SN DEATH PROTOCOLS

[007Bob]

May I ask a personal question? I have bad ashtma and propranolol makes it hard to breathe. Given the situation, would it be advised me still use it or skip this step?

The purpose of propranolol is to speed up death. If you have asthma, you may die faster. That's the problem, we all would like to just fall into peaceful eternal sleep with a painless death. I wish we all had access to DDMAPh (Medical Aid in Dying) but even if you have access to all the pills, that's too many pills (1000) and the risk of. Vomiting is very high. FYI, in the original MAiD the meds come in powder form, not pills.

I have been wondering why redosing meto can better prevent vomiting. I cannot find an explanation anywhere.

What does it mean "redosing meto"? What do you do here?

 

[Esokabat]

I just found a source to have access to Ondansetron. So basically now I have access to 2 SN options to CTB. Can you help me with the pros and cons of each method? I want to make sure that I chose the right SN Protocol to have a Peaceful Death. Can you please share your suggestions and feedback?

Here are the meds used in each option:

……………….
OPTION #1
……………...
AEs: Metoclopramide
1st Drink: 25gm SN + 0.8gm Propranolol
2nd Drink: 0.6gm Oxazepam

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OPTION #2
……………....
AEs: Metoclopramide, Ondansetron
1st Drink: 25gm SN
2nd Drink: 0.5gm Diazepam + 7.5gm Morphine SR + 1gm Propranolol

Option #1 is close to what's highlighted in the Peacefull Pill Handbook. It's tried and verified method.

In Option #2, I tried to come up with an SN protocol that Maximizes Peacefulness to be as close as possible to MAiD (Medical Aid in Dying) standards (such as DDMP, DDMA and DDMAPh) - but it comes from my creative mind. Option #2 also has 7.5gm Morphine SR: is it necessary? What would be the impact of including 7.5gm of Morphine SR? What do you think of the change of AEs to include Ondansetron? What are your thoughts and suggestions on these 2 options? I am open to come up with a third option that would be the best of all. Thank you in advance to your help on this

* Note that the MAiD (Medical Aid in Dying) protocols such as DDMP calls for 15gm of Morphine.

DETAILS BEHIND OPTION #1 & OPTION #2
……………….
OPTION #1
……………...
Day 1
• 20:00
- 1 X 10mg Metoclopramide
Day 2
• 4:00
- 1 X 10mg Metoclopramide
• 12:00
-1 X 10mg Metoclopramide
• 20:00
- 1 X 10mg Metoclopramide
Day 3
• No food on Day 3, only water
• 4:00
- 1 X 10mg Metoclopramide
• 11:00
- Stop drinking water
• 12:00
- 1 X 1000mg of Paracetamol
• 12:20
- 3 X 10mg Metoclopramide
- Antiacid (with Magnesium Hydroxide)
e.g. 800mg Tagamet (H2 antagonist cimetidine)
• Wait 40 minutes
- During the wait time, dissolve 25gm of Sodium Nitrite in 50-100ml of plain water
- Prepare a second 25gm SN drink (in case vomiting happens)
- Pulverize 20x30mg tablets of Oxazepam (Benzos)
- Pulverize 0.8gm of Propranolol tablets
- Mix Oxazepam tablets with enough water until a drinkable solution is created
- Mix Propranolol in SN drink
• 13:00
- Drink SN + Propranolol in water
- Drink Oxazepam in water
• Lay back

…………….…
OPTION #2
……………....
Day 1
• 00:00
- 1 X 8mg Ondansetron
Day 2
• 12:00
- 1 X 8mg Ondansetron
• 00:00
- 1 X 8mg Ondansetron
Day 3
• No food on Day 3, only water
• 11:00
- Stop drinking water
- 1 X 8mg Ondansetron
• 12:00
- 1 X 1000mg of Paracetamol
• 12:20
- 3 X 10mg Metoclopramide
- Antiacid (with Magnesium Hydroxide)
e.g. 800mg Tagamet (H2 antagonist cimetidine)
• Wait 40 minutes
- During the wait time, dissolve 25gm of Sodium Nitrite in 50-100ml of plain water
- Prepare a 2nd 25gm SN drink (in case vomiting happens)
- Pulverize 0.5gm Diazepam + 7.5gm Morphine SR + 1gm Propranolol (Mixture)
- Mix pulverized tablets with enough water until a drinkable solution is created
• 13:00
- Drink SN in water
- Drink Mixture in water
- Lay back

