Resource SN FAQ - Storage, Recovery, Death

[Quarky00]

If a person takes large quantity of SN & nobody finds them, no hospital, no medical intervention… (no rescue, just fail)

But the person does NOT DIE...
Is it likely that they would suffer permanent damage?

That's not possible .. You cannot take lots of SN, left alone, and fail.
To answer directly: there won't be a permanent damage.
But the entire scenario is very complex (several issues there) -- and unlikely.
So how can we put that in the FAQ....

Knowing that now, can you state a short question along those lines? I suggest this, but I think your phrasing will be better:)

Can I take large amounts of SN, and survive without getting rescued?	No. This is extremely rare.

 

[purplemoon]

That's not possible .. You cannot take lots of SN, left alone, and fail.
To answer directly: there won't be a permanent damage.
But the entire scenario is very complex (several issues there) -- and unlikely.
So how can we put that in the FAQ....

Knowing that now, can you state a short question along those lines? I suggest this, but I think your phrasing will be better:)

Can I take large amounts of SN, and survive without getting rescued?	No. This is extremely rare.

Thank you kindly. I know, sometimes I write at length, to put it mildly, Lol. (Usually when i'm either very happy or very sad.)

i Like the way you phrased it actually, seems to be nice and concise, very succinct.

I would only consider adding a few more words to what you wrote:

Can I take large amounts of SN, have no medical intervention, and still survive without any permanent damage?

I just appreciate your thoughtful efforts, of course the final decision is up to you.

**WARNING!!**
I'm only afraid of these possible,

very DANGEROUS SIDE EFFECTS if I mix my SN with cinnamon & chocolate…. & wake up like this...

 

[Quarky00]

Thank you kindly. I know, sometimes I write at length, to put it mildly, Lol. (Usually when i'm either very happy or very sad.)

i Like the way you phrased it actually, seems to be nice and concise, very succinct.

I would only consider adding a few more words to what you wrote:

Can I take large amounts of SN, have no medical intervention, and still survive without any permanent damage?

I just appreciate your thoughtful efforts, of course the final decision is up to you.

Okay for us? :)

Can I take large amounts of SN, and survive alone, without getting rescued?	No. This is extremely rare.
Can I take large amounts of SN, have no medical intervention, and survive without permanent damage?	You will not have permanent damage. But you won't survive(!) – scenario very unlikely – without rescue 99% fatal

 

[Jean4]

Telling them to read Stan's guide again. Now that's funny lol

 

[purplemoon]

i like the way you made it less wordy!

 

[Quarky00]

Telling them to read Stan's guide again. Now that's funny lol

Won't do.

We need SS Alexa

 

[purplemoon]

Won't do.

We need SS Alexa

"Hey Siri... will you kill me in my sleep please?!"

 

[Quarky00]

Could be named Stan.

- "Stan, can I use iso-gluto-propanol enema?"

- "I'm researching, please wait... <popcorn noises> Found answer. Please abort ctb planning. Go to sleep." (dunno how to make it darker)


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Another add on:

Solid – very cold/hot weather here – what should I do?

Nothing. SN is transported in all climates without any heating/cooling. SN is simply not reactive – only to moisture, acid, extreme heat, etc

 

[Quarky00]

Minor addition, for an interesting nice question

Why SN does not cause brain damage?	Other organs die first . Heart, kidneys, etc collapse first -- research link at the end See above: brain function continues
What are the chances of coma / becoming vegetable?	Currently 0% , as far as we know: no such documented cases, out of thousands cases of poisoning

 

[Ghost2211]

Thank you for compiling this. It will help with many peoples curiosities.

 

[cursum.perficio]

One question: if the sn bottle is opened once, does it begin to lose its effectiveness? I want to test mine.

 

[Terminally ill]

Minor addition, for an interesting nice question

Why SN does not cause brain damage?	Other organs die first . Heart, kidneys, etc collapse first -- research link at the end See above: brain function continues
What are the chances of coma / becoming vegetable?	Currently 0% , as far as we know: no such documented cases, out of thousands cases of poisoning

Thousands cases of poisoning? Do you mind pointing me in some directions as where to find this kind of information except for the cases from here?I would like to research more, thank you.

 

[Quarky00]

Thousands cases of poisoning? Do you mind pointing me in some directions as where to find this kind of information except for the cases from here?I would like to research more, thank you.

Sure thing, look here . Take a month or two to read that .

