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[absolomonisgone]

Some people are stuck between here and there, and it doesn't make them unserious. It may take a while to prepare as well.

100% troll, half of this website is filled with justifications. Just ignore this user.

Anyone who calls opinions trolls says a lot about their intellectual ability to engage or tolerate different options. When a person imagines only their worldview matters...., It's ...., It's. It's just that.

Oh. Sorry- I'm REALLY misunderstanding you! Your passage about doctors going to med school only to fail to help anyone because we all die anyway seemed like you were saying- what's the point? How does society justify such things? Just because it makes doctors feel needed? Sorry- I found that confusing. I thought by extension- you were saying: How can society justify it's suicide prevention stance...

Well- suicide is primarily a personal decision and as I've said previously- surely our lives belong to us- no? Do you think they belong to someone else then? (I would really like an answer to that one please!!)

If you deny that it SHOULD be allowed as a personal decision, then I guess there are a couple of reasons it could be viewed as 'beneficial' to society.

Environmental reasons- there are WAY too many of us already on this planet. All we really do is pollute it and consume it's precious resources. Climate change would surely slow down if there were fewer of us. Why not let the people who want out go?

Economic reasons: Some people are NEVER going to work. They will constantly take more than they give. If their lives become that unsustainable on the meagre benefits they are given- what's the chances they will end up on the streets- where MAYBE they will be tempted to get involved in crime?

A steadily aging population with fewer young people: Ok- I don't know the figures but we ALL know people are living longer these days. I wonder just what the statistics are for people having children and for them going on to be in gainful employment. I wonder when the balance will tip- where there are more elderly people draining resources than working aged people paying in. I'm sure there are many more anti-natilists than there used to be and many homosexual people who choose not to have children. Not to mention how many people probably don't work these days. I've seen what it's like inside care homes. Trust me- a lot of those poor people don't want to be alive and in pain lying there in their own faeces.

Simple empathy: Do you really WANT to watch your relative suffer for months begging to die? How is that remotely humane? What good does it do to just let someone linger on and on in pain when it's clear they WILL die eventually anyway? Why do we put our beloved pets to sleep but we won't extend the same dignified courtesy to people we proclaim to love?

Hospital beds: How long does it take someone to die? Days, weeks? IF they want to die. IF their family want to say goodbye and see them at peace- why let them linger on in pain? The family could be at their bedside, holding their hand while they pass. Not getting a frantic call at midnight and arriving too late. Plus- it's crude to say but that will free up hospital beds. Bear in mind- in ALL these examples- I am refering to people who are of sound mind and who WANT to die. I'm not talking about people being coerced.

These are a few ideas that relate specifically to the benefits of assisted suicide legalisation:

Organ donation: Many of us here would love to help someone to live who WANTS to live by donating our organs after our deaths. But in most cases- we can't. Our bodies will be found too late and some of the methods we use will render the organs unusable. If assisted suicide was legalised- our organs could be transplanted in time.

Saving the cost of police investigations: I expect following any suicide- an investigation takes place, an autopsy etc. All that cost would be saved if the process was officially regulated.

Less traumatic suicides: Legalising assisted suicide- with a wider availability than just for those with terminal illness (still with safeguards of course...) would mean people wouldn't have to resort to riskier methods that have the potential to traumatize and hurt others- like the train method or jumping.

Anyhow- that's all I can think of from the top of my head... I'm tagging in @TAW122 though- they usually come up with some convincing arguments- I'm sure there's lots I've missed...

Nice try. I'm seeking philosophical justification. Aha. Like the core reason for justification of suicide. What you have given are simply utilitarian, a juxtaposition to the common corporates, government and society oversimplified arguments.
Sorry, I tend to imagine I'm extremely intelligent than all mankind..., You, know, special....., No wonder I WILL kill myself on October 1, 2023. Such a special creature! Aha.
Aha. Aha.

 

[angelicisight]

Anyone who calls opinions trolls says a lot about their intellectual ability to engage or tolerate different options. When a person imagines only their worldview matters...., It's ...., It's. It's just that.

Yeah but how you communicate matters too. If communicate in a bad way, then say "Oh it's just an opinion…" Is that really a fair defense? You did establish from the beginning clearly you were offering an opinion, or are you only going to this after the fact now that you are pressed? I'm just saying to say there's no focus on suicide here is pretty dumb. You literally got people posting their methods and show photos of their poison every day. People literally posting their goodbyes everyday. Why are there so many influx of new members? Because most people probably don't last here. They come for a reason, they do it, and surprise surprise you don't hear from them much after that. Wonder why?

