So, a 30 y/o was allowed assisted suicide because of

[Walilamdzi]

not wanting to live with a stoma, but those who want to ctb for not wanting to live with other conditions can't?

 

[glittergore]

There's no real logic to it. People have a completely subjective and largely arbitrary way of deciding what conditions are "bad enough" that they qualify for assisted suicide. This is particularly true for mental health conditions, considering most have it absolutely drilled into their heads that all mental health conditions are treatable with medication and therapy, or they think that a mental health condition cannot ever qualify someone for assisted suicide.

 

[Walilamdzi]

There's no real logic to it. People have a completely subjective and largely arbitrary way of deciding what conditions are "bad enough" that they qualify for assisted suicide. This is particularly true for mental health conditions, considering most have it absolutely drilled into their heads that all mental health conditions are treatable with medication and therapy, or they think that a mental health condition cannot ever qualify someone for assisted suicide.

Yes.. pretty frustrating really.

 

[Buffy5120]

Which country?

 

[Walilamdzi]

Life-support patient who refused stoma allowed to die

Before sedation the man in his 30s had signed an "advanced decision", which was upheld by a court.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[C_F]

Yeah, this is BS. I read this more lengthy article on it and agree with the author. There is no difference between many of us here and this man.

A Court Allows Slow-Motion Euthanasia in the U.K. | National Review

The decision to dehydrate the patient to death is a step toward allowing and normalizing lethal-injection euthanasia.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[Saddaisy]

What country? I mean you can go to certain countries where I can see this being something that's qualifies. I'm looking Into Switzerland myself now. Since I have to change my date, I figured I'd max out my credit cards going there and pay them with my savings.
Having 100% decided yet since if I back out (which is unlikely) I'd be ruined financially and I like the idea of being found by the cheating pos.

 

[DeadButDreaming]

For whatever reason bringing about death by abstaining from food and drink isn't regarded as suicide in many jurisdictions. I don't know what relevance that has in this case.

 

[Thanatos]

For whatever reason bringing about death by abstaining from food and drink isn't regarded as suicide in many jurisdictions. I don't know what relevance that has in this case.

Problem is youd become delerious before either would kill you. Meaning you wouldnt be "of sound mind" and likely still be detained/sectioned

 

[IrRegularjoe]

I don't know, doesn't sound peaceful. Sounds like he was given autonomy over ending his life. But that is not euthanasia. UK laws are crap for assisted dying. I'm surprised they even aloud that.

 

[Samsa]

not wanting to live with a stoma, but those who want to ctb for not wanting to live with other conditions can't?

Can somebody explain what stoma means in this context?

 

[IrRegularjoe]

He had a history of bowel problems and specialists had given him a 60% to 70% chance of surviving but had said he would have needed a permanent stoma.

A stoma is an abdominal opening to allow faeces or urine to be collected.

This is copied and pasted from the article linked by member Walilamdzi

 

[Iamamistake]

For whatever reason bringing about death by abstaining from food and drink isn't regarded as suicide in many jurisdictions. I don't know what relevance that has in this case.

Could ppl actually suicide/die by abstaining from food and water? Sounds painful and long! O.o

 

[FriendofDeath]

Could ppl actually suicide/die by abstaining from food and water? Sounds painful and long! O.o

Yes. I did some research a few years back. You can go a long time without eating before your systems start to shut down. Because my appetite is affected by my illnesses, I thought it could be doable. I don't know how much pain it involves. I think it can take up to 6 weeks. And here's the thing - there have been cases where an individual in a vegetative state was allowed to starve to death. I guess because of their condition you don't know if they experienced discomfort.

 

[rhiino]

There's no real logic to it. People have a completely subjective and largely arbitrary way of deciding what conditions are "bad enough" that they qualify for assisted suicide. This is particularly true for mental health conditions, considering most have it absolutely drilled into their heads that all mental health conditions are treatable with medication and therapy, or they think that a mental health condition cannot ever qualify someone for assisted suicide.

Well said. That is why it should be solely up to the person deciding for euthanasia, not any third parties that cannot remotely comprehend the suffering the person has gone through, other than the fact that it is enough for wanting to die.

 

[TAW122]

I'm glad that the court system allowed this man to end his suffering despite what the NHS (pro-life) Trust board tried to object.

I don't know, doesn't sound peaceful. Sounds like he was given autonomy over ending his life. But that is not euthanasia. UK laws are crap for assisted dying. I'm surprised they even aloud that.