I like option #2. How much ml water will you need to drink the benzo + morphine combo? Are you not worried that it will further dillutte the SN liquid in the stomach? Or increase chance for vomiting? And finally, where can one get Morphine SR with no prescription?
…. Also, just to mention that I have seen a post here where someone took P and they still had the fast heart rate.
Maybe they didn't take the right dose? Have we seen any thread where the right dose of P was taken, and the person didn't have the high heart rate??
Also, just a personal observation that I once took 5-MeO-DMT and first I went unconscious from it, and after an unknown amount of time, I came back to consciousness with an extremely high heart rate, and I must admit, it was anxeity producing for me, even though I am not an anxious person. My heart was going like I was sprinting and someone was chasing me and I was running for my life. Similar feeling.
On the other hand, I still have access to 5-MEO-DMT (semi-legally)?and last time when I boofed it, about 0.5 ml water, so tiny amount, because the powder is extremely potent, you need a pinpoint amount, it knocked me unconscious in less than one minute, which made me wonder if I could just take my SN and then knock myself out with 5-MEO. The disadvantage is that I cannot take second glass SN. Some people can vomit from 5MEO, but in my case, I never had that problem, not even nausea. The only thing is, what will two substances that both cause fast heart rate cause? Heart attack? I would also need to test how long I am unconscious from 5-MEO-DMT. It is not a long time, probably around 10-15 minutes
5-MeO is quite easily available on the clearnet, it is extremely potent, 40 mg pure powder will dissolve in less than 0.5ml water, maybe about 0.25ml water, and it can knock you out and would not interfere with vomiting as it is boofed. I think it could be something interesting, but I don't know how the heart would react to it as it causes fast heart rate same as SN. I am just brainstorming. SN would certainly be more peaceful if you get unconscious for the first 10-15 minutes, I just don't know what happens after that.

 

[007Bob]

I like option #2. How much ml water will you need to drink the benzo + morphine combo? Are you not worried that it will further dillutte the SN liquid in the stomach? Or increase chance for vomiting? And finally, where can one get Morphine SR with no prescription?
…. Also, just to mention that I have seen a post here where someone took P and they still had the fast heart rate.
Maybe they didn't take the right dose? Have we seen any thread where the right dose of P was taken, and the person didn't have the high heart rate??
Also, just a personal observation that I once took 5-MeO-DMT and first I went unconscious from it, and after an unknown amount of time, I came back to consciousness with an extremely high heart rate, and I must admit, it was anxeity producing for me, even though I am not an anxious person. My heart was going like I was sprinting and someone was chasing me and I was running for my life. Similar feeling.
On the other hand, I still have access to 5-MEO-DMT (semi-legally)?and last time when I boofed it, about 0.5 ml water, so tiny amount, because the powder is extremely potent, you need a pinpoint amount, it knocked me unconscious in less than one minute, which made me wonder if I could just take my SN and then knock myself out with 5-MEO. The disadvantage is that I cannot take second glass SN. Some people can vomit from 5MEO, but in my case, I never had that problem, not even nausea. The only thing is, what will two substances that both cause fast heart rate cause? Heart attack? I would also need to test how long I am unconscious from 5-MEO-DMT. It is not a long time, probably around 10-15 minutes
5-MeO is quite easily available on the clearnet, it is extremely potent, 40 mg pure powder will dissolve in less than 0.5ml water, maybe about 0.25ml water, and it can knock you out and would not interfere with vomiting as it is boofed. I think it could be something interesting, but I don't know how the heart would react to it as it causes fast heart rate same as SN. I am just brainstorming. SN would certainly be more peaceful if you get unconscious for the first 10-15 minutes, I just don't know what happens after that.

I am familiar with 5-MeO-DMT. It's a potent hallucinogen and can give you nightmares. I would not take it.

