Resource SN megathread

[lifeofregret]

lol...I hope my shipment doesn't go byebye from the hurricane. It needs to come now, I've been waiting a week

 

[Ktmnny]

eBay

I am in Australia so it doesnt ship here :(

 

[Dumpling]

Short of watching it again, in his NuTech video, I could have sworn that Dr Nitschke recommended some sort of supplementation in the weeks prior to sn. Was it phytic acid? According to google, phytic acid is found in plant seeds (nuts, grains, legumes) and impairs the absorption of some minerals (iron, zinc, calcium)... Has anybody looked into this?

I've got some serious gut issues and am worried about vomiting, even with metoclopramide. I wonder if increasing my intake of phytic acid would increase my chances of keeping sn down...

 

[Mugara]

Yo, can someone please pm me on the method? After lurking in this topic I'm still not sure. I need a strong advice.

 

[RacilyDank]

Yo, can someone please pm me on the method? After lurking in this topic I'm still not sure. I need a strong advice.

What are you unsure about? Everything pretty much anyone knows is in this thread

 

[Mugara]

What are you unsure about? Everything pretty much anyone knows is in this thread

Well, I'm new to this and I kind of struggle to put everything together. I think I will have access to recommended meds soon but I need like a personal consultation. Could you perhaps answer me some questions? I live in RU and things are a bit different here.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Just inject it in your blood
i.v. method
definitely faster with less side effects and needs less SN

No good sn would burn like salt in your veins.

 

[windingdown]

Oh, wow. I really appreciate this thread. I read something negative about SN initially, and discounted it. But now I've read about it in the PPH, and sourced some on eBay for $10. This looks promising. Thank you.

 

[windingdown]

Well, I'm new to this and I kind of struggle to put everything together. I think I will have access to recommended meds soon but I need like a personal consultation. Could you perhaps answer me some questions? I live in RU and things are a bit different here.

I can try to answer your questions based on what I've read in the PPH.

Here's what I've picked up:

1. You need a pure source of sodium nitrite (not nitrate). NaNO2. You may be able to find it on ebay. It has a nearly indefinite shelf life, and there are no special safety precautions you need to take.
2. 30 minutes before taking the SN, take an anti-emetic, like Metoclopramide (4 10g tablets).
3. Just before taking the SN, drink 5g sodium bicarbonate dissolved in water (to raise the pH of the stomach).
4. Drink 10g (I'd probably go for 15; but as little as 3 is lethal) SN dissolved in 50ml water. It should have a quite neutral taste.

That's all.

If I had a full day to myself, without the chance of being found, I think I'd go for a double-poison approach. I'd start by taking my plant poison (Cerbera odollam seeds), and if I was still alive 6 hours later, I would take SN. That ought to give me very good odds.

I would probably wake up feeling like it was going to be the most uncomfortable day of my life, but it's got to be done at some point.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

I can try to answer your questions based on what I've read in the PPH.

Here's what I've picked up:

1. You need a pure source of sodium nitrite (not nitrate). NaNO2. You may be able to find it on ebay. It has a nearly indefinite shelf life, and there are no special safety precautions you need to take.
2. 30 minutes before taking the SN, take an anti-emetic, like Metoclopramide (4 10g tablets).
3. Just before taking the SN, drink 5g sodium bicarbonate dissolved in water (to raise the pH of the stomach).
4. Drink 10g (I'd probably go for 15; but as little as 3 is lethal) SN dissolved in 50ml water. It should have a quite neutral taste.

That's all.

If I had a full day to myself, without the chance of being found, I think I'd go for a double-poison approach. I'd start by taking my plant poison (Cerbera odollam seeds), and if I was still alive 6 hours later, I would take SN. That ought to give me very good odds.

I would probably wake up feeling like it was going to be the most uncomfortable day of my life, but it's got to be done at some point.

The sodium bicarbonate has been discontinued they now reccomend 800mg of tagamet.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Why do you guys consider SN as a peaceful method when medical literature suggests it is risky, painful and a long drawn out process? I know this post will be unpopular but just wish to learn what you guys have read which makes this method appealing to you

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Why do you guys consider SN as a peaceful method when medical literature suggests it is risky, painful and a long drawn out process? I know this post will be unpopular but just wish to learn what you guys have read which makes this method appealing to you

It's in the ppeh 7 out of 10 for peacefulness, nobody has survived unless medical was called. You lose consciousness pretty quickly 15/30 minutes if antiemetic and tagamet are taken. The pain in the stomach that is commonly reported can mostly be eliminated by following instructions. The death is similar to carbonmonoxide in that it prevents oxygen in the blood.

