So, are we trashing DD sn since it's food grade?

[Fktw0rld]

Luckily I was able to secure sn from 2 sources back in early 2022. I clearly remember dd being a super popular contact so I grabbed a bottle from them also as it was easily available. My 1 bottle says industrial grade, lab research only and obviously my dd one says food grade.

I thought people have been successful with dd but maybe I was wrong.

I do have 2 barto v test kits and intended on testing both. Am I just wasting my time?

 

[UKscotty]

Food grade is just a made up sales term.

SN is SN.

 

[NoLightRemains]

Luckily I was able to secure sn from 2 sources back in early 2022. I clearly remember dd being a super popular contact so I grabbed a bottle from them also as it was easily available. My 1 bottle says industrial grade, lab research only and obviously my dd one says food grade.

I thought people have been successful with dd but maybe I was wrong.

I do have 2 barto v test kits and intended on testing both. Am I just wasting my time?

I'm sure there's been success with DD, but I don't recall any threads off top of my head. I tested my SN from DD back in April and it was totally fine using the aquarium test. I resealed it well and I'm hoping it doesn't degrade too much from quickly opening it to place in new containers.

 

[just_so_done]

I was literally having an anxiety attack when all of a sudden ppl were saying food grade sn wouldn't work even if it says 99%. I still need to do an aquarium test (my source is not from DD) but just to confirm, if my sn is food grade but is higher than 95% will that be successful for ctb? otherwise i'm absolutely fucked and i really don't want to jump off a building.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm not too sure what's going on with this... I saw the post @Vizzy made this morning about Food Grade SN but it doesn't seem to be here anymore... Maybe they can confirm what's going on? Did they or someone else realise it may be misleading? It likely is going to make people worry- so- confirmation would be good... @Vizzy are you out there?

 

[toofargone6969]

IC was specifically food grade 99% SN and the main reliable source here for a long time. It was so reliable that the person shipping the food grade SN was arrested, as we all know. But you should run the tests and do your own research rather than relying on claims made by other members. I would recommend emailing the test strip manufacturers or another chemistry expert for details if you have concerns. That helped me a lot. Advocate for yourself as much as possible and research your sources to come to your own conclusions.

 

[just_so_done]

I'm not too sure what's going on with this... I saw the post @Vizzy made this morning about Food Grade SN but it doesn't seem to be here anymore... Maybe they can confirm what's going on? Did they or someone else realise it may be misleading? It likely is going to make people worry- so- confirmation would be good... @Vizzy are you out there?

That's what i was reading last night and having a full on freak out but yeah i don't see it today so I'm so confused. Alot of ppl are going to freak out if suddenly the SN we all think we have is no longer usable if not lab grade which is impossible to get.

 

[Kerrtu]

When I was able to order from Amazon, and if I recall correctly, the description mentioned food but when the SN arrived, there was no mention of food on the label. A very clear "toxic if swallowed" type warning.

SN is from LoudWolf, ordered in January of 2020.

99.6% purity.

I was also a bit confused with Vizzy's post re: food grade SN. I remember commenting that I was hustling to check my SN to be sure.

Maybe @Vizzy deleted the post? Wherefore art thou?

Edited to add:



This is the shipping confirmation I got when I ordered - food mention is visible.



Actual photo of what I ordered - does not explicitly mention food usage.



Side view of bottle with clear "Toxic" warnings and slightly vague description of what it can be used for.

"This is a high-purity, reagent grade chemical. It is suitable for most experimental applications, as well as many technical and household purposes…."

 

[Forever Sleep]

That's what i was reading last night and having a full on freak out but yeah i don't see it today so I'm so confused. Alot of ppl are going to freak out if suddenly the SN we all think we have is no longer usable if not lab grade which is impossible to get.

Yeah- I really don't know... I think the blood test and aquarium test is wise for everyone to do regardless. BUT bear in mind- it may not be best not to break the seal and leave it for years (as I understand- again though- I'm not 100% certain but I've heard Nitrite degrades to Nitrate over time- maybe via the moisture in the air- I don't know.)

As a general rule though- I don't know. I thought IC was Food Grade but @Vizzy suggested it may have just been labelled as that. We know what he was really into afterall. I'm sure the stuff people initially used to get- off Amazon etc must have been Food Grade though. Hopefully someone knowledgable will be able to clear this up.