It's centuries old ( "Outbreak of Sodium Nitrite Poisoning - 1944" )

 

[Quarky00]

Intake ​
Common symptoms?	Stan's Guide Success/failure stories – provide full testimonies It's individual. Each member mentioned something else -- that another wasn't worried about.
Taste	Some report bad taste – others didn't care. Taste rarely causes vomiting itself Mostly insignificant May use straw
Burning throat	Some report mild painful – most haven't
Fast heart rate	Some report 200bpm – like strenuous sprinting but while sitting down – can be scary. Can induce anxiety – see Benzo, Beta-Blockers. Again others were not that bothered.
Vomiting	SN fatal even if vomited 50ml on empty stomach (little) – no prolonged / severe / violent vomiting
Servings / Vomiting practice	Common practice – 3 servings If vomit before fainting – drink next serving Don't force drink #2 – body already absorbed SN Example Serving​ Drank​ Vomited​ Absorbed​ #1​ Vomited 20g​ 15g​ 5g​ #2​ Partially drank 14g​ 7g​ 7g​ Total SN​ 12g (fatal)​ If vomit within 10m – may take more SN Fainting around 12m indicates fatality – sufficient SN absorption (no need for more)
Double dose?	DON'T. Double dose do the opposite – vomiting all (instead of some)
Routes of administration?	DON'T. Search threads. Enema – strong salts burn and literally destroy membranes . (example , more) Capsules – need quick SN and in intestines -- capsules interfere , not practical (details , absorption)
Alcohol	DON'T. Search threads. 100ml alcohol changes everything Stomach acidity, metabolism, and abosrption (even 3h after drink) Vomit more and/or violently Opposite effects -- increase anxiety/headache Recommendation is to barely drink water for max SN absorption, additions are counter productive, don't mix poisons.
Weed / Marijuana / MDMA	DON'T. Search threads. Weed not strong antiemetic Psychoactive effects while ctb – hazardous Intensify feeling – panic & survival instinct Freak out , unpredictable Combining 2 extreme experiences in one Example , example , example , and plenty more

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Fasting​
Timeline	5h before SN– light meal – start fasting. Some may consider 4h as enough, others will want 6h Avoid alcohol Next 3 hours– water, non-acidic juices – moderation (glass or two) Avoid acidic, carbonated, caffeinated, fatty drinks. If must eat, see snacks Next 1 hour – minimize water intake. Don't be uncomfortable, sip some water Next 1 hour – complete fast (no drinking) After SN– may have a small chocolate tablet for taste Don't overdo – may cause nausea May use mint etc Example and discussion
Juices	Juices/shakes made with either carrot, aloe, cabbage, beet, watermelon, spinach, cucumber, pear, etc You know your stomach better.
Snacks	Fruit & veg – simple non-acidic, small amount. Candy – simple sugars, no fat, up to 100 calories Apples are acidic and fiberours (long travel in intestines) but 1 small apple 4h before SN could be ok – you know your stomach better.
Acidic, carbonated, caffeinated, fatty drinks?	Avoid. If must have – 3h before SN intake (at most 2h) Not recommended
Original PPH timeline (strict)	8h before intake – light meal , start fasting Next 6 hours: Some water. If must drink – small amounts of non-acidic juices Next 2 hours: Complete fast – no drinking
Why did it change?	Quick gastric emptying for fluids and simple sugars pH returns to normal 1h after emptying Intestines partially empty – are sufficient for SN absorption See detailed version with data

 

[Terminally ill]

Considering that SN oxidizes with water and we prepare all the 3 drinks in advance in case of vomiting, does anybody know how long will this still be the potent sodium nitrite solution we want? Is it a matter of minutes or hours?

 

[Quarky00]

Intake
Taste	Some report bad taste – others didn't care. Taste rarely causes vomiting itself Mostly insignificant Amitryptyline > N > SN (least horrible)
Aftertaste	Discussed dozens times, search threads. Suggestions: Use straw – direct to throat Suck ice before – reduce taste (see here) Gargle water or mouthwash Suck on: Small chocolate tablet Mint Bit of honey Anything that won't be ingested / irritate stomach

 

[one4all]

@Quarky00
Thank you very much for all the information you have provided!

 

[HelensNepenthe]

Could you add any clarification why you mention sodium nitrite does not oxidize with air, yet it is mentioned in merely every MSDS that sodium nitrite will become sodium nitrate once exposed to air or oxygen?