 

[RacilyDank]

Why do you guys consider SN as a peaceful method when medical literature suggests it is risky, painful and a long drawn out process? I know this post will be unpopular but just wish to learn what you guys have read which makes this method appealing to you

Some of us are desperate and Exit international, the worlds leading euthanasia organisation claims it to be a peaceful method.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

It's in the ppeh 7 out of 10 for peacefulness, nobody has survived unless medical was called. You lose consciousness pretty quickly 15/30 minutes if antiemetic and tagamet are taken. The pain in the stomach that is commonly reported can mostly be eliminated by following instructions. The death is similar to carbonmonoxide in that it prevents oxygen in the blood.

I see, but with due respect, I think you may have been misinformed:

1. PPH has one clinical trial on the subject.
2. PPH 's advice on the regiment has been changing all the time. At one point, they even said anti-emetics was unnecessary.
3.I work in a hospital and can tell you that i have not seen nor heard anyone losing consciousness in 15 to 30 mins.
4. how do you eliminate the pains, which is excruciating?
5. You can click on my profile to see posts i made when attending to patients with SN poisoning
6. CO is a much more peaceful method as the mechanism in depriving the body of oxygen is completely different.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Some of us are desperate and Exit international, the worlds leading euthanasia organisation claims it to be a peaceful method.

I understand but there are better and more reliable methods out there which is equally as accessible as SN and I think you have read my previous comments re Exit int'l and the PPH.

 

[RacilyDank]

I understand but there are better and more reliable methods out there which is equally as accessible as SN and I think you have read my previous comments re Exit int'l and the PPH.

What is equally as accessible as SN? I've been researching methods for quite some time

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

What is equally as accessible as SN? I've been researching methods for quite some time

I would say CO and inert gases like nitrogen and Argon.

 

[RacilyDank]

I see, but with due respect, I think you may have been misinformed:

1. PPH has one clinical trial on the subject.
2. PPH 's advice on the regiment has been changing all the time. At one point, they even said anti-emetics was unnecessary.
3.I work in a hospital and can tell you that i have not seen nor heard anyone losing consciousness in 15 to 30 mins.
4. how do you eliminate the pains, which is excruciating?
5. You can click on my profile to see posts i made when attending to patients with SN poisoning
6. CO is a much more peaceful method as the mechanism in depriving the body of oxygen is completely different.

Yes, you work in a hospital, which means you only see the cases in which people made it hospital (i.e. the worst case scenarios) where they either backed out and called an ambulance or were 'rescued'.

I'm not trying to make a case for SN being 100% reliable or peaceful but do you see the faulty logic here or that your perspective is somewhat biased?

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

I see, but with due respect, I think you may have been misinformed:

1. PPH has one clinical trial on the subject.
2. PPH 's advice on the regiment has been changing all the time. At one point, they even said anti-emetics was unnecessary.
3.I work in a hospital and can tell you that i have not seen nor heard anyone losing consciousness in 15 to 30 mins.
4. how do you eliminate the pains, which is excruciating?
5. You can click on my profile to see posts i made when attending to patients with SN poisoning
6. CO is a much more peaceful method as the mechanism in depriving the body of oxygen is completely different.

Well in a hospital they would give you methylene blue straight away so you wouldent lose consciousness. You could always take some codeine if worried about pain, your right about there advice on the antiemetic, any autopsy reports ive read always state there was a large amount of vomit nearby. So Phillip nietche may not have researched this well. Death is assured unless rescued, i think most people here care more about being successful with there method and are willing to endure some pain though if they could afford it im sure would much rather have nembutal .There have been many successful suicides on this forum from this method, but many unsuccessful attempts via charcoal method.

 

[RacilyDank]

I would say CO and inert gases like nitrogen and Argon.

CO is not exactly reliable either, there are many cases where people have failed and ended up brain damaged.

Inert gases rely on putting a bag over your head which people pull off when the survival instinct kicks in.

