Suicide increase

[divinemistress36]

Suicides have increased 30 percent in the past 10 years. Why do you think that is?

 

[sserafim]

It got worse (in reference to "it gets better")

 

[Melly]

Late stage capitalism making people feel estranged from one another. Society put so much emphasis on individuality... But we are social creatures.

 

[LigottiSchopenhauer]

Life is objectively worse for the vast majority of people in the world than it was in 2014

 

[sserafim]

Late stage capitalism making people feel estranged from one another. Society put so much emphasis on individuality... But we are social creatures.

Wdym

Life is objectively worse for the vast majority of people in the world than it was in 2014

How and why?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Without more information it's really hard to say but I would say the corona pandemic plays a big role here. The massive increase of prices in the past 2 years, job market effects and other factors can make people suicidal. I would this is the largest group.

Do u have a source that investigated this and came to the conclusion that 30% more suicides happened in the past years?

 

[divinemistress36]

Well this from 2000-2020 but I don't think it's gone down in the past 4 years

 

[LigottiSchopenhauer]

Wdym

How and why?

Covid ripped apart many people's social bonds to the point where they were impossible to reattach after it ended. The enormous wars in Ukraine and Palestine have destabilized the global order and contributed to a general sense of everything getting scarier and worse. Online dating has, paradoxically, made it more difficult for many people to find satisfying romantic relationships. Extremist and even fascist political movements are rising in power around the globe at a level not seen since the 1920s and 30s, taking away fundamental rights from millions of people. The threats to our basic existence posed by AI, nuclear weapons, and climate change appear more frightening every year. I could go on but you get the point

 

[FuneralCry]

They are the true fortunate ones to me as now they are permanently free from this hellish and meaningless existence, I both envy and admire those who had both the courage and the ability to die on their own terms. No wonder people wish to cease existing on their own terms as existence truly is so incredibly undesirable, I see no value in suffering for decades just to be tormented by old age and die anyway.

 

[sserafim]

Covid ripped apart many people's social bonds to the point where they were impossible to reattach after it ended. The enormous wars in Ukraine and Palestine have destabilized the global order and contributed to a general sense of everything getting scarier and worse. Online dating has, paradoxically, made it more difficult for many people to find satisfying romantic relationships. Extremist and even fascist political movements are rising in power around the globe at a level not seen since the 1920s and 30s, taking away fundamental rights from millions of people. The threats to our basic existence posed by AI, nuclear weapons, and climate change appear more frightening every year. I could go on but you get the point

Do you think that history is repeating itself? It is the 20s (albeit 2020s). What do you think the future will be like? WW3?

 

[LigottiSchopenhauer]

Do you think that history is repeating itself? It is the 20s (albeit 2020s). What do you think the future will be like? WW3?

Not necessarily. I do think that there is a World War II level global destabilizing event coming soon, but with 21st century tech it will look vastly different.

 

[Illegal Preclear]

People are waking up to the ugly, naked truth that this is a Prison Planet and in the last few decades it's become exponentially worse. I see nothing wrong with people waking up to the fact there is nothing inherently wrong with deciding to CTB. Due to primarily:

Covid ripped apart many people's social bonds to the point where they were impossible to reattach after it ended. The enormous wars in Ukraine and Palestine have destabilized the global order and contributed to a general sense of everything getting scarier and worse. Online dating has, paradoxically, made it more difficult for many people to find satisfying romantic relationships. Extremist and even fascist political movements are rising in power around the globe at a level not seen since the 1920s and 30s, taking away fundamental rights from millions of people. The threats to our basic existence posed by AI, nuclear weapons, and climate change appear more frightening every year. I could go on but you get the point

Amongst other things, life on a Prison Planet has no inherent value and you are not betraying something sacred if you decide to leave. In many cases, you're making a logical decision. If only society could WAKE UP to the point where a system of peaceful assisted CTB was put in place - but, that's not likely to happen, because if there was an easy path of escape this wouldn't be a Prison Planet.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Covid ripped apart many people's social bonds to the point where they were impossible to reattach after it ended. The enormous wars in Ukraine and Palestine have destabilized the global order and contributed to a general sense of everything getting scarier and worse. Online dating has, paradoxically, made it more difficult for many people to find satisfying romantic relationships. Extremist and even fascist political movements are rising in power around the globe at a level not seen since the 1920s and 30s, taking away fundamental rights from millions of people. The threats to our basic existence posed by AI, nuclear weapons, and climate change appear more frightening every year. I could go on but you get the point

Interesting. All of those things don't make me suicidal at all.

 

[roo]

loss of community

 

[sserafim]

Not necessarily. I do think that there is a World War II level global destabilizing event coming soon, but with 21st century tech it will look vastly different.

Wdym? What do you think it will look like? Any thoughts or ideas?

Interesting. All of those things don't make me suicidal at all.

Me neither lol

loss of community

What if you never wanted community in the first place?

 

[RosesFlourish]

-A scaling back of human rights
-Covid
-Rising costs of living
-Social Media
-The opioid epidemic
-Indoor isolation

If God is real, he should have just started over because we're probably never going to get better. It feels that way, at least.