My post isn't meant to be antagonizing, although sources (including the PPH that you've referenced before) make it clear that sodium nitrite is air sensitive. If there's anything to be said, it should be that until you're ready to go, you shouldn't remove the contents from its packaging.

 

[Quarky00]

You/I wrote:

nitrite does not oxidize with air

They wrote:

oxidize in air

Notice where, and with what . Does not react with O2 , but while exposed to air (reacts with H20; humidity) . And as written in attached images "slowly" .

Sodium nitrite is not air sensitive, it's water-sensitive . Correct me if I'm wrong.

(@HelensNepenthe , was that clear enough?:)

 

[HelensNepenthe]

You/I wrote:


They wrote:


Notice where, and with what . Does not react with O2 , but while exposed to air (reacts with H20; humidity) . And as written in attached images "slowly" .

Sodium nitrite is not air sensitive, it's water-sensitive . Correct me if I'm wrong.

(@HelensNepenthe , was that clear enough?:)

Right. I'm aware of this. It's hygroscopic. It's semantics at best to argue with and in when the average Jane/Joe will read your post and want to open it up. That's why I wrote "If there's anything to be said, it should be that until you're ready to go, you shouldn't remove the contents from its packaging".

PPH recommends to keep the container sealed and why are you recommending people otherwise in the chance if they open it? There's no way of distuingishing nitrate and nitrite. It is better to just not include that information at all.

 

[Quarky00]

I don't blindly take PPH or anyone else . I'm not "recommending" -- did you read disclaimer ? Anyone should make their own judgment , rather than trusting me . I admit that I did not fully understand your conclusion and its reasoning . Yes , I think one can open and reseal SN , it has been suggested be many here , and it's the practice in laboratories .. I don't quite understand what you are saying ? We discussed it several times in other threads . If you have further information , please elaborate and provide a reference to research

E.g. "you shouldn't remove the contents from its packaging" -- why ? Provide examples and reactions , after searching previous discussions .

 

[LegaliseIt!]

Could be named Stan.

- "Stan, can I use iso-gluto-propanol enema?"

- "I'm researching, please wait... <popcorn noises> Found answer. Please abort ctb planning. Go to sleep." (dunno how to make it darker)


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Another add on:

Solid – very cold/hot weather here – what should I do?

Nothing. SN is transported in all climates without any heating/cooling. SN is simply not reactive – only to moisture, acid, extreme heat, etc

@Quarky00 , I am cringing. My keywords didn't grab this on my search;)
I'm losing my Mad Library Superpowers! Noooooooo!!!!

 

[Quarky00]

[Collating]

Quarky00's Sodium Nitrite (SN / NaNO2) FAQ

docs.google.com

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[Fasting update]

• Up to 1h before -- drink freely (few glasses not litres)
• 1 hour before stop drinking
  • This can be flexible: 45 - 90m

https://www.livestrong.com/article/493343-how-fast-is-water-digested/

Study recruited volunteers to drink ordinary water that included deuterium, a hydrogen isotope, that enabled researchers to track each gulp throughout the body. Water started showing up in the bloodstream within five minutes; half was absorbed in 11 to 13 minutes, and the remainder was completely absorbed within 75 to 120 minutes.

 

[Quarky00]

Intake
Can I drink after SN?	NO. Read members testimonies. Your stomach will be in turmoil , interacting with SN , with chances of vomiting -- adding more to the mix is bad. [1] Suggested aftertaste solutions, and small gulp of water, would do little harm.

 

[Otter]

Amber glass air-tight refrigeration is a bit overdoing ;) Useful for 5+ years storage..We don't know much about it.

I think I have Antiemets+Meto+Benzo FAQ.
Would that be useful?
Should I publish in new thread for feedback?

Yes, please!