 

[absolomonisgone]

Yeah but how you communicate matters too. If communicate in a bad way, then say "Oh it's just an opinion…" Is that really a fair defense? You did establish from the beginning clearly you were offering an opinion, or are you only going to this after the fact now that you are pressed? I'm just saying to say there's no focus on suicide here is pretty dumb. You literally got people posting their methods and show photos of their poison every day. People literally posting their goodbyes everyday. Why are there so many influx of new members? Because most people probably don't last here. They come for a reason, they do it, and surprise surprise you don't hear from them much after that. Wonder why?

I want justification for suicide. For me, it's because I hate humanity...Ok. maybe because I'm a loser of sorts. ..., Maybe if I was the president of the USA without limited terms..., Maybe, I'd not consider suicide. But, if I will end up another civil engineer or investment banker or local politician with 3 kids, big cars, etc..., Or a professor writing research papers nobody will ever read...., You get my drift?
Maybe I hate humanity because I'm a complete loser.
All the same, I still need the justification for my suicide on 1 October 2023.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Anyone who calls opinions trolls says a lot about their intellectual ability to engage or tolerate different options. When a person imagines only their worldview matters...., It's ...., It's. It's just that.

Nice try. I'm seeking philosophical justification. Aha. Like the core reason for justification of suicide. What you have given are simply utilitarian, a juxtaposition to the common corporates, government and society oversimplified arguments.
Sorry, I tend to imagine I'm extremely intelligent than all mankind..., You, know, special....., No wonder I WILL kill myself on October 1, 2023. Such a special creature! Aha.
Aha. Aha.

I think we're all struggling to grasp what it is you are actually asking. It SOUNDS as if you are saying- people aren't providing enough justification for wanting to CTB. (To my mind.) This statement (naturally) triggers people- so they are calling you a troll.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think what you are trying to ask is: 'Why aren't there more threads that make a convincing argument for the justification of suicide TO society.' Although now it seems you're moving beyond society to- I don't know what- God? The meaning of life and death? The consequences of choosing death ourselves?

Now that you're moving onto philosophy though- I think we're into realms of make belief. Philosophies can't be proven afterall- they are all theories. You may believe you have intrinsic value. You may believe your suicide will offend God. You may believe your suicide will upset the course of history. You may be right. You may be wrong. Pick a belief and believe it! It's up to you really.

Seeing as I can't see any evidence for what my suicide may or may not do to the fabric of the universe (lol), I have to concentrate on mere mortal stuff- who might it upset on planet earth? To my mind- we're dust. The universe doesn't give two shits about us. It will be better off without us. In fact- if all the practical stuff doesn't matter- global warming, economics etc- it doesn't matter if we CTB or not. We'll die someday and it will most likey be as if we had never lived before in the blink of an eye. Depends on what you believe- ENTIRELY. No one is going to be able to make a convincing argument to you to my mind but- seeing as I'm curious now- what's your core philosophical justification to: keep living, commit suicide or wait to die of natural causes? If we hear your ideas- maybe we'll get a clearer idea of what you're after from us...

 

[angelicisight]

I want justification for suicide. For me, it's because I hate humanity...Ok. maybe because I'm a loser of sorts. ..., Maybe if I was the president of the USA without limited terms..., Maybe, I'd not consider suicide. But, if I will end up another civil engineer or investment banker or local politician with 3 kids, big cars, etc..., Or a professor writing research papers nobody will ever read...., You get my drift?
Maybe I hate humanity because I'm a complete loser.
All the same, I still need the justification for my suicide on 1 October 2023.

You have the power. Isn't this enough for you? You need no justification if you have the power, or do you not understand the meaning of justification. In terms of society, justification serves the purpose of improving order and productivity.

Do you wish for society to justify your death? Don't be a fool. They want you to contribute. They don't want to lose you.

What of a higher justification? Do you suppose you can find God and he will justify you? Create a god you like then, and maybe you will find a justification from that, or what of the true God? Are you trying to know the true God before you kill yourself? Do you not know that the power of God will not sway to your whims? If God justifies suicide, he will justify it. If it is unjustified, he will not. You nor your desires will matter to him.

