Discussion Suicide as revenge

[Ghostofthepast]

What you were talking about wasn't what I was talking about. I was asking why a person's mental state when catching the bus matters, and you started talking about New York.

No need to be rude my dude

 

[borderline-feline]

No need to be rude my dude

I wasn't being rude. I was clearing up a misunderstanding

 

[Ghostofthepast]

I wasn't being rude. I was clearing up a misunderstanding

Alright

 

[etherealgoddess]

I want to preface by saying that I'm not saying that I'm going to do this, but it has crossed my mind. I'm curious what other people think of the idea of ending your life partially or primarily for the purpose of getting revenge on someone who's wronged you.

Personally, I constantly think about blaming people in my suicide note, because I want some people to suffer and feel guilty about the shit they've put me through, and there's no way that any of them would if I didn't do it that way.

Realistically, I've revised my suicide note thousands of times, because I can't write, so it's always awful no matter how many times I fix it.

Do you think that it's moral or immoral to blame someone in a note or to catch the bus as a means of getting revenge?

This sounds extremely blunt and dream-crushing, but if they were immoral enough to hurt you so badly in the first place, they probably do not care if you suicide or not. The best revenge is at least trying to become successful and then rejecting them and making them feel like shit. That is the biggest sting. Then you can humiliate them all you want.

If you feel any sort of motivation to commit suicide because of revenge, you are not ready yet. You need to make sure that revenge is not a motivator in wanting to commit suicide... like, at all, or else you are losing your life to a stupid cause. You may think it is harsh, but I don't want to just give you pretty words to make you feel better because long-term if you really are looking for the revenge you seek, you will be happier becoming successful and shitting on the people who did you wrong rather than killing yourself to find in your soul form that they don't even give a shit.

 

[borderline-feline]

This sounds extremely blunt and dream-crushing, but if they were immoral enough to hurt you so badly in the first place, they probably do not care if you suicide or not. The best revenge is at least trying to become successful and then rejecting them and making them feel like shit. That is the biggest sting. Then you can humiliate them all you want.

If you feel any sort of motivation to commit suicide because of revenge, you are not ready yet. You need to make sure that revenge is not a motivator in wanting to commit suicide... like, at all, or else you are losing your life to a stupid cause. You may think it is harsh, but I don't want to just give you pretty words to make you feel better because long-term if you really are looking for the revenge you seek, you will be happier becoming successful and shitting on the people who did you wrong rather than killing yourself to find in your soul form that they don't even give a shit.

Revenge isn't even in my top 10 of reasons why I want to commit suicide. This is just something I think about a lot, so I wanted to see other people's opinions on the topic.

 

[etherealgoddess]

Revenge isn't even in my top 10 of reasons why I want to commit suicide. This is just something I think about a lot, so I wanted to see other people's opinions on the topic.

This is just my opinion, though. Not accusing you of doing it necessarily. Just in general for anyone who feels that a strong motive for suicide is to prove to someone else something.

 

[a-friend]

I want to preface by saying that I'm not saying that I'm going to do this, but it has crossed my mind. I'm curious what other people think of the idea of ending your life partially or primarily for the purpose of getting revenge on someone who's wronged you.

Personally, I constantly think about blaming people in my suicide note, because I want some people to suffer and feel guilty about the shit they've put me through, and there's no way that any of them would if I didn't do it that way.

Realistically, I've revised my suicide note thousands of times, because I can't write, so it's always awful no matter how many times I fix it.

Do you think that it's moral or immoral to blame someone in a note or to catch the bus as a means of getting revenge

Whether it's moral/immoral depends on if that person deserves to suffer. Have they done terrible things to you? Are you blaming your struggles on others because there's no way you'd admit you messed up in life so instead you want to bring someone else down with you? Totally not projecting here... haha

 

[jamie_]

If they did something bad to you, they'll be fine with you dead. Any guilt one has will be rationalised as the human mind always does to survive, the same way it already did for them to be ok with hurting you in the first place.

You won't be alive and they'll be fine. Some revenge.

 

[Lavander 230]

I want to preface by saying that I'm not saying that I'm going to do this, but it has crossed my mind. I'm curious what other people think of the idea of ending your life partially or primarily for the purpose of getting revenge on someone who's wronged you.

Personally, I constantly think about blaming people in my suicide note, because I want some people to suffer and feel guilty about the shit they've put me through, and there's no way that any of them would if I didn't do it that way.

Realistically, I've revised my suicide note thousands of times, because I can't write, so it's always awful no matter how many times I fix it.

Do you think that it's moral or immoral to blame someone in a note or to catch the bus as a means of getting revenge?

Why do you care about revenge? If you do this, you wouldn't care anymore. And besides doing it for 1-10 out of 7 billion people? Imo that's just stupid.

 

[HybridSpectre]

Sometimes when I get really angry at the world because of economic inequality, which means I'm poor as a church mouse, making me feel like a total loser, I contemplate going big on suicide as a means of shouting to the world "You have failed me ...", which is sought of like revenge suicide. But then I remember that the world and my family owe me nothing, and I'm immediately humbled. How would a measly human like me think of changing minds or making someone feel sad and guilty? If my presence meant nothing for them, my absence will be meaningless to them too. Very sad, this life, and unfair. Looking forward to my depature.