I think what appeals to us about SN is the idea of simply swallowing something and, if you believe pph, quickly become unconscious and die.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Yes, you work in a hospital, which means you only see the cases in which people made it hospital (i.e. the worst case scenarios) where they either backed out and called an ambulance or were 'rescued'.

I'm not trying to make a case for SN being 100% reliable or peaceful but do you see the faulty logic here or that your perspective is somewhat biased?

I don't think I am biased. i get to see patients who were admitted during an early onset of symptoms to those who were completely "gone" ( violent vomiting, severe pain, partial loss of consciousness etc.) I can safely say that i have witnessed more deaths via SN than the PPH. And my clinical findings are consistent with that of my colleagues and the prevailing medical literature. I am not saying SN isn't lethal. All I am saying is it is unreliable due to the time required for death and the excruciating pain.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Well in a hospital they would give you methylene blue straight away so you wouldent lose consciousness. You could always take some codeine if worried about pain, your right about there advice on the antiemetic, any autopsy reports ive read always state there was a large amount of vomit nearby. So Phillip nietche may not have researched this well. Death is assured unless rescued, i think most people here care more about being successful with there method and are willing to endure some pain though if they could afford it im sure would much rather have nembutal .There have been many successful suicides on this forum from this method, but many unsuccessful attempts via charcoal method.

CO is not exactly reliable either, there are many cases where people have failed and ended up brain damaged.

Inert gases rely on putting a bag over your head which people pull off when the survival instinct kicks in.

I think what appeals to us about SN is the idea of simply swallowing something and, if you believe pph, quickly become unconscious and die.

If you want a foolproof way to go there are the violent methods and also for CO and the inert gases if done properly is 100% and relatively painless. i am not trying to argue with you but i see the reason for people choosing SN as their methods are just for the convenience which is all good. But with a bit more effort, much more reliable and painless methods could be achieved. I would also state that people are harboring under the illusion that you can just take SN and be unconscious in 15 -30 mins which is clearly not true.

 

[OfficerK]

I understand but there are better and more reliable methods out there which is equally as accessible as SN and I think you have read my previous comments re Exit int'l and the PPH.

I don't mean to offend you, but why would we rather listen to you than Exit? SN poisoning seems like such a rare occurrence that I would find it unlikely that someone would have several first hand experiences with it. Maybe I'm wrong, and if that's the case I apologize for doubting you. It's true that they only detail one case in the PPH, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they've only observed one incident of suicide by SN, although you're right that it's no scientific study.

The medical literature that describes SN poisoning is limited in the sense that it mainly describes accidental poisoning, rather than intentional and thought out self-poisoning with a sufficient dose accompanied by anti-emetics and gastric acid inhibitors as recommended by the PPH.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1742-6723.2010.01335.x

This is a case describing a (maybe frail and sick) 76-year old collapsing after twenty five minutes. The quantity of SN is unknown and it's not mentioned whether or not he used anti-emetics.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criem/2016/9013816/

In this case the subject was experiencing "transient loss of consciousness" within an hour after taking the nitrite, most likely quite a while beforehand considering travel time.

SN is popular because it appears to be a fairly reliable method given that you avoid detection for a few hours after ingestion (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/15563659509000462?journalCode=ictx19, 14/22 died after accidental poisoning). It could be that there is some pain involved, but the opinion of Dr. Nitschke combined with cases such as the ones above indicate that it won't last for very long. Many intend to circumvent or mitigate that pain by combining the drugs recommended by Exit with benzos and/or morphine. And as I've said before, 30 minutes of physical pain outweighs 30 years of mental misery.

That being said, while I question your claim that nitrite is likely to be a painful method, I would obviously recommend that everyone seek out methods that are more reliable and certain if they can. There's always going to be some sort of risk associated with methods that deprive you of oxygen, which means that you should be very hesitant unless you're in a rush. My advice would be to eliminate all other options before going for nitrite, which is by the way similar to what Nitschke recommends when comparing Nembutal and Nitrite.

 

[RacilyDank]

I don't think I am biased. i get to see patients who were admitted during an early onset of symptoms to those who were completely "gone" ( violent vomiting, severe pain, partial loss of consciousness etc.) I can safely say that i have witnessed more deaths via SN than the PPH. And my clinical findings are consistent with that of my colleagues and the prevailing medical literature. I am not saying SN isn't lethal. All I am saying is it is unreliable due to the time required for death and the excruciating pain.

