Why do I have this feeling that this isn't really a suicide website? Most suicide posts here seem so unreal and out of touch..., Well just an observation.
whatevs
Mining for copium in the weirdest places.
- Jan 15, 2022
- 2,914
thethatsitboy
Nós tudo vive pra morrer, mas luta pela vida
- Jul 4, 2020
- 175
This website serves various purposes, intentional or not. Many people, including myself, have discovered methods for ctb here, so it's clearly a site related to suicide.
Worndown
Illuminated
- Mar 21, 2019
- 3,095
Suicidal people can have all manner of issues, situations and fears. What you see is a mix of depression, panic and fatigue along with whatever else has fallen on them.
If it seems unreal, imaging living their lives. Please try to have compassion when looking at the posts.
If it seems unreal, imaging living their lives. Please try to have compassion when looking at the posts.
FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 38,920
I don't really understand what the OP is writing about, the post is completely nonsensical, to me it just comes across as someone trying to troll the site. Yes, this certainly is a suicide website and the posts written on here are very real, they reflect the harsh reality of this existence and how much suffering exists here. Calling suicidal people out of touch is very insensitive and just doesn't make sense as wanting to die is perfectly logical in this world filled with endless potential for harm.
Even you funeral cry, you don't seem serious. You post same thing over and over again and generally make it seem like it's impossible to off yourself and at the same time seemingly hating life....., Basically, almost all people life experience...., So I doubt the authenticity of this site
Worndown
Illuminated
- Mar 21, 2019
- 3,095
Feel free to search for other sites that better suit you. Here, you get what you see. A dysfunctional community doing it's best to get by each day. Sometimes catching a bus.
Aisley
Wizard
- Mar 12, 2023
- 627
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Or are the goodbye posts too gathered and calm-seeming? Because that is the desired result of planning and information that this site exists for.
"Out of touch..." Not sure what you mean. Is it possible that this is a result of covid restrictions, and a generation that experienced enforced isolation in their formative years? I've seen some of that, I think. A lot more social anxiety, too.
Or are the goodbye posts too gathered and calm-seeming? Because that is the desired result of planning and information that this site exists for.
dimstar
Poor little woodpecker
- Mar 17, 2023
- 320
Have you ever had or been diagnosed with any type psychotic disorder? Those types of feelings can be a symptom of an episode, thinking things aren't as they seem. I mean no offense just worried about that type of thoughts.
What were you expecting to see more of? I'd agree that since N dried up and SN sources dwindled there seems to be less informational activity. When I registered there was a lot of ordering and delivery questions and then confiscation and wellness visits, issues with seller communication etc. There are very few unanswered questions about SN regimens to hash out.
Solitudeseeker
Member
- Jun 3, 2023
- 31
i am literally out of touch with the general Populus i never go outside LMFAO
Was hoping for true justification for suicide. Not that suicide is very hard to accomplish (except for cases where people are completely incapacitated, that is understandable)
Kerrtu
Komeetta ♊︎
- May 8, 2023
- 474
Abe called me an idiot in some thread, and I thought I had them on ignore. This is a good reminder.
I believe they troll this site and it's just annoying.
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Some people just don't enjoy existing and just want to cease to exist even if they may seem to have a great life on paper.
I myself I just want to leave this world because I'm severely traumatised that I can never be the same again and the only thing that can make me escape this unimaginable psychological pain is through death and the day I cease to exist will be the happiest day of my life.
I only get comfort knowing that I'm leaving this world soon and for that I'm so grateful for this site because it has given me a lot resources and methods on how to end my misery and despair.
Sometimes nobody is trolling anyone or being a troll. Somebody may just be experiencing the world in a toxic way. It's best to not take it personal and just ignore..., What a person is today is not what they were yesterday or will be tomorrow. Nothing to do with others or the world. It's only her going through whatever it is they are going through.
What do you mean by 'was hoping for true justification for suicide?'. Do you mean you wanted to understand people's personal reasons? I mean it's completely subjective isn't it?