Yes I agree with you. Just reading about how their laws only allow for passive euthanasia (withdrawing life support or treatment) it is oftenly a long, drawn out, torturous process. There is no dignity if wasting away and suffering through it just to exit this hellish existence. While it may be better than other countries around the world, it is still not a peaceful, dignified death, so they (UK) have much more work to do before they get onto the policies similar to that of Switzerland, The Netherlands, and Belgium.

 

[Walilamdzi]

I'm glad that the court system allowed this man to end his suffering despite what the NHS (pro-life) Trust board tried to object.


Yes I agree with you. Just reading about how their laws only allow for passive euthanasia (withdrawing life support or treatment) it is oftenly a long, drawn out, torturous process. There is no dignity if wasting away and suffering through it just to exit this hellish existence. While it may be better than other countries around the world, it is still not a peaceful, dignified death, so they (UK) have much more work to do before they get onto the policies similar to that of Switzerland, The Netherlands, and Belgium.

I'm also glad for the man, because he doesn't have to suffer. I just think it's unfair that other things aren't considered.

 

[Idledays]

Sorry to comment on an old thread but reading this hit a nerve, and in case there are any people facing potential surgery that could result in a stoma, i wanted to let you know my experience.

I had emergency surgery 11 years ago (i was 19) and woke up (unexpectedly) with a stoma. Had i been given the opportunity beforehand, i would have 100% chose to die, rather than wake up with an illeostomy bag attached to me. Mostly because i knew very little about stomas (i definitely didn't know what the word stoma meant, for a start!) and shitting in a bag sounds... Well, shit.

But I didn't have that opportunity to decide as it was emergency surgery and the doctors did that so i wouldn't die.

And living with a stoma, for me, anyway, hasnt been a massive deal. It isn't how i thought it would be, and it does concern me that the 'idea' or a stoma was enough to allow a man to die... The stigma and shame attached to a stoma seems to be the driving cause of what is apparently an acceptable reason to die. Telling people you have a stoma is hard enough... The knowledge that people think having a stoma IN AND OF ITSELF is a life not worth living is not only adding to the stigma attached to stomas, but it telling me I'd be better off dead (my reasons for being on this site have NOTHING to do with my stoma).

In my case, a stoma gave me my life back. Almost no one i meet will ever know i have one (unless i happen to tell them) and there really are very few practical difficulties i have faced. My health is better than ever. I can wear sexy clothes, i can have great sex.... Many people can live happy with a stoma!

I know spme people may have complications with their stoma, and the right to die shouldn't be taken away, but the argument is. More complex when value judgements are used to determine if a life is worth living. i don't want anyone facing this sort of surgery to assume a life after surgery will be any less. In some cases it can be SO SO much more.

Anyone facing surgery ; it's likely youre life is becoming unmanageable as it is (they don't give stomas out for nothing! , and a stoma has the potential to give you your life back. I support anyone's right to die if they genuinely feel the life they are living has little worth. But that life should be being lived by the person - Not valuing a life you don't even have yet as being not worthwhile.

 

[fred farkle]

they should just givehim a shot.

 

[Buffy5120]

Sorry to comment on an old thread but reading this hit a nerve, and in case there are any people facing potential surgery that could result in a stoma, i wanted to let you know my experience.

I had emergency surgery 11 years ago (i was 19) and woke up (unexpectedly) with a stoma. Had i been given the opportunity beforehand, i would have 100% chose to die, rather than wake up with an illeostomy bag attached to me. Mostly because i knew very little about stomas (i definitely didn't know what the word stoma meant, for a start!) and shitting in a bag sounds... Well, shit.

But I didn't have that opportunity to decide as it was emergency surgery and the doctors did that so i wouldn't die.

And living with a stoma, for me, anyway, hasnt been a massive deal. It isn't how i thought it would be, and it does concern me that the 'idea' or a stoma was enough to allow a man to die... The stigma and shame attached to a stoma seems to be the driving cause of what is apparently an acceptable reason to die. Telling people you have a stoma is hard enough... The knowledge that people think having a stoma IN AND OF ITSELF is a life not worth living is not only adding to the stigma attached to stomas, but it telling me I'd be better off dead (my reasons for being on this site have NOTHING to do with my stoma).

In my case, a stoma gave me my life back. Almost no one i meet will ever know i have one (unless i happen to tell them) and there really are very few practical difficulties i have faced. My health is better than ever. I can wear sexy clothes, i can have great sex.... Many people can live happy with a stoma!

I know spme people may have complications with their stoma, and the right to die shouldn't be taken away, but the argument is. More complex when value judgements are used to determine if a life is worth living. i don't want anyone facing this sort of surgery to assume a life after surgery will be any less. In some cases it can be SO SO much more.