 

[sserafim]

-A scaling back of human rights
-Covid
-Rising costs of living
-Social Media
-The opioid epidemic
-Indoor isolation

If God is real, he should have just started over because we're probably never going to get better. It feels that way, at least.

Wdym by "a scaling back of human rights?"

People are waking up to the ugly, naked truth that this is a Prison Planet and in the last few decades it's become exponentially worse. I see nothing wrong with people waking up to the fact there is nothing inherently wrong with deciding to CTB. Due to primarily:

Amongst other things, life on a Prison Planet has no inherent value and you are not betraying something sacred if you decide to leave. In many cases, you're making a logical decision. If only society could WAKE UP to the point where a system of peaceful assisted CTB was put in place - but, that's not likely to happen, because if there was an easy path of escape this wouldn't be a Prison Planet.

@PrisonPlanetBreak

 

[Tesha]

I suspect some of the increase is down to more reliable methods - as these are completed suicides, rather than attempted.

 

[RosesFlourish]

sserafim By a scaling back of human rights, here's some examples
-All of North Korea who constantly makes escaping harder
-The war in Ukraine, because it takes our right to live in peace. For example Volodymr Yezhov, a video game dev for S.T.AL.K.E.R, was killed in the war. The game itself takes place in Ukraine
-The surge in anti-LGBT laws either being considered or passed (Uganda passed laws sentencing some LGBT acts to death)
-The end of Roe vs Wade
-VPN advertisements were just outlawed in Russia

 

[dragonofenvy]

I've tried to find reasons for this but they all just say "because guns and opioids are more accessible." "Group X suicide rate is increasing." Gee thanks for not telling me why more people are doing it. I think that's probably a factor in why people commit suicide. People keep saying "more people are committing suicide" and not bothering with reasons, just methods. Maybe they should try helping people live better lives so they don't commit suicide in the first place but nope that's way too radical.

I guess they're right in that there are many more accessible methods now. But that doesn't explain the underlying problem of why people are doing it in the first place. Guess it's time to theorize.

The world economy is really bad. People are having a harder time affording basic things while wages have not moved. Anecdotally speaking 10 months ago I was doing fine, then in a 5-month period I became a "food insecure household" according to the government while my wages increased by 75 cents per hour. Meanwhile, my grocery bill went up by about 40%. If I had kids I'd be homeless and they'd be in an orphanage. People are not made to constantly stress about their finances 24/7.

People are having fewer social connections. Many of them are only online. This is also partly caused by the economy being bad since people can't afford to do hobbies to meet people but also just the fact that the world has dramatically changed to where irl interactions, especially among young people is challenging.

Probably mostly an American problem, but many people have become disenfranchised with higher education as they get a lot of debt for something that's not a guarantee for a good career path. Sometimes their degrees are useless, sometimes jobs want degrees that don't need them. Many students are underpaid and just feel hopeless because they can't escape their debt or feel immense pressure. I bet addressing this would reduce the suicide rates among students.

I did see something about how the world happiness is at an all time low. Mostly due to inequality. It's strange because more people say they're living their best lives AND more people are living the worst lives. The gap in the middle is shrinking. Same thing with income inequality (again, an American problem but maybe it's the same in your country. I know here the middle class is drastically shrinking while there are more rich people and more poor people with fewer being middle class).

Lastly, I think the dissolution of families is playing a big factor into this. I don't think it needs to be said that not growing up without one or both of your parents is bad for the children involved. That seems to be occurring more frequently now at the cost of future generations' happiness.

 

[UKscotty]

1. Suicide methods are more accessible
2. Governments have cut MH services
3. Failure to prevent suicides effectively
4. Social media causing more depression and anxiety
5. We exercise less and eat more junk

 

[untothedepths]

Life sucks. Inequality + Lack of compassion for all humankind + oroboros = that.

 

[tbroken]

Life sucks. Inequality + Lack of compassion for all humankind + oroboros = that.

This, plus overpopulation.
Some boomers made a lot of mess with their di*s and vagin*s.

 

[juna]

Stress, Sedentary lifestyle, loneliness epidemic, covid exacerbated mental health disorders, high cost of living, opioid crisis, social media, societal pressure( earlier people used to do things as per society like getting married or finding a job, nowadays, people are becoming individuals and don't want to cower to pressure, so they are more stressed), job losses, mental health issues

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I think that more people are starting to understand just how shitty and futile life is

 

[halleyscomet]

Suicides have increased 30 percent in the past 10 years. Why do you think that is?

1) lack of mh resources: across the world millions of services are underfunded and neglected by governments. this has resulted in diagnosis and support being given way too late & the loss of hope results in cbt.

2) the economy: cost of living is at an all time high, financial issues are a common reason for cbt. the majority of humanity cannot afford a good quality of life.

3) documentation of catastrophic events: with the rise of social media and technology, you can see what is happening in the world at your fingertips. however negativity is more published in the media, the constant suffering is too much for a lot of us.

4) increased life span: this can explain increases of cbt in the elderly, as the human body ages quality of life gets worse, a lot of people don't want to live in a decaying body.