 

[borderline-feline]

Why do you care about revenge? If you do this, you wouldn't care anymore. And besides doing it for 1-10 out of 7 billion people? Imo that's just stupid.

Everyone cares about revenge. It's human nature to want people who've harmed you to feel pain. How many people involved is completely irrelevant, and I'm not positing it as something I plan to do, nor am I positing it as a person's only or even primary reason for catching the bus. It's not stupid if you just look at it from a different perspective.

 

[hellispink]

People who hurt a person alive won't care when they die either. It doesn't matter if a person blames them, they going to continue being happy hurting others. Revenge suicide is a waste of time cause they gonna be laughing regardless and one will be gone so

 

[borderline-feline]

People who hurt a person alive won't care when they die either. It doesn't matter if a person blames them, they going to continue being happy hurting others. Revenge suicide is a waste of time cause they gonna be laughing regardless and one will be gone so

I've been seeing that argument a lot, but it's not true. Not everyone who causes serious harm to a person is going to be able to feel nothing about that person's death.

 

[starvhmb6]

I want to preface by saying that I'm not saying that I'm going to do this, but it has crossed my mind. I'm curious what other people think of the idea of ending your life partially or primarily for the purpose of getting revenge on someone who's wronged you.

Personally, I constantly think about blaming people in my suicide note, because I want some people to suffer and feel guilty about the shit they've put me through, and there's no way that any of them would if I didn't do it that way.

Realistically, I've revised my suicide note thousands of times, because I can't write, so it's always awful no matter how many times I fix it.

Do you think that it's moral or immoral to blame someone in a note or to catch the bus as a means of getting revenge?

I honestly don't know about this, but I've done something similar.
My mother who is very against therapy and never took me seriously many years ago wanted to get me therapy, but my step dad insisted not to claiming "he won't do anything, it's just a phase." Upon hearing that, I attempted the closest attempt ever. I was very close to dying.
I didn't leave a note, but I mentioned it to a few people.
I think it's somewhat petty, but I say it's somewhat fine. Especially if they do something which can worsen you or cause you to cave in even when knowing how mentally bad you are.
However, unless they abuse you, prevent you from getting help, etc, I'd say it's pretty messed up.

I honestly don't know about this, but I've done something similar.
My mother who is very against therapy and never took me seriously many years ago wanted to get me therapy, but my step dad insisted not to claiming "he won't do anything, it's just a phase." Upon hearing that, I attempted the closest attempt ever. I was very close to dying.
I didn't leave a note, but I mentioned it to a few people.
I think it's somewhat petty, but I say it's somewhat fine. Especially if they do something which can worsen you or cause you to cave in even when knowing how mentally bad you are.
However, unless they abuse you, prevent you from getting help, etc, I'd say it's pretty messed up.

Adding on, though, at the end of the day it's the person's choice whether or not they go through with their death. There's always a choice

 

[Walpurgisnacht]

I want to preface by saying that I'm not saying that I'm going to do this, but it has crossed my mind. I'm curious what other people think of the idea of ending your life partially or primarily for the purpose of getting revenge on someone who's wronged you.

Personally, I constantly think about blaming people in my suicide note, because I want some people to suffer and feel guilty about the shit they've put me through, and there's no way that any of them would if I didn't do it that way.

Realistically, I've revised my suicide note thousands of times, because I can't write, so it's always awful no matter how many times I fix it.

Do you think that it's moral or immoral to blame someone in a note or to catch the bus as a means of getting revenge?

I'd rather murder the people who destroyed my life and then kill myself personally, I'd get no satisfaction from the revenge if I couldn't see them suffering like they made me suffer. I'd gloat about killing them in my suicide note though, I'd make sure I had the last laugh.
Ideally I'd record it all, upload it somewhere and send it to people who I think could get some vicarious satisfaction from it.
The world is so unjust, I'd like to give anyone hurt the same way I was a little bit of justice if I could.

 

[borderline-feline]

This is just my opinion, though. Not accusing you of doing it necessarily. Just in general for anyone who feels that a strong motive for suicide is to prove to someone else something.

It came across like an accusation. I also couldn't disagree more with the idea that revenge shouldn't even be a slight motivator. If someone blames a person in their suicide, then they're gonna care, no matter how much it may seem like they won't. It also came across like you were just throwing pretty words my way by saying"

"You may think it is harsh, but I don't want to just give you pretty words to make you feel better because long-term if you really are looking for the revenge you seek, you will be happier becoming successful and shitting on the people who did you wrong rather than killing yourself to find in your soul form that they don't even give a shit."

Long-term isn't going to happen. That's kinda the point of suicide. Secondly, not everyone wants to be happy (especially when talking about suicidal people. Third, people are gonna care if they're named in a person's suicide note, no matter how much you think that they won't. Finally, there is no "soul form". There wouldn't even be a "finding out" part.

 

[SexyIncél]

Revenge suicide is also called "samsonic suicide", after the guy in the bible whose gf made him get the world's worst haircut. So he made a building fall on himself and his bullies

Apparently it's usually done by fairly powerless people. And the society needs some mechanism to punish the guilty ones

 

[SunnysSunset]

Is it moral or immoral? I can't really say. I guess it depends on what the person did. I know I feel the same way sometimes. Sometimes I want people to suffer just as I have, and I want them to know what it's like. This is a very dangerous mindset that I'm trying to break myself out of.