Do you think there's a chance that those admitted haven't done it right? For example not taken antiemetics, or anything to knock themselves out before the SN takes effect.

Out of interest, how are you planning to go? Or are you just here to talk people out of using SN?

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Do you think there's a chance that those admitted haven't done it right? For example not taken antiemetics, or anything to knock themselves out before the SN takes effect.

Out of interest, how are you planning to go? Or are you just here to talk people out of using SN?

You are right, I have no idea what else they took together with the SN. But my medical training suggests that unless they take short-acting barbs together with strong analgesics, there is no way they will be knocked out. They would invariably vomit, and be jolted out of their sleeps as a result of the pains.

my method is here:


https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-benefits-of-living-in-a-third-world-country.4295/

 

[Madrid27]

If you want a foolproof way to go there are the violent methods and also for CO and the inert gases if done properly is 100% and relatively painless. i am not trying to argue with you but i see the reason for people choosing SN as their methods are just for the convenience which is all good. But with a bit more effort, much more reliable and painless methods could be achieved. I would also state that people are harboring under the illusion that you can just take SN and be unconscious in 15 -30 mins which is clearly not true.

You are right :)

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

I don't mean to offend you, but why would we rather listen to you than Exit? SN poisoning seems like such a rare occurrence that I would find it unlikely that someone would have several first hand experiences with it. Maybe I'm wrong, and if that's the case I apologize for doubting you. It's true that they only detail one case in the PPH, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they've only observed one incident of suicide by SN, although you're right that it's no scientific study.

The medical literature that describes SN poisoning is limited in the sense that it mainly describes accidental poisoning, rather than intentional and thought out self-poisoning with a sufficient dose accompanied by anti-emetics and gastric acid inhibitors as recommended by the PPH.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1742-6723.2010.01335.x

This is a case describing a (maybe frail and sick) 76-year old collapsing after twenty five minutes. The quantity of SN is unknown and it's not mentioned whether or not he used anti-emetics.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criem/2016/9013816/

In this case the subject was experiencing "transient loss of consciousness" within an hour after taking the nitrite, most likely quite a while beforehand considering travel time.

SN is popular because it appears to be a fairly reliable method given that you avoid detection for a few hours after ingestion (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/15563659509000462?journalCode=ictx19, 14/22 died after accidental poisoning). It could be that there is some pain involved, but the opinion of Dr. Nitschke combined with cases such as the ones above indicate that it won't last for very long. Many intend to circumvent or mitigate that pain by combining the drugs recommended by Exit with benzos and/or morphine. And as I've said before, 30 minutes of physical pain outweighs 30 years of mental misery.

That being said, while I question your claim that nitrite is likely to be a painful method, I would obviously recommend that everyone seek out methods that are more reliable and certain if they can. There's always going to be some sort of risk associated with methods that deprive you of oxygen, which means that you should be very hesitant unless you're in a rush. My advice would be to eliminate all other options before going for nitrite, which is by the way similar to what Nitschke recommends when comparing Nembutal and Nitrite.

No, I am not offended at all. It's good to get a discussion going. You may find SN poisoning to be rare in the Western developed countries but it is actually a rather common method in Cambodia where there are many mom and pop's stores needing it for the curing of meat and also for its anti-bacterial properties. As such, we do come across it more than you think.
Anyway, I apologize I do not wish to re-iterate what I have previously said to address the points made in your post. You can refer to my post history if you are so inclined.

I do, however, agree with the last sentence of your post "My advice would be to eliminate all other options before going for nitrite...."

 

[RacilyDank]

You are right, I have no idea what else they took together with the SN. But my medical training suggests that unless they take short-acting barbs together with strong analgesics, there is no way they will be knocked out. They would invariably vomit, and be jolted out of their sleeps as a result of the pains.

my method is here:


https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-benefits-of-living-in-a-third-world-country.4295/

You are very lucky you have access to N

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

You are very lucky you have access to N

Yes, I am. being in a shithole country do have one or two perks.

 

[RacilyDank]

Yes, I am. being in a shithole country do have one or two perks.

I know a lot of people who've visited Cambodia and said apart from the poverty and corruption it is a beautiful place.

Apologies if I've come across at all combative or defensive. I do value your input into this discussion. It's hard to hear when you've put so much effort and hope into a method.