5) mh awareness: mh awareness is a good thing don't get me wrong. but with social media it can become toxic very quickly. people romanticise their illness or compete with other people to see who can get sicker. this results in cbt.

6) online shopping: it is now easier than ever to get supplies for cbt.

7) cancel culture: if you do something wrong, your life can be ruined. this results in cbt.

8) lack of compassion: people are just a lot less sympathetic nowadays. it's the norm to be selfish and cruel.

9) lack of religion: most people do not follow religions or believe in an afterlife anymore, i think this causes cbt as religion is very commonly used as a reason not to cbt.

10) 1st world: there is no need to just survive anymore. there are so many societal expectations to uphold. i think a lot of us wouldnt even think about cbt if we lived rurally just surviving day by day. as more is expected from humanity, and more people really think about the point in living, they choose to cbt.

this is what i can think of off the top of my head

 

[conflagration]

There is research that SSRIs actually increases suicide rate in age group up to 24 years.
Other than that technology is fucking up world more and more causing mental illneses (e.g. it increases people isolation which has direct effect on mental health).

 

[AnyWonderBR]

Individuals cannot heal, if society does not heal.

Trauma is not what happens to you (it's traumatic), but what happens inside of you, as a result of what happened to you.

The essence of trauma is feeling godforsaken, cut off from the human race.

The simple truth is that suicide as it is right now (and has been for...many years) is simply a feature and not a bug, in a world built not only exploitation and alienation, but on the promise that you too can escape this..but only in an approved way...and for a grand fee. No matter how many campaigns or messages or whatever, deep down...they ultimately accept suicide, because to change the world...is frightening.

Who needs to change? Profits, exploitation, capitalism, the government, pharmaceutical companies, the mental health industry, the culture, the foundations...all of it must change. We've done our part...but will they "put in the work", as so many therapists love to use that phrase? No, they won't.

Any death, regardless of why and how that death happened, is a defeat for this system, a defeat for a society of consumers, a society of the hoarding of narcissistic vices, destructive, and ultimately concluding in perdition.

Not only that, but to want to tear yourself away from this cloth, is insulting to them, because they feel that you owe them your talents, your worth, your ontological being as it were. You belong to them, a slave among slaves. It's the same reason many are angry at suicide victims.

I frankly am sick of this.

 

[losing hope]

Trauma is not what happens to you (it's traumatic), but what happens inside of you, as a result of what happened to you.

Did you get that line from Dr Gabor Mate, who says that quite often in his podcasts. I love Dr Mate, such a compassionate / caring soul and am currently reading his book "when the body keeps score."

Totally agree with your post. I would also add that the UK gov at least is trying to take away ctb methods like sodium nitirite. As well as stop us from accessing this forum via their recent law change; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023

Clever ppl, like us lot are asking why are they doing that if our lives should be getting better? The only realistic conclusion is dead ppl don't pay taxes = this is a prison planet. So ironically, the UK gov actions of restricting SN & free speech in the UK is helping me overcome my SI & makes me want to ctb more.

Was reading about the history of suicide, and it seems Arguments that suicide is permissible were talked about openly 100 years ago; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_suicide and in some cultures like Japanese Samurai or Anient Greece, it wasn't seen in a bad light at all. However it has only been in the last 200 odd years that authorities have started to strict suicides. What also happened about 200 years ago? The Industrial revolution. I don't think those two things are coincidence.

Not least because other taboo subjects are more acceptable today to talk about. Whereas with suicide, as elluded to above. it doesn't seem to have moved on since 1961 in the UK at least?

 

[AnyWonderBR]

Did you get that line from Dr Gabor Mate, who says that quite often in his podcasts. I love Dr Mate, such a compassionate / caring soul and am currently reading his book "when the body keeps score."

Totally agree with your post. I would also add that the UK gov at least is trying to take away ctb methods like sodium nitirite. As well as stop us from accessing this forum via their recent law change; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023

Clever ppl, like us lot are asking why are they doing that if our lives should be getting better? The only realistic conclusion is dead ppl don't pay taxes = this is a prison planet. So ironically, the UK gov actions of restricting SN & free speech in the UK is helping me overcome my SI & makes me want to ctb more.

Was reading about the history of suicide, and it seems Arguments that suicide is permissible were talked about openly 100 years ago; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_suicide and in some cultures like Japanese Samurai or Anient Greece, it wasn't seen in a bad light at all. However it has only been in the last 200 odd years that authorities have started to strict suicides. What also happened about 200 years ago? The Industrial revolution. I don't think those two things are coincidence.

Not least because other taboo subjects are more acceptable today to talk about. Whereas with suicide, as elluded to above. it doesn't seem to have moved on since 1961 in the UK at least?

Yes, I very much follow and read up on Dr. Gabor Maté's work. The crazy thing is that even though everything makes sense with what he says, plus other individuals like him who also clearly see the writing on the wall, it is abundantly clear that their work is simply not listened to and acknowledged in mainstream society. I already posted my reasons why, and from your own post you seem to understand too.