Or do you want a poetic justice? Again you are a fool then for there is not truth in poetry only beauty. Stop trying to make your death true if you wish for this. Just be content that maybe it can be beautiful and let the various beholders determine for themselves if it holds beauty in their eye. This is the nature of all things poetic.

 

[absolomonisgone]

I think we're all struggling to grasp what it is you are actually asking. It SOUNDS as if you are saying- people aren't providing enough justification for wanting to CTB. (To my mind.) This statement (naturally) triggers people- so they are calling you a troll.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think what you are trying to ask is: 'Why aren't there more threads that make a convincing argument for the justification of suicide TO society.' Although now it seems you're moving beyond society to- I don't know what- God? The meaning of life and death? The consequences of choosing death ourselves?

Now that you're moving onto philosophy though- I think we're into realms of make belief. Philosophies can't be proven afterall- they are all theories. You may believe you have intrinsic value. You may believe your suicide will offend God. You may believe your suicide will upset the course of history. You may be right. You may be wrong. Pick a belief and believe it! It's up to you really.

Seeing as I can't see any evidence for what my suicide may or may not to to the fabric of the universe (lol), I have to concentrate on mere mortal stuff- who might it upset on planet earth. To my mind- we're dust. The universe doesn't give two shits about us. It will be better off without us. In fact- if all the practical stuff doesn't matter- global warming, economics etc- it doesn't matter if we CTB or not. We'll die someday and it will most likey be as if we had never lived before in the blink of an eye. Depends on what you believe- ENTIRELY. No one is going to be able to make a convincing argument to you to my mind but- seeing as I'm curious now- what's your core philosophical justification to: keep living, commit suicide or wait to die of natural causes? If we hear your ideas- maybe we'll get a clearer idea of what you're after from us...

Forever asleep.., there's an answer I'm seeking which I do not know...,as for your above response, we all had that when we were 16-17. ..aha, when we did our first suicide attempt. It didn't work. Seems we never give up.., aha

 

[Forever Sleep]

I want justification for suicide. For me, it's because I hate humanity...Ok. maybe because I'm a loser of sorts. ..., Maybe if I was the president of the USA without limited terms..., Maybe, I'd not consider suicide. But, if I will end up another civil engineer or investment banker or local politician with 3 kids, big cars, etc..., Or a professor writing research papers nobody will ever read...., You get my drift?
Maybe I hate humanity because I'm a complete loser.
All the same, I still need the justification for my suicide on 1 October 2023.

That's so weird though- how are your reasons any more 'justified' than other people's here?!! Yours are VERY down to earth. Is that what you mean though? You need to find some philosophical, or other worldly justification for suicide so you can feel comfortable with it? Guess it largely depends on what you believe then. What exactly do you think it is that your- or anyone's suicide would offend? Presumably- that's the crux of the argument here- you only need to justify something if it is presumed to be wrong. Who or what do YOU believe thinks or stipulates that suicide is wrong? God? The universe?

 

[absolomonisgone]

Stop trying to make your death true if you wish for this

You did it. Thanks

 

[Forever Sleep]

Forever asleep.., there's an answer I'm seeking which I do not know...,as for your above response, we all had that when we were 16-17. ..aha, when we did our first suicide attempt. It didn't work. Seems we never give up.., aha

Ok- fine- sounds like some kind of spiritual quest- good luck. I doubt anyone here can give you the answer though- unless Jesus has joined the chat...

 

[angelicisight]

That's so weird though- how are your reasons any more 'justified' than other people's here?!! Yours are VERY down to earth. Is that what you mean though? You need to find some philosophical, or other worldly justification for suicide so you can feel comfortable with it? Guess it largely depends on what you believe then. What exactly do you think it is that your- or anyone's suicide would offend? Presumably- that's the crux of the argument here- you only need to justify something if it is presumed to be wrong. Who or what do YOU believe thinks or stipulates that suicide is wrong? God? The universe?

He wants something poetic. He wants something beautiful. He wants a beautiful death. He is going by his own eye to what is beautiful though. Beauty is of course very subjective. I came here to put something to death. It was a poetic death and was no way attached to reality. He may wish for his death to be real, but it's a very interpretative endeavor.

 

[absolomonisgone]

You have the power. Isn't this enough for you? You need no justification if you have the power, or do you not understand the meaning of justification. In terms of society, justification serves the purpose of improving order and productivity.

Do you wish for society to justify your death? Don't be a fool. They want you to contribute. They don't want to lose you.

