Discussion Suicide, Criticism of life.

[RW__Asher23]

This is from old friend past owner of "ashweb". "Falcon" During a conversation on Usenet alt.suicide.holiday. ASH this was said and I agree with it. Think it is definately critizeing life in a new light.
"Suicide . . . is about life, being in fact the sincerest form of criticism life gets."
- Wilfrid Sheed
So many people hate hearing or being criticized and they also don't like discussion about suicide because it is in itself criticizing life.
Well just wondering what you might feel or think and if you agree with that. As for me?
"Tomorrow is another day. Damn."
Peace.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Yes, I definitely agree. I think suicide is a very intense form of rebellion against whatever circumstances we are fighting- it's the strongest form of saying- 'I'm not willing to put up with this anymore.' Be it being burdened with a frail, ill body. Or, being in a life that simply isn't working for us- and we can't see a way of meaningfully improving it.

I think the onus is so often turned back on the individual- YOU have to make life work (we all do- type thing.) Sometimes we CAN'T or- don't want to though. Some health problems are untreatable and become debhilitating. Some people's lives are stacked up against them. Some people just simply don't like the life they have- regardless of how good or bad it is.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised really- I don't think society likes people who complain. Like you say- suicide is the biggest way of lodging a complaint!

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I don´t agree, if killing is a way to critizise life, it is more efficient to kill others. If you commit suicide you kill only one person.

A person who commits suicide believes that being dead is better than being alive. That must not naturally mean that his life is bad, he or she just believes that being dead is better. An example are suicide bomberts who are keen on 72 virgins.

 

[FuneralCry]

And I think that this is why many people are against suicide and see it as being something "irrational", as they simply don't want to come to terms with the fact that for many people existence is simply not worth enduring as it would shatter their worldview. Suicide can certainly be seen as a criticism of life as it emphasises the fact that for a lot of people death is simply preferable to staying here and to me it makes so much sense to wish to not exist, as there could never be anything worth staying here for and anyway to die would solve everything for me. The very nature and reality of this existence is something that I despise.

 

[Unending]

And I think that this is why many people are against suicide and see it as being something "irrational", as they simply don't want to come to terms with the fact that for many people existence is simply not worth enduring as it would shatter their worldview. Suicide can certainly be seen as a criticism of life as it emphasises the fact that for a lot of people death is simply preferable to staying here and to me it makes so much sense to wish to not exist, as there could never be anything worth staying here for and anyway to die would solve everything for me. The very nature and reality of this existence is something that I despise.

It really perplexes me how people are deemed irrational when not liking life is literally a part of life. It didn't spring out of non-exsitence. It literally is only possible because of life itself and the conditions that it entails. Oh, yeah. Also, I don't think anyone, or at least anyone rational would deem you irrational for having a dislike or preference against anything else.

 

[SexyIncél]

No one likes a computer that crashes on its own

Suicides are inconvenient for the big institutions: families, workplaces, religions. Land lords don't like to dispose of bodies. Suicides affect others too, who may get the wrong ideas. And your suicide may make others look bad

 

[Ultracheese]

I don´t agree, if killing is a way to critizise life, it is more efficient to kill others. If you commit suicide you kill only one person.

A person who commits suicide believes that being dead is better than being alive. That must not naturally mean that his life is bad, he or she just believes that being dead is better. An example are suicide bomberts who are keen on 72 virgins.

I get this perspective and it makes sense, but I don't believe murder always serves the same purpose that suicide does. Murder can serve as a way of saying "I don't like my life, and I don't like the way you're living yours" but it can also be about having power over another person or just revenge. I think it depends on the situation. Let me know if I've misunderstood anything you've said. I really liked your post and it made me think of a philosophical angle I haven't considered before.

 

[RW__Asher23]

I like the answers I am seeing here in this place of non existance in the physical sense isolated and protected from the outside world where without a doubt we would be criticized for pointing out (Criticizing) the faults we find in life. Reasons are in the millions for ctb throughout the world. Life itself is like a reflecting pool it reflects itself in all of us and sometimes some of us will be forever scared and life becomes unbearable. Sort of like looking into the abyss too long. But we had no choice. No one asks to be brought into this life but we can leave it when life seems to have opened the door without kicking you in the ass to go out it but nonetheless there it is. There I find more questions but that's for another post. Keep bringing the answers to this post. I go from one to the other. I have had a long life Brought back to life twice. Actually dead and forced back to here. Like I say, Tomorrow is another day...... Dam!
Suicide-sanctioned in it's strange way has, like a.s.h. did in the past kept me coming back for more. I shot myself during those a.s.h. years but survived. Self abuse? Hmm. But I am here. Like you who read this. Do you think this place has had an effect on you too? To go or stay or thinking..... ? People want to do away with your right to come here express what you feel. If this goes they make laws to stop our little island here isolated and protected who will be next. Once that ball gets rolling ... Hope not but I don't even know if I will be here tomorrow.
Peace.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I get this perspective and it makes sense, but I don't believe murder always serves the same purpose that suicide does. Murder can serve as a way of saying "I don't like my life, and I don't like the way you're living yours" but it can also be about having power over another person or just revenge. I think it depends on the situation. Let me know if I've misunderstood anything you've said. I really liked your post and it made me think of a philosophical angle I haven't considered before.

Your words made me rethink my post:

If someone commits suicide or murder other people wold not think he criticises life in itself, they would only think that he or she has problems with his own life or is an evel murderer. Words are the best way to criticise something. Propaganda against life is the method of choice, How good this probaganda is can be measured in how many people are talked into suicide. Of course this is maximum power over other persons.

Don´t get me wrong, this is a theroretical discussion, I don´t want someone to be talked into suicide!