Discussion Suicide doesn't exist, we are being slaughtered

[BeansOfRequirement]

Why are you here?​

Did someone fire you when they could have done differently? Did someone decide not to hire you despite being able to? Did someone break up with you? Are you unable to find someone that will listen to you? Are you being neglected, abused? Are people choosing to not date you? Are people misdiagnosing you and prescribing harmful medications haphazardly? Do you not have a place to sleep in, despite being surrounded by unoccupied properties? Are people interfering with your attempts at obtaining peace of mind by way of having a reliable exit strategy? Did your partner cheat on you? Are your classmates helping each other with schoolwork and giving you the cold shoulder? Do people around you mistreat you do for being different in some way? Did someone fuck you into existence without hesitation or forethought?

One thing that I've learned from plunging into the depths is that everyone is connected. Our action and inaction will kill many people on a daily basis. Deaths from preventable causes, the biggest one being birth, exist. Every day by doing nothing I am killing, and at the same time I am slowly killed.

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Our narrow view of things will have us believe that we are individuals, when we are anything but. Live in complete isolation and you are still not separate, there is no escape.

Manslaughter,


the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or in circumstances not amounting to murder.


What is an example of manslaughter?

The unintentional death of another person as a result of reckless actions, negligence, criminal activity, or any person's actions is involuntary manslaughter. There are several examples of involuntary manslaughter, from texting and driving, to using and abusing drugs, and discharging a firearm.
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Just a half-baked idea that came to mind, post your thoughts about this. I also want to clarify that I'm not really being misanthropic here, this is more of an analysis of how I've seen things work (or not work, rather). Also, nothing new under the sun and all that; I've seen people post very similar things on here so sry for the repetition, lol. Guess it's mostly a vent/boo-hoo-post.

 

[Insomniac]

Well, suicide is never what it looks like. In Africa, we have a saying about suicide that I don't know how to translate in English. But it basically says that a suicide is in fact a conspired murder. It's people close to you who subconsciously pressure you to kill yourself (human sacrfice) but the pressuring happens on a spiritual level so it looks like you're the one who decided you should die, when it's in fact that you have been chosen as a human sacrifice for them to be able to go forward.

As a result, Africans families tend to hide it when someone commit suicide, also because they are afraid of being perceived as leeches.

It's a bit different from what you're saying but I feel like it's not so different.

 

[TotallyIsolated]

I'm not sure I get it, but I support your right to vent and be angry.

 

[lobster salad]

Well, I think many people just don't understand and know what to do. Since forever suicidals have been difficult to understand. we are just a strange breed. What doesn't help is when the internet and the social medias let conceptualisation, stereotypes and misinformation form a picture of who we are and people in general become more ignorant to not bother listening carefully to us cos they think they know everything better based on what they "read and learnt". and this makes them useless to us as they don't know what to do to make anything better. and some of us are trapped from our mental state, we don't have energy and words and time to explain to them or bear any insults we may get in return from doing literally anything...

 

[FuneralCry]

Well you could say that life is what kills us and is what drives us to ctb. The actions of others is what contributes to our decision to ctb. But of course suicide exists as we are the ones who are in control, and we make the decision to end our suffering. Your post is very interesting and you seem to be quite intelligent.

 

[Idontrecognizemyself]

Oh absolutely. I'm en track to public health nursing right now and one of the biggest takeaways for me from everything I've learned is how as people we are all just a sum of resources available to us. You can almost certainly dictate how a person's life is going to go (and end!) based on the ways we as a society treat them. In my classes, this idea is utilized most frequently in understanding disease processes, but can absolutely be applied to mental health and suicide. If you had a human under a microscope let's say, and decided to limit their access to food and nutrition, socially isolate or alienate them, remove shelter, throw harmful psych meds at any problems they try to seek help for instead of addressing root causes, etc etc- you could almost GUARANTEE that person would start to look for a way out.