 

[YosemiteGrrl]

Read it again the original thread not these comments just.


You have the exact same information as I have, I've written exactly what the PPEH says.

@Nettles PLEASE help me to understand.
What is the difference between the protocol of 2 g of P and the 400mg of P? When is one used versus the other? I am leaving soon and I REALLY need this clarity ASAP.

 

[SpeciesB-9]

So today i am used a AI with a special prompt for medical questions, and this AI knows the SN Protokoll from the PPH.
I asked this AI for the SN Method with Propranolol and the AI gave me a 2 Day Timeplan.


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[Esokabat]

I am familiar with 5-MeO-DMT. It's a potent hallucinogen and can give you nightmares. I would not take it.

Are you sure that you are not confusing it with nn-DMT?
I never heard of 5-MEO giving nightmares, it creates a non-dualist experience, there are no nightmares involved. Maybe you think of regular DMT?
Also, my proposal was to take something called a "whiteout" dose, which does exactly that, knocks you unconscious, no nightmares.
I really think you are confusing the two DMT substances. With 5-MEO, no nightmares are involved. But with a large enough dose, a whiteout occurs during which you are not aware of the physical body

I am familiar with 5-MeO-DMT. It's a potent hallucinogen and can give you nightmares. I would not take it.

I really think you are referring to regular DMT. 5MEO-DMT is entirely non visual experience so how can there be any nightmares. Regular DMT is a visual hallucination. 5MEO is not visual, it is extremely fast acting, you can whiteout in less than 1 minute and be completely unaware of the body. You won't even know if you are breathing or not
This is a description of 5MEO from an experienced user:
"Synthetic 5MEO is like getting 125-150 mg ketamine injected through IM/IV.
For me, the experience on 5MEO at any sizeable dose (and also 100+mg ketamine injected) are both instant ego-death. You have a conscious experience, but that experience includes zero memory of anything you've ever known, so unrelated to anything you've ever seen/felt/thought. They're the only two drugs I've ever tried that have a reliable, easy-to-attain ego-death"
Another quote:
"5-Meo-DMT is like an ego light switch with off or on. While other Psychedelics are more like a dimmer switch with varying degrees of ego dissolution and intensity. Some may get you close too 100% or appear to in terms of full ego dissolution, 5-Meo will just flip the switch and completely obliterate your ego leaving you with the vastness of complete infinity of being everything and nothing. It's terrifyingly beautiful. "
The only thing I don't know the heart part. 5MEO increases heart rate to 150-160 bmp. And SN also increases heart rate. Would the two combined cause quicker death? Or heart attack while unconscious? A higher dose of 5MEO will definitely knock you unconscious for 10 to 15 minutes, I will need to test it one day the exact time interval. You don't have a sense of time when it happens, it is almost like being anesthesized. It comes on extremely fast, in a matter of seconds, and then total whiteout and unconsciousness.

 

[007Bob]

Are you sure that you are not confusing it with nn-DMT?
I never heard of 5-MEO giving nightmares, it creates a non-dualist experience, there are no nightmares involved. Maybe you think of regular DMT?
Also, my proposal was to take something called a "whiteout" dose, which does exactly that, knocks you unconscious, no nightmares.
I really think you are confusing the two DMT substances. With 5-MEO, no nightmares are involved. But with a large enough dose, a whiteout occurs during which you are not aware of the physical body

I really think you are referring to regular DMT. 5MEO-DMT is entirely non visual experience so how can there be any nightmares. Regular DMT is a visual hallucination. 5MEO is not visual, it is extremely fast acting, you can whiteout in less than 1 minute and be completely unaware of the body. You won't even know if you are breathing or not
This is a description of 5MEO from an experienced user:
"Synthetic 5MEO is like getting 125-150 mg ketamine injected through IM/IV.
For me, the experience on 5MEO at any sizeable dose (and also 100+mg ketamine injected) are both instant ego-death. You have a conscious experience, but that experience includes zero memory of anything you've ever known, so unrelated to anything you've ever seen/felt/thought. They're the only two drugs I've ever tried that have a reliable, easy-to-attain ego-death"
Another quote:
"5-Meo-DMT is like an ego light switch with off or on. While other Psychedelics are more like a dimmer switch with varying degrees of ego dissolution and intensity. Some may get you close too 100% or appear to in terms of full ego dissolution, 5-Meo will just flip the switch and completely obliterate your ego leaving you with the vastness of complete infinity of being everything and nothing. It's terrifyingly beautiful. "
The only thing I don't know the heart part. 5MEO increases heart rate to 150-160 bmp. And SN also increases heart rate. Would the two combined cause quicker death? Or heart attack while unconscious? A higher dose of 5MEO will definitely knock you unconscious for 10 to 15 minutes, I will need to test it one day the exact time interval. You don't have a sense of time when it happens, it is almost like being anesthesized. It comes on extremely fast, in a matter of seconds, and then total whiteout and unconsciousness.