I don't think suicide is completely subjective. There's a justification which people know of, maybe unconsciously and have not been able to put it in words..., or maybe it's been put in words but society has buried it.
You have to understand that society, i.e movies, academia, corporations and government have only one primal desire...., To keep us alive and productive. Any ideas to the contrary wl be stiffled.
What were you expecting to see?
99% of posts are not really suicidal or are just a cry for help.
No one really needs to ask on a forum how to CTB. Most humans know intuitively you just a rope or a long fall.
Most of us are thinking about CTB but not like literally this minute, those are rare.
99% of posts are not really suicidal or are just a cry for help.
No one really needs to ask on a forum how to CTB. Most humans know intuitively you just a rope or a long fall.
Most of us are thinking about CTB but not like literally this minute, those are rare.
When you put it that way, I think I understand..., I always found it strange why something so straight forward like what over 100 guys do daily in India with a simple rope is made to seem extremely very complicated here.
Now, will put all discussions here in context
So- you were thinking we'd all be justifying our reasons and then what? We'd all judge whether it was 'ok' for that person to go ahead?!! Justifying to WHO exactly? Do you think I have the right to judge what you or anyone else does with their life? Do you think you have that right?
If someone NEEDS to try and justify the reasons they want to take their OWN life to a bunch of strangers on the internet- I'd say they are too reliant on what other people think- and no- sorry but they're not ready to make that decision for themselves. You have to KNOW yourself. If you feel the need to start justifying yourself- it comes across that you don't really believe in the decision and need permission from others- which- obviously we can't give- it's THEIR life.
What is the 'justification'? I'd argue- an individuals right to autonomy. Their right to choose. Do you not think our lives belong to us? Presumably- if we can't choose (presuming we are in our right minds of course,) that means someone or something owns our lives surely? Who or what do you suppose that is? God? Our parents? Society? You?
I'm also curious you think it's not that hard to accomplish. I think the statistic is something like: only 1 out of 24 or 25 attempts succeeds. If you know a 100% guaranteed method- I'm sure we're all ears...
I'm guessing if you reckon it's that easy, you probably haven't seriously considered it or tried it yourself? Or, perhaps I'm wrong and you have nerves of steel, no survival instinct, no fear of pain or the attempt failing and leaving you a vegetable- a possibility with most methods. Plus- absolutely no qualms about what effect it might have on those left behind. I'd argue that neither the act of suicide- or the mental anguish that surrounds it is particularly 'easy'. But- perhaps your thinking is more black and white than mine.
I'd say that's what a lot of people join a site like this for though... To be able to (finally) openly discuss the most difficult things they are grappling with before they go- if they go even. They may decide to linger longer or even have a shot at recovery.
I guess the bottomline is- for someone who is utterly against the idea that a person should have the right of autonomy- including the right to die- no one is going to be able to convince them otherwise. They are just two entirely different ways of viewing life, our obligations to it, and death.
This site is my lifeline or I would be gone by now. I really appreciate the mutual support and good information. I have learned so much about myself. I check the site a few times a day to keep up to date.
Reasons.., like reasons why society justifies it's worthy of going to med school, make lots of money treating patients with 0% success rate..., As they all end up dead. When a kid is going to med school, he feels justified and doing a wonderful thing.
That's what I'm thinking, so suicide should be justified by society.
Oh I see- sorry- I misunderstood. Do you mean society should be justfying its suicide prevention stance?
Hmm, well, to be generous, I guess they (doctors) think/ hope they'll be able to 'save' some of us. And I guess they do. For some people, it works... I guess.
Reckon it's mainly the economy though- these big pharmaceuticals and doctors work in tandem to prescribe us drugs, get rich in the process and likely donate large sums/ pay taxes to our governments. Do you think they particularly want ill patients offing themselves BEFORE they have paid shit loads for treatment? I'd always say- follow the money when it comes to what our governments seem to be enforcing.