I don't know what's going on for you right now to be reflecting on this, but it's always meaningful to me to reflect on the ways I myself, as an individual, did NOT fail- I was set up for failure before I was even born. It has nothing to do with *us*, we're just wheels in a system that really doesn't care that much. I hope that explanation was coherent and provides some clarity to your situation either way : )

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Well you could say that life is what kills us and is what drives us to ctb. The actions of others is what contributes to our decision to ctb. But of course suicide exists as we are the ones who are in control, and we make the decision to end our suffering.

On some level, sure. I was being a bit hyperbolic in the title.

I don't agree that we are in control or that we make decisions in a half-vacuum (if you will). I am actually a hard determinist (now that I managed to shake some irrational beliefs), looking at things in terms of decisions and choices doesn't come naturally to me.

Your post is very interesting and you seem to be quite intelligent.

Your posts are very intelligent, as well.

I don't know what's going on for you right now to be reflecting on this, but it's always meaningful to me to reflect on the ways I myself, as an individual, did NOT fail- I was set up for failure before I was even born. It has nothing to do with *us*, we're just wheels in a system that really doesn't care that much. I hope that explanation was coherent and provides some clarity to your situation either way : )

I think you can look at it in several ways. A lot of speech is some form of coping by way of angling. Even writing this now I can assume so many different perspectives that all seem reasonable, everyone can, so we tend to choose the one that "works". I can assume a functional definition of free will, blame and responsibility; then shoulder the weight of "choices" made. I can focus on hard determinism or impermanence to cope. I can do what I did in the original post, place myself in that sort of a social context.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

 

[Scribble Fan]

I kind of get what you mean. As a child I was abused a lot and as a direct result I have these mental illnesses that I have to deal with. My abusers took everything from me. Now I'd rather just CTB than continue on but it's not my fault. It's directly their responsibility but of course they barely try to understand me.

Feels more like they murdered me than anything...

 

[Trueform]

This is really based.

 

[PrisonBreak]

I agree. It feels like I'm being forced to leave this place against my will. What I don't understand is why do I have to kill myself to leave. Why not just free me in an accident or heart attack or something.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I think it's undeniable that we really are all embedded in a network, affecting each other in many and complex ways. This idea is sometimes referred to as "universal relatedness" and is a necessary feature of so-called 'superdeterministic' physical theories of the universe, which I believe will eventually prevail as the ultimate description of reality. Even just by talking to another person, you are affecting their neurons and your neurons are in turn being affected by their speech. But of course there are an uncountable number of other ways by which people's actions or inactions can affect others beyond conversations, and many of these exert effects without the people involved even knowing of each others' existence. But unlike the stereotypical hippie interpretation that we're "all one" which likes to spin this idea in a purely positive light, our connectedness means that we in fact contribute to one other's pain and suffering, knowingly or not, willingly or not.​

 

[mlha]

so-called 'superdeterministic' physical theories of the universe, which I believe will eventually prevail as the ultimate description of reality.

I can't see that, because superdeterminism is unfalsifiable. But yeah, there are already deterministic interpretations of quantum mechanics.

 

[Someone123]

Well, suicide is never what it looks like. In Africa, we have a saying about suicide that I don't know how to translate in English. But it basically says that a suicide is in fact a conspired murder. It's people close to you who subconsciously pressure you to kill yourself (human sacrfice) but the pressuring happens on a spiritual level so it looks like you're the one who decided you should die, when it's in fact that you have been chosen as a human sacrifice for them to be able to go forward.

As a result, Africans families tend to hide it when someone commit suicide, also because they are afraid of being perceived as leeches.

It's a bit different from what you're saying but I feel like it's not so different.

Many suicides are conscious murders, especially when kids in school deliberately drive other kids to suicide- many are very deliberate and manipulative.