As I said I am very familiar with 5-MeO-DMT. It enhances whatever other drugs you are taking. It can make you suicidal too.

 

[Undertow Mermaid]

Very helpful, thank you.

 

[Esokabat]

As I said I am very familiar with 5-MeO-DMT. It enhances whatever other drugs you are taking. It can make you suicidal too.

I don't agree, sorry. There are currently scientific trials that is using it for severe treatment resistant depression with very good results. I have never in my research heard that it made someone suicidal. But I heard many instances where people who were severely depressed and suicidal became less depressed. Scientific studies also showed to work for severe alcoholism, among other things. I think you are misinformed. One scientific study said "provided potent and ultra-rapid antidepressant effects. "

As I said I am very familiar with 5-MeO-DMT. It enhances whatever other drugs you are taking. It can make you suicidal too.

Also, nobody in their right mind would take any other drug with 5. What are you even talking about? It is one of the most potent drug that exist in the world, it is not taken with other drugs
I think we will agree to disagree on this. No use to continue the discussion

 

[Nettles]

So today i am used a AI with a special prompt for medical questions, and this AI knows the SN Protokoll from the PPH.
I asked this AI for the SN Method with Propranolol and the AI gave me a 2 Day Timeplan.


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Very interesting Thank you

 

[007Bob]

I don't agree, sorry. There are currently scientific trials that is using it for severe treatment resistant depression with very good results. I have never in my research heard that it made someone suicidal. But I heard many instances where people who were severely depressed and suicidal became less depressed. Scientific studies also showed to work for severe alcoholism, among other things. I think you are misinformed. One scientific study said "provided potent and ultra-rapid antidepressant effects. "

Also, nobody in their right mind would take any other drug with 5. What are you even talking about? It is one of the most potent drug that exist in the world, it is not taken with other drugs
I think we will agree to disagree on this. No use to continue the discussion

Look into Dr Rettig. He uses 5-MeO-DMT and had 8 cases of suicides.

 

[blackwave]

Thanks for sharing this amazing summary you've done

 

[Roadrunner]

Excellent read, thank you!

 

[Acritarch]

Can someone please explain the propranolol to me?
I think I'm getting something mixed up.

I have understood it as follows.

Variant 1
Antimetics + 400mg propranolol (propranolol dissolved in water)
40 minutes later drink 25g SN

Variant 2
Antimetics only
40 minutes later, dissolve 25 g SN + 2 g propranolol together in water and drink.

What happens if I vomit, then SN + propranolol again or just a second cup of SN?

I have seen that there are also different propranolol, long-acting etc..

 

[YosemiteGrrl]

Can someone please explain the propranolol to me?
I think I'm getting something mixed up.

I have understood it as follows.

Variant 1
Antimetics + 400mg propranolol (propranolol dissolved in water)
40 minutes later drink 25g SN

Variant 2
Antimetics only
40 minutes later, dissolve 25 g SN + 2 g propranolol together in water and drink.

What happens if I vomit, then SN + propranolol again or just a second cup of SN?

I have seen that there are also different propranolol, long-acting etc..

I have been confused on this exact same thing.

 

[007Bob]

Can someone please explain the propranolol to me?
I think I'm getting something mixed up.

I have understood it as follows.

Variant 1
Antimetics + 400mg propranolol (propranolol dissolved in water)
40 minutes later drink 25g SN

Variant 2
Antimetics only
40 minutes later, dissolve 25 g SN + 2 g propranolol together in water and drink.

