Suicide is Selfish

[AllAboard]

It's mind boggling how people will say suicide is selfish and not think of the pain the person that did it was going through. I'm still trying to find out the best way to ctb but I think I want something fast and easy to have readily available when I decide to go. My friend left a firearm at my home for a week because they forgot it in my car so I held it for them. I could've taken their firearm, drove somewhere in the middle nowhere, and ctb there(which is what I want to do if I had my own gun). The only reason I didn't is because I didn't know if they could possibly get in trouble by law enforcement because its in their name, I also didn't want it on their conscious. They probably could've blamed themselves for my death, so I just left it in a safe until they came back to collect it. End of the story is people who decide to end their lives aren't selfish, we're human. If everyone didn't try and be a "hero" or look down on everyone who's ready to ctb, we'd be better off. Suicide should be a right and there should be services available to assist people in doing so.

 

[Wormfood]

Quite frankly I don't care if it's selfish. I'm selfish. Eating and jerking off is selfish but I'm not going to stop those anytime soon or ever.

 

[theboy]

CTB is 50% selfish because it leaves the family aside.

Quite frankly I don't care if it's selfish. I'm selfish. Eating and jerking off is selfish but I'm not going to stop those anytime soon or ever.

eating and masturbating? what are you talking about?

 

[Murasa]

Keeping someone alive when they have no credible chance of getting better, just to keep you calm is also selfish.

eating and masturbating? what are you talking about?

I guess it means we consume other beings to sustain our life, as for faping, I don't know.

 

[onetapgandhi]

Well if suicide is selfish, perhaps it is time for me to be a little bit selfish. Spent all this time caring about others putting myself always on the back and look where it got me. I guess its time to be selfish now

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Selfish? Of course

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And are you eating and masturbating at the same time?

 

[Hirokami]

We're "selfish" and yet they're forcing us to suffer because they don't want to deal with grief. I'd argue that's more selfish. And it's not like I'm insensitive to that grief, either. (Potentially) losing someone to suicide is a pain I can only imagine. Still, the pain of the suicidal person will always be worse. We're suffering so immensely, we're actively going against our "programming". And, for many of us, the only way to end that suffering is by termination. At least the person grieving will likely eventually move past it. The intensity of their pain will be temporary.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Personally I believe bringing a non consenting life into this world is more selfish than making the decision to end our own.

That said- I can't argue with the statement itself. It is likely to impact the lives of those around us negatively. We are thinking of our own pain and wanting to stop it when we choose to do it. I agree though- it's also massively selfish for people to expect someone to keep living in agony (of whatever sort) for them. I've always seen it as a balance really- when I feel my pain outweighs theirs, it's time to go.

Sad thing is- I think life- and especially living in this current world forces you to be selfish. Imagine if you always put the needs of others above yourself. I mean- it would work if everyone was nice and fair- but they're not. Feel like you have to put yourself first sometimes- otherwise you just get trampled over.

 

[makethepainstop]

Well it's like this, whatever force in the universe that gave me this damnable life, did not give me the things I need to live happily. No inordinate size and strength, no blond hair and blue eyes, no uber rich family that loves me dearly. SO since I was not given the things I feel I need to live, what should I hang out and suffer? Perhaps in my next incarnation I shall have these things. If not I can always ctb, until I get the life I want.

 

[Pluto]

It's important to remember that 'suicide is selfish' is a particular person's opinion, and falls in line with a particular cultural viewpoint regarding responsibilities, and assuming all situations are workable.

In WWII Japan, it was the exact opposite. Any young man unwilling to commit suicide for his country would have been viewed as a selfish coward. What to do?

The actual act of dying is not relative to a particular cultural perspective, but transcends human existence entirely. As such the choice should be about what is truly right for you, the workability of your situation (if you feel it is worth attempting this or that recovery method), your personal values and so on. Other people who make a lot of noise are only clouding your inner judgement. The unique tragedy of suicide is that you don't get to change your mind later, which makes it all the more important to choose wisely.

 

[HermitLonerGuy]

Everything every living organism does is selfish.

 

[makethepainstop]

Well it's like this, whatever force in the universe that gave me this damnable life, did not give me the things I need to live happily. No inordinate size and strength, no blond hair and blue eyes, no uber rich family that les me dearly. SO since I was not given the things I feel I need to live, what should I hang out and suffer? Perhaps in my next incarnation I shall have these things. If not I can always ctb, until I get the life I want.

 

[looseye]

I have a problem with the argument that suicide is selfish because you leave people behind in grief. Having some kind of responsibility for the well-being of your loved ones and stuff like that...

I get it. Having someone you love pass away hurts a lot, but that's not enough for me to disrespect suicide. It's like raising a puppy while only feeding him dry leaves, just to pretend it's his fault when he dies early. People don't ask to be born, so they shouldn't have to ask for permission to die. Building relationships is just a side-product of growing up and living life, it's not the result of psychopaths plotting to mess with people's feelings when they ctb.
I find it way more selfish when someone acts like the dead fella was nothing more than a mental anomaly rather than actually trying to understand what led them to suicide in the first place.

