Suicide by train: inside knowledge

[JWL]

A train conductor has to expect at some point that he might see a suicide.It sort of comes with the job.

No, s/he doesn't. No, it doesn't. It's totally delusional to think otherwise.

When I go to my job, I don't expect that some selfish bastard will choose to splatter his or her brains upon my innocent body. And I certainly don't choose to think 'it goes with my job'.

WTF is wrong with some of ya?? Grow up!

 

[JWL]

He probably means,dont put more burdens on suicidal people.They already have plenty.

Burdens? Oh, you mean responsibility for your own actions?? Gotcha...

 

[Arak]

@JWL ,
You're being argumentative.

Whenever someone commits suicide, other people will be hurt. Suicide by train is gory by its nature and it will upset the driver.
But is there really one method that will hurt noone else ? Even when one takes N someone will find the body. What if it's decomposed ?

Friends and family will feel pain.

Not everyone has the luxury of choosing an ideal method. For many reasons it's not an optimal method, but presumably for some peopel it may be the only way. It's usually very brutal for those committing the act !
Using derisive terms for people who choose this method helps noone. Virtually everyone who uses this method would prefer an alternative.

 

[drakewantstogo]

At that point, run over to the moving train and put your neck over the rail. You'll have to be quick, to get in between the moving bogeys (the wheel assemblies). It goes without saying, that you'll need to find a slow-moving train. A good example of this, is places where trains have to slow to a crawl or even stop, at signals. Usually to wait for another train coming the other way, to pass by.

Wait wait, so the point is go and put your neck between train cars? Wouldn't it be easier to put it before the train comes and get hit at full speed?

 

[ManWithNoName]

No, s/he doesn't. No, it doesn't. It's totally delusional to think otherwise.

When I go to my job, I don't expect that some selfish bastard will choose to splatter his or her brains upon my innocent body. And I certainly don't choose to think 'it goes with my job'.

WTF is wrong with some of ya?? Grow up!

JWL if possible, could you tell us more about your job?

 

[JWL]

He probably means,dont put more burdens on suicidal people.They already have plenty.

Oh, right, so just don't overburden them/us by making them accountable and responsible, and let them do what they want regardless of the consequences for any poor sod who happens to get in the way. Glad I finally got it. I didn't understand at first...

 

[JWL]

@JWL ,
You're being argumentative.

If protesting against some pretty dubious argument for involving innocent others in your ctb decision is 'being argumentative' then, yes, put me down for that. And calling someone 'argumentative' for taking a viewpoint against selfish suicide is akin to the recent trend of calling anyone who doesn't agree with your views a 'snowflake'.

 

[Chinaski]

'...train drivers being a proteced species'. I'm not judgeing (or preaching), but we all have to live and/or die by SOME moral code of behaviour. What you say here in such a slick way is nothing short of 'yeah, tough on the driver, but I gotta do my thing, man. Gross selfishness! I want and have to ctb, but I don't feel like I want to crap over everyone else in my efforts. I've read a lot about 'work out your plan' on here, but it seems to me this kind of selfish ctb is no plan at all. Just me me me.

That's clearly not what I'm saying. What l did say is there for all to see. To reiterate the point, "you are selfish for doing this" is perhaps not an appropriate judgment to pass on a forum discussing effective suicide methods. The same points were discussed in more detail in this thread, the points l made in this thread also apply here and l stand by them:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/headbutting-a-train.10073/#post-181557

 

[MiserableBastard1995]

I respect that, I really do.

Do feel free to point me in the direction of a method that is effective with a high sucess rate - without the use of firearms, because guns are very difficult to acquire in Europe.

May I suggest long drop hanging? If done right, you're out instantly and dead within 30 minutes.

 

[JWL]

That's clearly not what I'm saying. What l did say is there for all to see. To reiterate the point, "you are selfish for doing this" is perhaps not an appropriate judgment to pass on a forum discussing effective suicide methods. The same points were discussed in more detail in this thread, the points l made in this thread also apply here and l stand by them:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/headbutting-a-train.10073/#post-181557

And what I said is there clear for all to say and I stand by my words. You paraphrase me selectively to support your own point. I would say "You are selfish for doing this" PLUS "when you plan to cause innocent others harm by your sheer lack of thought, consideration, humanity, and planning. The SECOND part of my argument is precisely what should be discussed and debated on a forum discussing suicide!

 

[JWL]

May I suggest long drop hanging? If done right, you're out instantly and dead within 30 minutes.

30 minutes? Must be a very long rope. Should we take a book...?

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

May I suggest long drop hanging? If done right, you're out instantly and dead within 30 minutes.

if you do it with a long enough drop youre dead with miliseconds because your head gets chopped off

 

[ManWithNoName]

May I suggest long drop hanging? If done right, you're out instantly and dead within 30 minutes.

I hear ya - but with a fast moving train it's much quicker.

 

[ManWithNoName]

The other drawback to ctb via train is that it doesn't allow for a more discrete exit. People, as well as some of the media are going to want to know who the asshole was that delayed their train.