What of a higher justification? Do you suppose you can find God and he will justify you? Create a god you like then, and maybe you will find a justification from that, or what of the true God? Are you trying to know the true God before you kill yourself? Do you not know that the power of God will not sway to your whims? If God justifies suicide, he will justify it. If it is unjustified, he will not. You nor your desires will matter to him.

Or do you want a poetic justice? Again you are a fool then for there is not truth in poetry only beauty. Stop trying to make your death true if you wish for this. Just be content that maybe it can be beautiful and let the various beholders determine for themselves if it holds beauty in their eye. This is the nature of all things poetic.

Like in the movie..., Last king of Scotland.., where Idd Amin tells the young Scottish doctor...., The only real and true thing is your death

 

[Forever Sleep]

He wants something poetic. He wants something beautiful. He wants a beautiful death. He is going by his own eye to what is beautiful though. Beauty is of course very subjective. I came here to put something to death. It was a poetic death and was no way attached to reality. He may wish for his death to be real, but it's a very interpretative endeavor.

Well- I'm glad you understand. I can't contribute anymore but best of luck to both of you. I hope you find what you're looking for.

 

[angelicisight]

Well- I'm glad you understand. I can't contribute anymore but best of luck to both of you. I hope you find what you're looking for.

I'm looking for work . I am just here wasting time until that. I found a girlfriend today . That was very lucky. I announced my marriage to time, and then she started talking to me. She said "You should never date online. You can never know them." Then we started dating a couple hours later. She likes me because I am weird , but now I need to be successful enough for the both of us . She is from another country, but I think she is rich. She at least drives in a nice car. It is nicer than mine.

 

[absolomonisgone]

Well- I'm glad you understand. I can't contribute anymore but best of luck to both of you. I hope you find what you're looking for.

Actually, I want to "earn" my death. All of my life I earned grades, wives, family, cars, houses, etc..., Why can't I also "earn" my death? How? Just going somewhere, enjoy life, then kill myself in peace? Is that a lot to ask of life?

 

[angelicisight]

Actually, I want to "earn" my death. All of my life I earned grades, wives, family, cars, houses, etc..., Why can't I also "earn" my death? How? Just going somewhere, enjoy life, then kill myself in peace? Is that a lot to ask of life?

Death is often seen as a curse not an accomplishment. To see it as something to earn is to deviate from the norm. Although what is normal is earn a legacy. In this you may think your death is earned in that your life will not be forgotten. Many people desire for this.

 

[absolomonisgone]

I'm looking for work . I am just here wasting time until that. I found a girlfriend today . That was very lucky. I announced my marriage to time, and then she started talking to me. She said "You should never date online. You can never know them." Then we started dating a couple hours later. She likes me because I am weird , but now I need to be successful enough for the both of us . She is from another country, but I think she is rich. She at least drives in a nice car. It is nicer than mine.

You sure got everything figured out. Good for you and congrats.

 

[angelicisight]

You sure got everything figured out. Good for you and congrats.

Not at all . Maybe it has all been figured out for me though.

 

[absolomonisgone]

Not at all . Maybe it has all been figured out for me though.

You realize I'm a very drunk person..., Once a very prominent figure in my country and once very respected in other countries like UK, Vietnam.., and many other countries I won't mention? And, here I am..., Fkg with death date

 

[angelicisight]

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You realize I'm a very drunk person..., Once a very prominent figure in my country and once very respected in other countries like UK, Vietnam.., and many other countries I won't mention? And, here I am..., Fkg with death date

just thought you were stupid, but that makes sense also. Btw I found an extra job! That's good. I just got the call, and the lady was nice. It may be another 1800$. I need this right now. I need to be successful because now the business needs to support more than just me. Hey you should message me privately! We should keep in touch.

 

[absolomonisgone]

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just thought you were stupid, but that makes sense also. Btw I found an extra job! That's good. I just got the call, and the lady was nice. It may be another 1800$. I need this right now. I need to be successful because now the business needs to support more than just me. Hey you should message me privately! We should keep in touch.

I like your sense of humor. All the same, I want to thank you for keeping me and myself busy. And managed to escape the human condition. Thank you. As for extra jobs, rich girls, 1800 $ , etc. Don't worry.
You can always count on me. Aha.
Thanks.