What happens if I vomit, then SN + propranolol again or just a second cup of SN?

I have seen that there are also different propranolol, long-acting etc..

I would not do Variant 1 as you want to drink SN in an empty stomach. If you vomit, you want a second drink SN + Propranolol ideally. You want the short acting Propranolol.

 

[Acritarch]

I would not do Variant 1 as you want to drink SN in an empty stomach. If you vomit, you want a second drink SN + Propranolol ideally. You want the short acting Propranolol.

So variant 2?
25g SN + 2 propranolol

If you vomit, just take another cup of SN without propranolol, right?

Too much would lead to vomiting again.

 

[inevitable31]

Hello. I have two questions.
Will benzos have enough time to knock me out? It does take xanax up to one hour to actually work and on an empty stomach not on a stomach filled with sn. How much water can I drink with xanax? It is a lot of tablets!
metoclopramide is a prokinetic that does block dopamine. So it should be avoided?

 

[007Bob]

Hello. I have two questions.
Will benzos have enough time to knock me out? It does take xanax up to one hour to actually work and on an empty stomach not on a stomach filled with sn. How much water can I drink with xanax? It is a lot of tablets!
metoclopramide is a prokinetic that does block dopamine. So it should be avoided?

That's fair questions. These are recommendations taken from the PPH book. I've seen on this forum people recommending to take benzos (in small quantity like 1 or 2 pills) 40 min before the SN. It makes sense because I think benzos won't have enough time to knock out. An alternative is to take morphine. Apparently (according to Wiki Suicide), the AE to take with SN is metoclopramide because it blocks dopamine. Why do you think it should be avoided?

 

[inevitable31]

Thank you for your answer. Do we have a copy of the PPH book? It doesn t make sense to take benzos after the SN. Sn will knock me out (20 minutes according to some posts) prior to benzos knocking me out. Xanax changes brain chemistry by releasing higher amounts of dopamine. And meto blocks dopamine. It is not easy for me to find morphine and xanax is the only benzo I can find. The goal is a most peaceful death. I just want to sleep and never wake up.

 

[007Bob]

Thank you for your answer. Do we have a copy of the PPH book? It doesn t make sense to take benzos after the SN. Sn will knock me out (20 minutes according to some posts) prior to benzos knocking me out. Xanax changes brain chemistry by releasing higher amounts of dopamine. And meto blocks dopamine. It is not easy for me to find morphine and xanax is the only benzo I can find. The goal is a most peaceful death. I just want to sleep and never wake up.

Thank you for your answer. PM me.

Thank you for your answer. Do we have a copy of the PPH book? It doesn t make sense to take benzos after the SN. Sn will knock me out (20 minutes according to some posts) prior to benzos knocking me out. Xanax changes brain chemistry by releasing higher amounts of dopamine. And meto blocks dopamine. It is not easy for me to find morphine and xanax is the only benzo I can find. The goal is a most peaceful death. I just want to sleep and never wake up.

Here is the link to the PPH book: https://store1.gofile.io/download/w...ilip_Nitscjke_and_Fiona_Stewart_z-lib.org.pdf

Thank you for your answer. Do we have a copy of the PPH book? It doesn t make sense to take benzos after the SN. Sn will knock me out (20 minutes according to some posts) prior to benzos knocking me out. Xanax changes brain chemistry by releasing higher amounts of dopamine. And meto blocks dopamine. It is not easy for me to find morphine and xanax is the only benzo I can find. The goal is a most peaceful death. I just want to sleep and never wake up.

I attach here the SN protocol from the PPH book. As you can see, the Reco here is benzos after the SN.

Thank you for your answer. Do we have a copy of the PPH book? It doesn t make sense to take benzos after the SN. Sn will knock me out (20 minutes according to some posts) prior to benzos knocking me out. Xanax changes brain chemistry by releasing higher amounts of dopamine. And meto blocks dopamine. It is not easy for me to find morphine and xanax is the only benzo I can find. The goal is a most peaceful death. I just want to sleep and never wake up.