This compilation was done as a result of those who ctb'd via train and ended up in the news:

 

[Chinaski]

And what I said is there clear for all to say and I stand by my words. You paraphrase me selectively to support your own point. I would say "You are selfish for doing this" PLUS "when you plan to cause innocent others harm by your sheer lack of thought, consideration, humanity, and planning. The SECOND part of my argument is precisely what should be discussed and debated on a forum discussing suicide!

Gibberish. You're outwardly criticising those who consider this method, not the method itself. All methods involve trauma and can be considered by some to be "selfish". We know this, and don't need threads giving information on methods to be injected with trite sanctimony. This is why we discuss it here and not on Quora.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Not everyone has the luxury of choosing an ideal method. For many reasons it's not an optimal method, but presumably for some peopel it may be the only way. It's usually very brutal for those committing the act !
Using derisive terms for people who choose this method helps noone. Virtually everyone who uses this method would prefer an alternative.

Precisely. I'd opt for firearms and cyanide if those were easily available in Europe.

 

[BjartNO]

Although decapitation is not my thing whatsoever, as a part of the ongoing crusade against train conductors I have now decided to hang myself - from a moving train. I will fully suspend myself from the front motor unit car - when the conductor least expects it.

 

[JWL]

Gibberish. You're outwardly criticising those who consider this method, not the method itself. All methods involve trauma and can be considered by some to be "selfish". We know this, and don't need threads giving information on methods to be injected with trite sanctimony. This is why we discuss it here and not on Quora.

Gibberish?
Trite sanctimony?

You need to calm down and relax. Make a sound argument. Personal attacks don't help. You seem to have a superior attitude that won't accept different opinions. If you can't argue rationally, just pass me by.

 

[JWL]

The other drawback to ctb via train is that it doesn't allow for a more discrete exit. People, as well as some of the media are going to want to know who the asshole was that delayed their train.

This compilation was done as a result of those who ctb'd via train and ended up in the news:

1:24 Not the Hogwarts Express, surely...?!?

 

[Chinaski]

I've just linked you to another thread where I've already made the counter-argument, you've seen it because you're currently posting crap in it.

Yes, trite sanctimony. Entering a thread with info on a method to preach about the selfish nature of any individual considering what is an efficient and common method and assessing such people as beneath you according to your own moral compass. It's crap, frankly.

 

[JWL]

I've just linked you to another thread where I've already made the counter-argument, you've seen it because you're currently posting crap in it.

Yes, trite sanctimony. Entering a thread with info on a method to preach about the selfish nature of any individual considering what is an efficient and common method and assessing such people as beneath you according to your own moral compass. It's crap, frankly.

That was a counter-argument? Not your best work.

 

[Chinaski]

That was a counter-argument? Not your best work.

Good post.

 

[JWL]

Good post.

Ironic that I'm in serious opposition to Tony Benn MP, one of my life heroes...

 

[Chinaski]

Ironic that I'm in serious opposition to Tony Benn MP, one of my life heroes...

They do say you get more right-wing as you get older.

 

[JWL]

They do say you get more right-wing as you get older.

How far is right-wing from communist?

 

[Chinaski]

How far is right-wing from communist?

Now it all makes sense. Say what you like about communists, but they at least get their trains to run on time.

 

[JWL]

Now it all makes sense. Say what you like about communists, but they at least get their trains to run on time.

So did Franco and Hitler, I believe. And think about this: if you held up one of their trains by this selfish fuck-the-driver suicide nonsense, once they'd scraped your body parts of the front of the train, you'd still have to face 25 years in an NKVD Gulag or Nazi concentration camp. Suicides today just don't know how lucky they are...

 

[ron_g]

No, s/he doesn't. No, it doesn't. It's totally delusional to think otherwise.

When I go to my job, I don't expect that some selfish bastard will choose to splatter his or her brains upon my innocent body. And I certainly don't choose to think 'it goes with my job'.

WTF is wrong with some of ya?? Grow up!

You have strong black and white thinking. Some railway companies teach train conductors how to deal with suicides. E.g. conductors are told to look to the other side and scream so they don't see or hear the suicide. Are they being "totally delusional"?

About my "question". My concern is that suicide prevention drives some suicidals to acts of desperation.

 

[ron_g]

Oh, right, so just don't overburden them/us by making them accountable and responsible, and let them do what they want regardless of the consequences for any poor sod who happens to get in the way. Glad I finally got it. I didn't understand at first...

This is where I should have mentioned your black and white thinking.
Can a starving person be held to the same moral standards as a wealthy and healthy person e.g. regarding protection of the environment?

 

[Chinaski]

So did Franco and Hitler, I believe. And think about this: if you held up one of their trains by this selfish fuck-the-driver suicide nonsense, once they'd scraped your body parts of the front of the train, you'd still have to face 25 years in an NKVD Gulag or Nazi concentration camp. Suicides today just don't know how lucky they are...

Groan.

I am not advocating in favour of this method, and never have. I'm criticising the use of judgemental and condemnatory language which is not befitting in a thread with info on a particular method on a supposedly pro-choice forum. See?