 

[angelicisight]

I like your sense of humor. All the same, I want to thank you for keeping me and myself busy. And managed to escape the human condition. Thank you. As for extra jobs, rich girls, 1800 $ , etc. Don't worry.
You can always count on me. Aha.
Thanks.

You didn't get me that you fool! The girlfriend I was chatting, and I said I wanted to marry time. Then she said "Oh I remember you! I like you because you were so weird!" Then she said she would never date online. Then we started dating each other. I call her Jamila to strangers because this is one of her fake names. She prefers privacy. Jamila is "beautiful" in Arabic. She is from around there.

The job will just be a day of work, but it takes permitting and pulling material. It's good money, but I need to really establish procedure and infrastructure, so I can begin employing other people. I don't want an oppressive style of work. I wish for workers to have their freedom, so this is the model, but I must be able to support myself and my girlfriend! After I do this, then I can think about expanding. I want to be able to afford a decent apartment. That is when I feel I can support her, but there is no rush, though it may happen quickly. Who knows what time will bring.

 

[absolomonisgone]

You didn't get me that you fool! The girlfriend I was chatting, and I said I wanted to marry time. Then she said "Oh I remember you! I like you because you were so weird!" Then she said she would never date online. Then we started dating each other. I call her Jamila to strangers because this is one of her fake names. She prefers privacy. Jamila is "beautiful" in Arabic. She is from around there.

The job will just be a day of work, but it takes permitting and pulling material. It's good money, but I need to really establish procedure and infrastructure, so I can begin employing other people. I don't want an oppressive style of work. I wish for workers to have their freedom, so this is the model, but I must be able to support myself and my girlfriend! After I do this, then I can think about expanding. I want to be able to afford a decent apartment. That is when I feel I can support her, but there is no rush, though it may happen quickly. Who knows what time will bring.

I don't even know what you are talking about.

 

[angelicisight]

I don't even know what you are talking about.

Okay my friend. I wish to rest for now. If you wish to know me, I go by this name elsewhere. You can find me where I am. For now, I will leave you to whatever else may occupy your time. Have a good night.

 

[absolomonisgone]

Okay my friend. I wish to rest for now. If you wish to know me, I go by this name elsewhere. You can find me where I am. For now, I will leave you to whatever else may occupy your time. Have a good night.

As a man about to die soon. Everything occupies my mind..., Like aeroplane passing, dogs barking, quiet night ...., And strangers on the internet trying to make sense of death/suicide.
Anyway, Good night.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Actually, I want to "earn" my death. All of my life I earned grades, wives, family, cars, houses, etc..., Why can't I also "earn" my death? How? Just going somewhere, enjoy life, then kill myself in peace? Is that a lot to ask of life?

Nope- that seems reasonable to ask out of life. Sounds pretty do-able too. I thought it was going to have to be some sort of hero's death- sacrificing yourself to save others or something. Just going some place and having fun before you go sounds achievable.

 

[Ernest1964]

Was hoping for true justification for suicide. Not that suicide is very hard to accomplish (except for cases where people are completely incapacitated, that is understandable)

Justification for suicide? No one here feels the need to justify suicide. If you are a part of this site, suicide is something that you probably understand at some level. I do not feel the need to "justify" suicide because generally there is no one on this site who has challenged my concept of suicide. Self determination and the right of the individual to leave this planet when they choose and for whatever reason they choose is understood and accepted here without judgement... and for that, I am grateful.

Can I get an AMEN!!!???

 

[Readytogo246]

Amen

 

[absolomonisgone]

Justification for suicide? No one here feels the need to justify suicide. If you are a part of this site, suicide is something that you probably understand at some level. I do not feel the need to "justify" suicide because generally there is no one on this site who has challenged my concept of suicide. Self determination and the right of the individual to leave this planet when they choose and for whatever reason they choose is understood and accepted here without judgement... and for that, I am grateful.

Can I get an AMEN!!!???

AMEN

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The only justification a person needs for suicide is in their own mind based on their own life and circumstances. There need be no justification to anyone else. It's the "walk awhile in someone elses shoes" philosophy.

 

[absolomonisgone]

The only justification a person needs for suicide is in their own mind based on their own life and circumstances. There need be no justification to anyone else. It's the "walk awhile in someone elses shoes" philosophy.

Not exactly how some of us our minds work..., We want to be absolutely sure we are doing the right thing. Like, I'd cut your throat if I know it's the right thing to do...., 30seconds of discomfort in hanging is no big deal......., BUT.., is the right thing?