It's a good question. My thought is that one can imagine that meto blocks dopamine to prevent vomiting and that benzos release dopamine to have a smoother death. Now, it's maybe a non-sense. But what should we do? The use of AE is recommended to prevent vomiting but meto makes you feel down by blocking dopamine. What are your thoughts?

 

[Acritarch]

I have read a lot of information about the SN protocol today.

Only 2 things are really important.
A really good SN and antimetics (meto, domperidone and others listed)

You shouldn't take too many different medications as each additional medication increases the risk of nausea and vomiting.
The most important thing is to avoid or delay vomiting and keep at least a second cup of SN handy.

I read in Stan's guide that you should drink another SN if you vomit within 10 minutes.
Otherwise, you probably don't need another cup because your body has already absorbed enough SN.

With a good SN, you'll pass out within 13 minutes and after about 20 minutes you'll be unconscious.
With the additional intake of benzos, you'll pass out after about 15 to 20 minutes.
So the benzos are not really necessary.
That may make sense if you only have an SN of 95%, but with an SN of 98-99% I don't think benzos are necessary afterwards.

If I did, I would take 1-2 benzos beforehand along with the antimetic to calm me down.

You don't need painkillers either, they also say you should either take only benzos or only painkillers as both together can trigger vomiting again.

Unfortunately, we have no insight into the new PPH 2024
If the new PPH 2024 says that you can take 25g SN + 2g propranolol, then this will probably be faster.
The only question is whether you might pass out so quickly that you don't notice the vomiting and therefore vomit too much SN.

Unfortunately, there is no information on this.



What else is important.
The table with the weight information for the SN is no longer correct.
How many g should someone who weighs 50 kg or less take?
Also 25g or less?
Is there no current table?

 

[wyo777]

I have read a lot of information about the SN protocol today.

Only 2 things are really important.
A really good SN and antimetics (meto, domperidone and others listed)

You shouldn't take too many different medications as each additional medication increases the risk of nausea and vomiting.
The most important thing is to avoid or delay vomiting and keep at least a second cup of SN handy.

I read in Stan's guide that you should drink another SN if you vomit within 10 minutes.
Otherwise, you probably don't need another cup because your body has already absorbed enough SN.

With a good SN, you'll pass out within 13 minutes and after about 20 minutes you'll be unconscious.
With the additional intake of benzos, you'll pass out after about 15 to 20 minutes.
So the benzos are not really necessary.
That may make sense if you only have an SN of 95%, but with an SN of 98-99% I don't think benzos are necessary afterwards.

If I did, I would take 1-2 benzos beforehand along with the antimetic to calm me down.

You don't need painkillers either, they also say you should either take only benzos or only painkillers as both together can trigger vomiting again.

Unfortunately, we have no insight into the new PPH 2024
If the new PPH 2024 says that you can take 25g SN + 2g propranolol, then this will probably be faster.
The only question is whether you might pass out so quickly that you don't notice the vomiting and therefore vomit too much SN.

Unfortunately, there is no information on this.



What else is important.
The table with the weight information for the SN is no longer correct.
How many g should someone who weighs 50 kg or less take?
Also 25g or less?
Is there no current table?

It is not just about a math, purity of SN, benzos etc. Everyone of us got different body. This is not an anesthetic that can be measured with precision , and even there sometimes dose must be increased. Thanks to people threads we got some basic knowledge and mostly You are correct but an outcome for each of us can be different.

 

[darkSea]

If someone takes benzos to go unconscious, and then vomits up the SN with unconscious, mission failed because there's no going for that 2nd SN drink, right? So I'm wondering if it's a choice between benzos and a 2nd drink.

 

[007Bob]

If someone takes benzos to go unconscious, and then vomits up the SN with unconscious, mission failed because there's no going for that 2nd SN drink, right? So I'm wondering if it's a choice between benzos and a 2nd drink.

It's fair point. Are benzos really necessary? It's recommended to take the benzos after the SN drink. The SN will knock you out in 15 minutes and it takes 30 minutes for the benzos to produce an effect.

 

[Onelegman]

If someone takes benzos to go unconscious, and then vomits up the SN with unconscious, mission failed because there's no going for that 2nd SN drink, right? So I'm wondering if it's a choice between benzos and a 2nd drink.