 

[Quarky00]

~ Add to FAQ ~

Routes of administration --

• IV / Injection -- Vein will collapse , SN won't enter bloodstream (destroy membranes) [1] ; not practical [2] [3]

Vomiting --

• If extremely worried (shouldn't) -- may trial salt water -- suggested by SK , and here

Intake -- Dosage & Servings

• To absorb more SN despite possible vomit -- two strategies emerged:
  • PPH increased dose
  • Stan multiple serving -- if vomit take more
• Dosage
  • PPH = 1x 25g
  • Stan = 3x 20g
• Over 100kg
  • PPH = 1x 30g
  • Stan = 3x 25g
• Under 60kg(suggested; not confirmed)
  • PPH = 1x 20g
  • Stan = 3x 15g
• How many actually drank several servings? [1]
• Too much SN may cause instant vomiting
• PPH changed dosage, 15g --> 20g --> 25g

Intake -- Taste -- (rewrite "Taste & Burning")

• Issue are NOT painful, but bad sensory/mental experience for many
  • Discomfort documented [1] [2] -- complained "very disgusting" (few felt nothing)
• SN tastes like salt [1] -- may practice with regularsalt:
  • Members tried [1] [2] [3]
  • Mostly safe but careful , research
• Quick shot to back of throat -- best practice
• Don't sip [1]
• Straw maybe , perhaps too slow
• Aftertaste -- prepare strong mint , chocolate , jam , etc
  • Something strong to overcome taste
  • Without much calories , acidity , irritation
  • Avoid ingesting -- few minutes to allow SN intake [1]

 

[Busdriver]

Servings / Vomiting practice	Common practice – 3 servings If vomit before fainting – drink next serving Don't force drink #2 – body already absorbed SN Example Serving Drank Vomited Absorbed #1 Vomited 20g 15g 5g #2 Partially drank 14g 7g 7g Total SN 12g (fatal) If vomit within 10m – may take more SN Fainting around 12m indicates fatality – sufficient SN absorption (no need for more)

and

Intake -- Dosage & Servings

• To absorb more SN despite possible vomit -- two strategies emerged:
  • PPH increased dose
  • Stan multiple serving -- if vomit take more
• Dosage
  • PPH = 1x 25g
  • Stan = 3x 20g
• Over 100kg
  • PPH = 1x 30g
  • Stan = 3x 25g
• Under 60kg(suggested; not confirmed)
  • PPH = 1x 20g
  • Stan = 3x 15g
• How many actually drank several servings? [1]
• Too much SN may cause instant vomiting
• PPH changed dosage, 15g --> 20g --> 25g

@Quarky00, you make amazing overviews containing lots of relevant information. You make us, CTB'ers, feel so relieved with all the required information in this and several other threads.
Regarding the above snippets, I would like to have 3 servings in case I vomit. If body weight is normal, Stan advises 3 cups of 20g, the PPH advises 1 cup of 25g, you advise for the 1st cup 20g, 2nd cup 14g.
How much would you advise for an eventual 3rd cup?

 

[Quarky00]

Regarding the above snippets, I would like to have 3 servings in case I vomit. If body weight is normal, Stan advises 3 cups of 20g, the PPH advises 1 cup of 25g, you advise for the 1st cup 20g, 2nd cup 14g. How much would you advise for an eventual 3rd cup?

Oh dear , that wasn't a suggestion , just an example or scenario . How much did one drink / vomit / absorb :) This is to show that if you follow Stan's 3x20g but only drank only part of second serving (14g out of 20g) -- it's okay . Enough SN inside . This wasn't a dosge suggestion , but saying there is no need to force a lot of SN

Thank you for your kind words I wanted to help the community that helped me , and people like me in pain , anxiety , confusion .

Revision (make it clearer):

Servings / Vomiting practice

Common practice – 3 servings If vomit before fainting – drink next serving Don't force drink #2 – body already absorbed SN Following Stan practice, example: Serving Serving What happened Drank Vomited Absorbed #1 20g Drank all & vomited a lot 20g 15g 5g #2 20g Partially drank serving & vomited some 14g 7g 7g #3 20g Never used Total SN 12g (fatal) If vomit within 10m – may take more SN Fainting around 12m indicates fatality – sufficient SN absorption (no need for more)

 

[Busdriver]

Amazingly informative, kind, and well-written.

I wanted to help the community that helped me , and people like me in pain , anxiety , confusion .

It must have taken you A LOT OF time to gather all the important information concerning SN. It must have been hard to gather all insights regarding CTB methods while feeling suicidal. You deserve a medal.

 

[Quarky00]

It must have been hard to gather all insights regarding CTB methods while feeling suicidal. You deserve a medal.

I wrote it for my self over 2 months -- before I even joined. I did not plan to write for others. Only later did I publish it.

Writing everything made me feel certain and focused , very calm about my ctb . Allowed me to process and know everything . I was reassured .

After drinking salt water (trial) -- I will take that medal!! lol. Thanx for appreciation , I'm just happy it helps!