 

[Yakamoz]

I think it's undeniable that we really are all embedded in a network, affecting each other in many and complex ways. This idea is sometimes referred to as "universal relatedness" and is a necessary feature of so-called 'superdeterministic' physical theories of the universe, which I believe will eventually prevail as the ultimate description of reality. Even just by talking to another person, you are affecting their neurons and your neurons are in turn being affected by their speech. But of course there are an uncountable number of other ways by which people's actions or inactions can affect others beyond conversations, and many of these exert effects without the people involved even knowing of each others' existence. But unlike the stereotypical hippie interpretation that we're "all one" which likes to spin this idea in a purely positive light, our connectedness means that we in fact contribute to one other's pain and suffering, knowingly or not, willingly or not.​

A very good post

 

[Someone123]

Why are you here?​

Did someone fire you when they could have done differently? Did someone decide not to hire you despite being able to? Did someone break up with you? Are you unable to find someone that will listen to you? Are you being neglected, abused? Are people choosing to not date you? Are people misdiagnosing you and prescribing harmful medications haphazardly? Do you not have a place to sleep in, despite being surrounded by unoccupied properties? Are people interfering with your attempts at obtaining peace of mind by way of having a reliable exit strategy? Did your partner cheat on you? Are your classmates helping each other with schoolwork and giving you the cold shoulder? Do people around you mistreat you do for being different in some way? Did someone fuck you into existence without hesitation or forethought?

One thing that I've learned from plunging into the depths is that everyone is connected. Our action and inaction will kill many people on a daily basis. Deaths from preventable causes, the biggest one being birth, exist. Every day by doing nothing I am killing, and at the same time I am slowly killed.

​

Our narrow view of things will have us believe that we are individuals, when we are anything but. Live in complete isolation and you are still not separate, there is no escape.

Manslaughter,


the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or in circumstances not amounting to murder.


What is an example of manslaughter?

The unintentional death of another person as a result of reckless actions, negligence, criminal activity, or any person's actions is involuntary manslaughter. There are several examples of involuntary manslaughter, from texting and driving, to using and abusing drugs, and discharging a firearm.
​

Just a half-baked idea that came to mind, post your thoughts about this. I also want to clarify that I'm not really being misanthropic here, this is more of an analysis of how I've seen things work (or not work, rather). Also, nothing new under the sun and all that; I've seen people post very similar things on here so sry for the repetition, lol. Guess it's mostly a vent/boo-hoo-post.

There is a lot of truth to this, but it is not all true. This is not half-baked or silly or just a vent, a high percentage of suicides are caused in large part by deliberate bullying, for example, or by conscious abuse/ neglect, etc. Some ideas here make more sense than others, but there is a lot here that actually makes sense in part and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this overall thinking is included down the road someday in the science of the field, which is so far off track now, which explains in part why therapy is so often ineffective. When you say- did someone choose not to date you- this hits a bit close to home, not in choosing not to date you exactly, but in situations where two shy people wanted to get together maybe but they didn't because they didn't quite get it together and if they knew a little better they would have and their lives would have been a lot better.

 

[Euthanza]

We are being slaughtered ---> yes, but indirectly. Death lottery is brought by nature and the society with religious marketing. We are all dying, every living being is dying, it's just matter of time we'll all be dead, every possibility is open except the peaceful method which is currently being gatekept by medical association.
But it's fact that suicide does exist, it's just being prohibited and denied by the NPC normies.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I agree. It feels like I'm being forced to leave this place against my will. What I don't understand is why do I have to kill myself to leave. Why not just free me in an accident or heart attack or something.

Yeah, I've often asked this- do you mean an accident/heart attack from God or whoever is running the show? (If there is something).

I can only conclude that they want us to suffer- what else can you conclude? Ok, they want us to figure out our own way out of things- but we WILL suffer along the way. Both my Grandparents were begging for death long before they got it. I just don't see how people can say 'God is good and compassionate' if they set things up to be like this and continue to let it happen.

It's actually much more reassuring to believe there's nothing because if there is something, there's no way they're playing fair.