 

[lionetta12]

It's mind boggling how people will say suicide is selfish and not think of the pain the person that did it was going through. I'm still trying to find out the best way to ctb but I think I want something fast and easy to have readily available when I decide to go. My friend left a firearm at my home for a week because they forgot it in my car so I held it for them. I could've taken their firearm, drove somewhere in the middle nowhere, and ctb there(which is what I want to do if I had my own gun). The only reason I didn't is because I didn't know if they could possibly get in trouble by law enforcement because its in their name, I also didn't want it on their conscious. They probably could've blamed themselves for my death, so I just left it in a safe until they came back to collect it. End of the story is people who decide to end their lives aren't selfish, we're human. If everyone didn't try and be a "hero" or look down on everyone who's ready to ctb, we'd be better off. Suicide should be a right and there should be services available to assist people in doing so.

What's selfish is that people want to force me to stay alive so they can continue to use and abuse me, for their own benefits, so they can keep feeling good, while I suffer.

 

[Idontmatter]

I guess consider me selfish then because all I want to do is die. It's s struggle each day not to drink sn. Looking forward to the day when I finally do drink it.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Even if we grant it is, then the next question might be: so what? What you want and what others want are not always going to coincide and what kind of life would it be if you always put yourself last? I mean, there are many things that I might want my family and friends to do that they are not going to do because they don't want that, regardless of my opinions. And to be honest, I don't know if this is a common opinion but I've come to believe that there really isn't any reason why any given person *should* be enough for another person. Not children, parents, or best friends. I feel that part of the selfishness stigma rests on this falsd notion that other people should be enough, but that's not reality. And it also means they don't have to hold themselves to an impossible standard according to which their love and friendship should have superhuman power. I don't see that working too well on the oncology units.

 

[tisoxi9801]

I personally wouldn't dispute that sentiment. Every organism is fundamentally and absolutely selfish. It's no quirk of philosophy. It's just that selfish is a word that I guess more usefully applies to people who hurt other people and people who pursue their own interests at the other people's expense.

I guess selfishness would basically positively correlate with the pain other people can be plausibly be expected to experience from a given action and negatively correlate with the pain the selfish-er reasonably intends to assuage.

So I guess I think suicide is selfish to varying degrees: if you suicide because you skinned your knee, that's pretty selfish (albeit an extreme and stupid example), seeing as your probably subjecting relatives and/or friends to far worse pain; but if you do it because of a terminal and debilitating disease, it would kind of figure that that would be less selfish--you're depriving people of your company for weeks or months to avoid a constant suffering; and the net pain experienced over the lifetime of the selfish-ee would probably not increase all that much, unless they had 2 weeks to live anyway and the remainder of their life has now been dramatically worsened.

Anyway, I guess my point is context, and shades of grey, and boring, messy reality, and stuff like that.

 

[SamTam33]

Like others have said, bringing a child into this world without their consent is the ultimate form of selfishness, IMO.

That said, once I'm here on this earth, my continued existence is not owed to anyone.

People always proclaim that "no parent should have to bury their child." Oh. Okay. But it's cool for children to have to bury their parents? Why?

Anyway, my parents lived over 30 years without me before I was born. They'll be able to live without me again after I die.

It's not as if they sat and pondered my happiness before conceiving me. Therefore I have no responsibility to ponder their sadness before I die.

 

[FuneralCry]

The truth is that those who are not suicidal themselves would never be able to understand in any way what suicidal people go through. We all experience life differently after all, all have different views of life and limits as to what we can cope with.

Nobody should be guilt tripped and forced into enduring a life that they never asked for in the first place. Death, loss and grief are simply an inevitable consequence of choosing to bring humans into this world. There could never be anything wrong with someone choosing to exit when the time is right for them, suicide is a personal decision which should be respected and nobody else should have any say in it.

 

[AllAboard]

Well it's like this, whatever force in the universe that gave me this damnable life, did not give me the things I need to live happily. No inordinate size and strength, no blond hair and blue eyes, no uber rich family that loves me dearly. SO since I was not given the things I feel I need to live, what should I hang out and suffer? Perhaps in my next incarnation I shall have these things. If not I can always ctb, until I get the life I want.

I strongly agree with this

The truth is that those who are not suicidal themselves would never be able to understand in any way what suicidal people go through. We all experience life differently after all, all have different views of life and limits as to what we can cope with.

Nobody should be guilt tripped and forced into enduring a life that they never asked for in the first place. Death, loss and grief are simply an inevitable consequence of choosing to bring humans into this world. There could never be anything wrong with someone choosing to exit when the time is right for them, suicide is a personal decision which should be respected and nobody else should have any say in it.

I love this, very well said

 

[HoneyandGlass]

I've often thought why people say this and the only conclusion I can come to is that it's said out of fear to provoke guilt. Funny thing is I think about my family all the god damn time and their feelings around me ctb'ing and that just loads me with more shitty feelings. I'm a burden so how can it be selfish removing that burden? It's doing them a favour. They are some of the most difficult feelings to deal with man!

 

[Lifeaballache]

CTB is 50% selfish because it leaves the family aside.


eating and masturbating? what are you talking about?

How are those things selfish