Maybe different wording and approach could be understanding suicide month. Debunking myths, finding out why it happens and really moving forward on the whole topic.
I think tbe biggest myth around suicide is that people think that discussing it makes you more likely to do it, so the conversations dont happen. As many on here have found, having an open space to express oneself regards suicide is actually healthy and helps some folk to stay alive.

 

[Anonymoussn]

Not every society does, though. So I think it's a conditioned belief rather than a biological one.

Perhaps it's the other way round, and being pro-choice is a conditioned belief that we have learned.

I do think that mourning is an instinctive thing. And so it's perhaps instinctive to a degree, to want to prevent suicide to prevent our own mourning, in a selfish sense.

Maybe we have learned to defy our instincts and accept others' rights to die, whereas others are just not fighting their instincts.

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

Suicide fuel awareness month

 

[AmDead]

I personally believe there is no cure to suicide. What's wrong with death, why is suicide bad, why are you trying to "stop" me when you don't even know how? Not even counselors know how to stop someone from ctb. Raising awareness for it doesn't just make all of our problems go away. I hate being told "Im not alone" because I want to be alone, I want to die.

 

[ladolcemorte]

Quite possibly. But we are having this conversation now. And even if it is a gimmick, isn't it still a good thing if others are having conversations about it too?

I can see your point but I think the problem is that it isn't leading to deeper conversations. People post their snappy little memes and that is the end of it. They pat themselves on the back for caring and move on to a silly cat video within seconds.

I would love to be proven wrong, but I have yet to see the publicity surrounding suicide awareness month lead to serious conversations about a failing healthcare system, or any of the social ills that bring people to a point of desperation.

edit:. I should add that this is not a problem unique to suicide awareness. It seems snappy little memes are the status quo in communication right now. Few people read full articles anymore, or have real conversations. It's all surface level: sound bites, headlines, memes, likes, and emoticons...

 

[mr.smileysad]

unless people have actually been depressed then they don't know what its like its not something that can easily be fixed I try to help people around me who are dealing with anxiety or depression but I cant actually help the people with anxiety because I have never experienced it

 

[ImSorryEmma]

bruh its the same generic shit every year i hate it so much

 

[cyberlordsumit]

I am glad to find this thread.
The things is.. We don't need a Suicide prevention month. We need a Improving yourself (To Society) so People don't Suicide Month.
Don't be a Dirtbag, Learn Compass and empathy and be better yourself, Rather than going around telling people something is wrong with them for trying to kill themselves.

Suicide and Depression, Both are a Signal.
A signal that say the Environment that's around that person suffering has become so poisonous.. That person is so desperate to escape, he wanted to CTB..
And that's one of the worst things a Human can Experience.

We need a month to spread awareness of how to REALLY avoid having suicidal people at all..at least the ones who are suffering due to society and environment.

And About the terminally ill and with chronic paon without cure??? Their choice are their own. Mo one should stop people from having control over their lives when they have made a choice in their sane minds (For the ones in chronic pain and without any solution)

 

[Sinai Silence]

Whenever there is a X prevention month or X awareness day it accomplishes absolutely nothing, its the bare minimum people are willing to do for whatever righteous cause they've adopted and it achieves nothing. Its more of a trend than anything else.

 

[cyberlordsumit]

 

[woxihuanni]

Perhaps it's the other way round, and being pro-choice is a conditioned belief that we have learned.

I do think that mourning is an instinctive thing. And so it's perhaps instinctive to a degree, to want to prevent suicide to prevent our own mourning, in a selfish sense.

Maybe we have learned to defy our instincts and accept others' rights to die, whereas others are just not fighting their instincts.

Assuming any of them would mourn. The most common reaction to learning somebody is suicidal is cutting them out of your life, where essentially they are dead to you prematurely. Fat load of mourning there.