Plus- there's the human element. When suicides ARE reported in the news- they are usually either celebrities or young people. I expect most middle aged suicides slip under the radar. Parents rally round in fear when a young person kills themself because that MIGHT happen to their child. Parents vote. It makes sense for governments to look like they give a shit! That's my cynical view anyhow. Plus the obvious one that governments don't want to lose their tax payers and consumers- they get their tax one way or another. Even people who don't work need services- which means jobs. We're all cogs in the machine.
You haven't given any reason why suicide is justifiable. Aha. Only why it's not!
I definitely think it is. I am not suicidal though. I just have been writing because I needed to put something to death. Now that I have, I think I will leave soon. I think I stopped belonging here after that. That's what I feel.
OceanBlue
Feminist
- Jun 13, 2021
- 701
Some people are stuck between here and there, and it doesn't make them unserious. It may take a while to prepare as well.
100% troll, half of this website is filled with justifications. Just ignore this user.
What if he is just genuinely stupid and doesn't understand?
Oh. Sorry- I'm REALLY misunderstanding you! Your passage about doctors going to med school only to fail to help anyone because we all die anyway seemed like you were saying- what's the point? How does society justify such things? Just because it makes doctors feel needed? Sorry- I found that confusing. I thought by extension- you were saying: How can society justify it's suicide prevention stance...
Well- suicide is primarily a personal decision and as I've said previously- surely our lives belong to us- no? Do you think they belong to someone else then? (I would really like an answer to that one please!!)
If you deny that it SHOULD be allowed as a personal decision, then I guess there are a couple of reasons it could be viewed as 'beneficial' to society.
Environmental reasons- there are WAY too many of us already on this planet. All we really do is pollute it and consume it's precious resources. Climate change would surely slow down if there were fewer of us. Why not let the people who want out go?
Economic reasons: Some people are NEVER going to work. They will constantly take more than they give. If their lives become that unsustainable on the meagre benefits they are given- what's the chances they will end up on the streets- where MAYBE they will be tempted to get involved in crime?
A steadily aging population with fewer young people: Ok- I don't know the figures but we ALL know people are living longer these days. I wonder just what the statistics are for people having children and for them going on to be in gainful employment. I wonder when the balance will tip- where there are more elderly people draining resources than working aged people paying in. I'm sure there are many more anti-natilists than there used to be and many homosexual people who choose not to have children. Not to mention how many people probably don't work these days. I've seen what it's like inside care homes. Trust me- a lot of those poor people don't want to be alive and in pain lying there in their own faeces.
Simple empathy: Do you really WANT to watch your relative suffer for months begging to die? How is that remotely humane? What good does it do to just let someone linger on and on in pain when it's clear they WILL die eventually anyway? Why do we put our beloved pets to sleep but we won't extend the same dignified courtesy to people we proclaim to love?
Hospital beds: How long does it take someone to die? Days, weeks? IF they want to die. IF their family want to say goodbye and see them at peace- why let them linger on in pain? The family could be at their bedside, holding their hand while they pass. Not getting a frantic call at midnight and arriving too late. Plus- it's crude to say but that will free up hospital beds. Bear in mind- in ALL these examples- I am refering to people who are of sound mind and who WANT to die. I'm not talking about people being coerced.
These are a few ideas that relate specifically to the benefits of assisted suicide legalisation:
Organ donation: Many of us here would love to help someone to live who WANTS to live by donating our organs after our deaths. But in most cases- we can't. Our bodies will be found too late and some of the methods we use will render the organs unusable. If assisted suicide was legalised- our organs could be transplanted in time.
Saving the cost of police investigations: I expect following any suicide- an investigation takes place, an autopsy etc. All that cost would be saved if the process was officially regulated.
Less traumatic suicides: Legalising assisted suicide- with a wider availability than just for those with terminal illness (still with safeguards of course...) would mean people wouldn't have to resort to riskier methods that have the potential to traumatize and hurt others- like the train method or jumping.
Anyhow- that's all I can think of from the top of my head... I'm tagging in @TAW122 though- they usually come up with some convincing arguments- I'm sure there's lots I've missed...
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