Anyone facing surgery ; it's likely youre life is becoming unmanageable as it is (they don't give stomas out for nothing! , and a stoma has the potential to give you your life back. I support anyone's right to die if they genuinely feel the life they are living has little worth. But that life should be being lived by the person - Not valuing a life you don't even have yet as being not worthwhile.

I have gi issues ibs c. Right now I managed to find something that works (milk of magnesia weekly) but yes I know in the future if that doesnt work anymore, I might need surgery too. My question is I know this is not a good method to go, but if sn fails me I may have no choice but to ctb this way. This is why I've stalled ctb bc of my digestion issues. But yeah if I dont take my weekly laxative, and dont go to the bathroom for weeks, obviously because I have ibs-c, how long do you think it would take to ctb? I know it will probably be painful though, im just curious about this also heres a link of a young boy who had it and just died. Felt so bad for him. Im not ctb bc of ibs, but for other reasons. Honestly life with a stoma bag isnt that bad, I have worse things and for them to grant assisted suicide for the guy who had a stoma, but not for other illnesses is backwards. https://life.shared.com/10-year-old...1XhWWv8DewCTVaMqNoDq15D85oGLDwNlrhy6PCAlzuNzY

 

[Idledays]

I have gi issues ibs c. Right now I managed to find something that works (milk of magnesia weekly) but yes I know in the future if that doesnt work anymore, I might need surgery too. My question is I know this is not a good method to go, but if sn fails me I may have no choice but to ctb this way. This is why I've stalled ctb bc of my digestion issues. But yeah if I dont take my weekly laxative, and dont go to the bathroom for weeks, obviously because I have ibs-c, how long do you think it would take to ctb? I know it will probably be painful though, im just curious about this also heres a link of a young boy who had it and just died. Felt so bad for him. Im not ctb bc of ibs, but for other reasons. Honestly life with a stoma bag isnt that bad, I have worse things and for them to grant assisted suicide for the guy who had a stoma, but not for other illnesses is backwards. https://life.shared.com/10-year-old...1XhWWv8DewCTVaMqNoDq15D85oGLDwNlrhy6PCAlzuNzY

Do you mean how long would it take to die by remaining constipated? If so, i really have no idea, but i really wouldn't suggest this as being a viable option. It's probably going to take a very long time, (months... Perhaps longer!) and you'd end up getting a perforation (hole) in the bowel, meaning your waste will leak into the rest of your body, possibly causing sepsis / septic shock.

I would guess it would be such a slow process that you're likely to be found as it could take a VERY long time from performation to death.

Overall i don't think its a really a viable option and would really urge against such a lengthy, painful, and probably not that effective, method.


Also I'm really sorry to hear about the health issues. It totally sucks when it's effecting your life so much, but glad things seem to improving at the moment! Hope it continues!!

 

[Buffy5120]

Do you mean how long would it take to die by remaining constipated? If so, i really have no idea, but i really wouldn't suggest this as being a viable option. It's probably going to take a very long time, (months... Perhaps longer!) and you'd end up getting a perforation (hole) in the bowel, meaning your waste will leak into the rest of your body, possibly causing sepsis / septic shock.

I would guess it would be such a slow process that you're likely to be found as it could take a VERY long time from performation to death.

Overall i don't think its a really a viable option and would really urge against such a lengthy, painful, and probably not that effective, method.


Also I'm really sorry to hear about the health issues. It totally sucks when it's effecting your life so much, but glad things seem to improving at the moment! Hope it continues!!

Wait you had ibs c or d before your stoma? Did you have a blockage thats why they had to remove your colon?

 

[Foreversad]

I have gi issues ibs c. Right now I managed to find something that works (milk of magnesia weekly) but yes I know in the future if that doesnt work anymore, I might need surgery too. My question is I know this is not a good method to go, but if sn fails me I may have no choice but to ctb this way. This is why I've stalled ctb bc of my digestion issues. But yeah if I dont take my weekly laxative, and dont go to the bathroom for weeks, obviously because I have ibs-c, how long do you think it would take to ctb? I know it will probably be painful though, im just curious about this also heres a link of a young boy who had it and just died. Felt so bad for him. Im not ctb bc of ibs, but for other reasons. Honestly life with a stoma bag isnt that bad, I have worse things and for them to grant assisted suicide for the guy who had a stoma, but not for other illnesses is backwards. https://life.shared.com/10-year-old...1XhWWv8DewCTVaMqNoDq15D85oGLDwNlrhy6PCAlzuNzY

Colon inertia .or stubborn constipation.WE HAVE THE SAME FINALLY SOMEONE . PLEASE IF ALIVE CONTACT ME