 

[neveragreedtothis]

IC was specifically food grade 99% SN and the main reliable source here for a long time. It was so reliable that the person shipping the food grade SN was arrested, as we all know. But you should run the tests and do your own research rather than relying on claims made by other members. I would recommend emailing the test strip manufacturers or another chemistry expert for details if you have concerns. That helped me a lot. Advocate for yourself as much as possible and research your sources to come to your own conclusions.

Thanks for sharing this info.

There were a few brands which were food grade and a lot of people failed with them, namely PC and a brand with yellow/blue label (both aren't available now anyway) However with PC it turned out it was very degraded and Nitrate mostly.

And I think some companies putting Prague powder as "SN" which is wrong labeling.

Otherwise, foodgrade 99% SN is SN. There's no reason why it would be only 6% purity and salt filler, they'd be required to disclose that. Most manufacturers state the added anti-caking and other stuff which is tiny %. So if food-grade was 90% NaCl salt then they would say that on the bottle.

 

[Fktw0rld]

I think Vizzy had a couple thousand of us checking our containers all at the same time last night lol.

Waking everyone up, shuffling through our drawers, opening boxes.

 

[toofargone6969]

Exactly.

Didn't PC end up being Nitrate labeled as SN, or something like that? I remember it was an inconsistent brand or people thought they may have caught on and started sending nitrate instead, which just made people very sick.

Thanks for sharing this info.

There were a few brands which were food grade and a lot of people failed with them, namely PC and a brand with yellow/blue label (both aren't available now anyway) However with PC it turned out it was very degraded and Nitrate mostly.

And I think some companies putting Prague powder as "SN" which is wrong labeling.

Otherwise, foodgrade 99% SN is SN. There's no reason why it would be only 6% purity and salt filler, they'd be required to disclose that. Most manufacturers state the added anti-caking and other stuff which is tiny %. So if food-grade was 90% NaCl salt then they would say that on the bottle.

 

[Vizzy]

Guys I didn't say DD or IC sn is not good for ctb, just be careful with what sn you buy, in my last post I didn't even mention about DD and IC

Dd and IC suppliers buy in bulk and sell in small packages, put on the food grade label to clear the customs that was my take on it

I concluded clearly that, whatever sn you buy just do the nitrite strip test properly to make sure it is good for ctb

I'm not too sure what's going on with this... I saw the post @Vizzy made this morning about Food Grade SN but it doesn't seem to be here anymore... Maybe they can confirm what's going on? Did they or someone else realise it may be misleading? It likely is going to make people worry- so- confirmation would be good... @Vizzy are you out there?

I don't understand, my post was not about SN suppliers like DD or IC, my post was not all food grade are good and I clearly said test the sn with nitrite strip test just to be sure

 

[Fktw0rld]

Guys I didn't say DD or IC sn is not good for ctb, just be careful with what sn you buy, in my last post I didn't even mention about DD and IC

Dd and IC suppliers buy in bulk and sell in small packages, put on the food grade label to clear the customs that was my take on it

I concluded clearly that, whatever sn you buy just do the nitrite strip test properly to make sure it is good for ctb

Ok great. Because the container that was posted last night is the exact container i recieved directly from dd. Both of the sources I purchased from passed the blood test a few weeks ago. I just have to run them through the barto v strip test next. I was about ready to toss my dd container in the trash.

Thank you for clearing that up.

 

[neveragreedtothis]

I'm not sure how labeling it food grade would clear customs though...it still has the same hazard MSDS sheet required in transit

 

[Kerrtu]

Yeah- I really don't know... I think the blood test and aquarium test is wise for everyone to do regardless. BUT bear in mind- it may not be best not to break the seal and leave it for years (as I understand- again though- I'm not 100% certain but I've heard Nitrite degrades to Nitrate over time- maybe via the moisture in the air- I don't know.)

As a general rule though- I don't know. I thought IC was Food Grade but @Vizzy suggested it may have just been labelled as that. We know what he was really into afterall. I'm sure the stuff people initially used to get- off Amazon etc must have been Food Grade though. Hopefully someone knowledgable will be able to clear this up.