Why are you here?​

Did someone fire you when they could have done differently? Did someone decide not to hire you despite being able to? Did someone break up with you? Are you unable to find someone that will listen to you? Are you being neglected, abused? Are people choosing to not date you? Are people misdiagnosing you and prescribing harmful medications haphazardly? Do you not have a place to sleep in, despite being surrounded by unoccupied properties? Are people interfering with your attempts at obtaining peace of mind by way of having a reliable exit strategy? Did your partner cheat on you? Are your classmates helping each other with schoolwork and giving you the cold shoulder? Do people around you mistreat you do for being different in some way? Did someone fuck you into existence without hesitation or forethought?

One thing that I've learned from plunging into the depths is that everyone is connected. Our action and inaction will kill many people on a daily basis. Deaths from preventable causes, the biggest one being birth, exist. Every day by doing nothing I am killing, and at the same time I am slowly killed.

​

Our narrow view of things will have us believe that we are individuals, when we are anything but. Live in complete isolation and you are still not separate, there is no escape.

Manslaughter,


the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or in circumstances not amounting to murder.


What is an example of manslaughter?

The unintentional death of another person as a result of reckless actions, negligence, criminal activity, or any person's actions is involuntary manslaughter. There are several examples of involuntary manslaughter, from texting and driving, to using and abusing drugs, and discharging a firearm.
​

Just a half-baked idea that came to mind, post your thoughts about this. I also want to clarify that I'm not really being misanthropic here, this is more of an analysis of how I've seen things work (or not work, rather). Also, nothing new under the sun and all that; I've seen people post very similar things on here so sry for the repetition, lol. Guess it's mostly a vent/boo-hoo-post.

I do get where you are coming from and I think you are right in many cases. Whether it's a trauma from a specific incident/person we are carrying round or just the weariness of being exploited by an uncaring society, I think that is a contributing factor as to why many people want to ctb.

Still, I'd argue that some rejection/neglect/abuse is worse than others. Obviously- any 'real' abuse/neglect is absolutely disgusting and should be intolerable.

Rejection though- sadly- is a part of life. Yes, we should try and do it as gently as possible but there may be many reasons we are just not compatible with that job/person- imagine if everyone always said 'yes' then regretted it afterwards- that wouldn't end well either. I think the problem is how we perceive rejection as outright failure when really- it's just an indication that things aren't quite matching up well at that point in time.

 

[foreverfalling]

It is like when a child keeps asking why. You can keep going deeper and deeper, and eventually you can blame your problems on anything, like being born, because the sun is shining, because some butterfly flapped its wings. It can be comforting sometimes to think this way, that I'm not at fault for my problems, it's because the universe decided so. That I didn't make a shitty choice, but all my experiences and situation combined was why that choice was made. It makes it less personal.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

It is like when a child keeps asking why. You can keep going deeper and deeper, and eventually you can blame your problems on anything, like being born, because the sun is shining, because some butterfly flapped its wings. It can be comforting sometimes to think this way, that I'm not at fault for my problems, it's because the universe decided so. That I didn't make a shitty choice, but all my experiences and situation combined was why that choice was made. It makes it less personal.

Not sure what your actual stance is. Libertarian free will? I don't believe in fault or blame atm, and choices to me are but automatic calculations. Could be wrong, though. It does make sense to pretend like free will exists if there's even a shred of doubt (Pascal's wager type thing). If the position has a positive effect (assuming that "effects" exist, which I probably shouldn't), then great, but I'm ultimately interested in what's true/most likely to be true.

Btw, everyone, please stop replying to things I've written ages ago (read the signature).

I'll also add that it's impossible to "blame people" when they don't have free will...

I am very volatile and will change my beliefs constantly, I might have written this in some confused in-between state (unironically used the phrase "could have done differently"). This is why, in my signature, I ask people to not fucking dig shit up since I won't even agree with myself. I actually disagree with my post here, but we don't have any system for deleting/anonymizing without calling on mods. Fuck this planet.

 

[Ligottian]

The "mad" actor and poet Antonin Artaud used the term "suicided by society".