Yes afaik that's correct.I dont know If I understood on Stan's Guide, but antiemetics are not needed If I have regular use of risperidon and other psych medications? Is that It?
Thx for helping.
I found some infos about that here too:
can you give the source in pm please?
Me Too in they ship from canada, 99% nitrite not nitrate? I don't want to pay 111$ us = 160$ canadian for IC...
It arrived and it's real. Just tested it with a drop of blood and it instantly turned brown. The bottle in real life looks much more professional than the picture on their website. Looks like they only deliver to the US but it was only $20 and I'm still surprised how easy it was. I've had attempts in the past but they were always pretty unlikely to succeed because the pro-lifers make it so hard. I'm not going to use it just yet, but it's nice to know I have the option available now.
can you describe the testing process please? did you just put a drop of blood on a grain of salt or?
Yeah, I just put a tiny bit on a paper plate and put a drop of blood on it. I also put one tiny grain on my tongue and it was salty, then I spit it out and rinsed out my mouth, but that was really dumb of me and not something people should do. It really only takes a tiny pinch of the stuff to kill you and I spent the next 2 hours constantly checking to make sure my lips weren't turning blue.
sorry, but I'm 90% sure that the 'tiny pinch' thing you said is incorrect. I mean SN is used for food processing...
I think you two are using different definitions of "pinch". Minimal lethal dose for humans is supposed to be 2g. (As always in life, no guarantee you will survive less than 2g. Don't get me wrong.)
Lethal dose is 1-2 grams, and a teaspoon is about 6 grams of salt. So yeah tiny pinch is probably the wrong way to say it, more of a hefty pinch, but life is random and someone with a smaller frame or who is already ill might accidentally ctb with a much smaller dose than the average.
yeah, I was mostly thinking about a small amount that's not even swallowed
Yes, they moved the documents to a different server.
journals.lww.com
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I guess I should buy a pulse oximeter because it does seem like if the Oxygen saturation goes below 85, there's really no chanceYes, they moved the documents to a different server.
You can find quite a few publications on SN on their new site.
"Fatal methemoglobinemia: A case series highlighting a new trend in intentional sodium nitrite or sodium nitrate ingestion as a method of suicide" (September 2021) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34298207/
Ok. I found this article in the Journal of Emergency Medicine "Sodium Nitrite Ingestion: an Emerging Trend in Suicide Attempts Shared via Online Communities" March 2021, but it's behind a paywall and I can't successfully link to it.
However - they did publish a table with vital signs of 5 patients who came to the ER with SN poisoning:
Patient 1
17 yr old female, arrived at hospital without heartbeat (HB)/blood pressure at 0, Oxygen Saturation at 79%, Peak Methoglobin level 84, Meth Blue administered once, deceased.
Patient 2
35 yr old male, arrived with regular HB, low blood pressure, Oxygen Sat at 80%, Peak Methoglobin level 80, Meth Blue given 2x, deceased.
Patient 3
17 yr old female, ingested 21 g of SN, arrived with rapid HB, regular blood pressure, Oxygen Sat at 84%, Peak Methoglobin over 24, Meth Blue given once, survived.
Patient 4
24 yr old male, arrived with rapid HB, regular blood pressure, Oxygen Sat at 87%, Peak Methoglobin at 69, Meth Blue given 2x, survived.
Patient 5
22 yr old male, slightly elevated HB, very low blood pressure, Oxygen Sat at 80%, Peak Methoglobin (not measured until after Meth Blue was given). They administered meth blue 4 (!) times and he still passed away.
Found a few snippets (more details on each patient and how they presented to the ER) published here:
The people who survived received Methylene Blue early enough.
Those who passed away had cardiac arrests before Meth Blue could be administered (sometimes with significant delay).
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EDIT:
July 2022:
Both cases reported here survived (one took about 10g, one less than 1 g), as they both presented to ER within a short timeframe:
"Suicide attempt using sodium nitrite ordered on the internet: Two case reports"
Suicide attempt using sodium nitrite ordered on the... : Medicine
ated water and food has previously occurred, there has been a substantial upsurge in suicide intoxication in recent years. Patient concerns: We present case reports of 2 patients who attempted suicide by sodium nitrite after ordering a “suicide powder” on the internet market. They were brought...
June 2021:
One case reported, 37 yr old female, deceased. Unfortunately behind a paywall, but description says "found in bed with water bottle containing SN and a plastic bag with several medications and a suicide note"
"Another suicide by sodium nitrite and multiple drugs: an alarming trend for "exit"?"
Another suicide by sodium nitrite and multiple drugs: an alarming trend for "exit"? - PubMed
This case report describes a fatal case of sodium nitrite and multiple drug consumption. A 37-year-old female was found in bed with a plastic bottle containing sodium nitrite and a bag containing multiple drugs and a suicide note. The results of the autopsy showed completely fixed grayish livor...
You could use a pulse oximeter, yes. However one of the studies I read mentioned that PO's overestimated saturation in this specific situation. Apparently the can't properly interpret readings when it comes to methemoglobinemia.
Wheels are set in motion. I just need to get alone now and take the damn thing.
arstechnica.com