It's not recommended to open the bottle until one has to. It will absorb some moisture over time if not stored well after opening/handling, and then one is ultimately left with Sodium Nitrate. I haven't opened mine - as soon as I received it, I cradled it like a newborn, then stored it away from any type of interference.

Blood test is the best indicator IMO, but again, it would require opening the bottle and risking moisture/humidity effecting the nitrites. For myself, when my day comes, I will finally open the bottle and do a blood test first. If for whatever reason the SN is fucked up, I have a few back up methods.

There's an easily accessible place to jump from where I am - it's not far at all.

 

[Vizzy]

Ok great. Because the container that was posted last night is the exact container i recieved directly from dd. Both of the sources I purchased from passed the blood test a few weeks ago. I just have to run them through the barto v strip test next. I was about ready to toss my dd container in the trash.

Thank you for clearing that up.

Blood test alone not enough, please do the strip test just to be sure

I'm not sure how labeling it food grade would clear customs though...it still has the same hazard MSDS sheet required in transit

If the label is other than food grade like laboratory or industrial grade, high probability of getting seized by the customs imo

 

[Kerrtu]

I think Vizzy had a couple thousand of us checking our containers all at the same time last night lol.

Waking everyone up, shuffling through our drawers, opening boxes.

I legit speed walked across the apartment to the SN I have and then breathed a sigh of relief. I haven't walked that fast in a WHILE

 

[Forever Sleep]

It's not recommended to open the bottle until one has to. It will absorb some moisture over time if not stored well after opening/handling, and then one is ultimately left with Sodium Nitrate. I haven't opened mine - as soon as I received it, I cradled it like a newborn, then stored it away from any type of interference.

Blood test is the best indicator, but again, it would require opening the bottle and risking moisture/humidity effecting the nitrites. For myself, when my day comes, I will finally open the bottle and do a blood test first. If for whatever reason the SN is fucked up, I have a few back up methods.

There's an easily accessible place to jump from where I am - it's not far at all.

Yeah- I have the same plan... I just hope it will be ok on the day- it's going to be a hell of an anti-climax otherwise. Wish I'd bought more now.

 

[Kerrtu]

Yeah- I have the same plan... I just hope it will be ok on the day- it's going to be a hell of an anti-climax otherwise. Wish I'd bought more now.

One hell of an anti-climax indeed.

When I test, if my blood doesn't turn brown, I'm jumping. Looking back to when I ordered, I can't get over how inexpensive it was and I question why I didn't order at least one more bottle.

 

[Fktw0rld]

One hell of an anti-climax indeed.

When I test, if my blood doesn't turn brown, I'm jumping. Looking back to when I ordered, I can't get over how inexpensive it was and I question why I didn't order at least one more bottle.

Same here. I was thinking, damn they got me! That was cheap compared to everywhere else! Cause it's FOOD GRADE! It's like 90% table salt! Them fuckers!

 

[Kerrtu]

Same here. I was thinking, damn they got me! That was cheap compared to everywhere else! Cause it's FOOD GRADE! It's like 90% table salt! Them fuckers!

Me calling Loud Wolf customer service: You bastards! This was supposed to kill me!

Loud Wolf customer service: You must have the wrong number, bye!

Damn table salt…I guess it's pretzels and popcorn for the rest of the year.

cut to me eating very salty popcorn as I walk to the jumping spot

sigh

SN was so cheap back then.

 

[Deleted member 31858]

I think this thread will continue with more misinformation and paranoia like the one that was made last night. Food grade is ok as long as it is greater than 95%, preferably 99% as we know. DD that was the bottle that was shown last night, it is good, many left calmly with that brand. If food grade like DD wasn't good it wouldn't have stopped selling at Walmart, Amazon and Matthew Mindler would still be alive like many on this forum. There are many grades and any is fine as long as it is the desired purity.

Stan in his guide said:
"Food grade versus Laboratory Grade
Depending on availability, both food grade and laboratory grade are acceptable as long as the purity is > 95% (this info is usually found in the product description or on label).

Please do not make these threads like this without investigating well, many have a hard time every day and encountering something like this can only cause more confusion, anxiety and depression. There are some salts with little SN that are known as curing salt, these only have 6% SN but it is specified on the packaging. Food grade or any other grade is fine as long as it says >95% and we do our aquarium and/or blood test.