Depending on which benzos and how much, you can fall asleep, but it is difficult to throw up in your sleep and not wake up.
If you take few benzos and you are not used to it, you will get sleepy, but you will wake up when you vomit, if you don't it is because SN has already made you unconscious after falling asleep.
That is why the dose is important, obviously if you take 20 mg of a strong benzo, yes, you will not have the opportunity for a 2nd dose, but if you can try 1 or 2 and notice that it leaves you relaxed and somewhat sleepy, it will not happen what you fear

I'm really looking forward to CTB, because someone authorized will record the process with all possible details, so that doubts like this become less and less frequent.

 

[darkSea]

It's fair point. Are benzos really necessary? It's recommended to take the benzos after the SN drink. The SN will knock you out in 15 minutes and it takes 30 minutes for the benzos to produce an effect.

That's a good point also. I wasn't aware that the PPeH recommends benzos after the SN drink. I thought incorrectly it was before (I'm still in early stages of ironing out my protocol). I will definitely be taking at least some benzos at least an hour or two prior to SN, for nerves. I thought I could drink a LOT of them (crushed and mixed up), about 10-15 minutes before SN.

Maybe taking benzos after SN does make sense though, so I am awake enough to down a 2nd drink. And even though, as you say, SN causes unconsciousness, I'd rather be on the safe side of being very relaxed (and definitely not aware), just in case for some reason unconsciousness takes longer, and to avoid any unpleasantness even while unresponsive. Benzos after might not do anything, but I don't see that they'd hurt

Depending on which benzos and how much, you can fall asleep, but it is difficult to throw up in your sleep and not wake up.
If you take few benzos and you are not used to it, you will get sleepy, but you will wake up when you vomit, if you don't it is because SN has already made you unconscious after falling asleep.
That is why the dose is important, obviously if you take 20 mg of a strong benzo, yes, you will not have the opportunity for a 2nd dose, but if you can try 1 or 2 and notice that it leaves you relaxed and somewhat sleepy, it will not happen what you fear

I'm really looking forward to CTB, because someone authorized will record the process with all possible details, so that doubts like this become less and less frequent.

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I was thinking of taking 50 mg of Ativan (a whole lot), but now I'm settling more on a few beforehand, and maybe a lot after I take the SN, so there is still time to down a 2nd drink before the Ativan knocks me out.

 

[Onelegman]

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I was thinking of taking 50 mg of Ativan (a whole lot), but now I'm settling more on a few beforehand, and maybe a lot after I take the SN, so there is still time to down a 2nd drink before the Ativan knocks me out.

I'll give you a little information.
I take 2 mg of lorazepam a day, 1 mg every 12 hours, and at night, along with lorazepam, 10 mg of zolpidem (hypnotic or sleeping pill)
Well, under normal conditions, it takes about 2 hours to make me sleepy (mainly due to the zolpidem, the benzo no longer makes me sleepy like when I started taking it years ago)
Recently I had a very light dinner, I waited a few hours for my stomach to be almost empty and crushed the 2 pills at night, in 40 minutes I felt sleepy, it's probably not like Ativan, but I noticed that if I went to sleep, I would fall asleep without effort .

And now let's think about CTB, our stomach will be completely empty after fasting, so I understand that it will take effect in 40 minutes or even less. That's why it's important to test before, but I understand that not everyone can experience when it has taken you 3 months to get the benzos in a non-legitimate way and you can't get any more.

Yes, the guides indicate drinking benzos afterwards, but for me it is absurd, they will take effect after SN, it doesn't help me, I prefer to be calm and willing to sleep when I drink the poison. That's my reasoning.

I will take 3 benzo pills and 1 sleeping pill 1 hour before along with paracetamol and antiemetics, I don't want to have anything in my stomach when I drink NS. Damn paracetamol looks like a suppository lol

 

[007Bob]

I'll give you a little information.
I take 2 mg of lorazepam a day, 1 mg every 12 hours, and at night, along with lorazepam, 10 mg of zolpidem (hypnotic or sleeping pill)
Well, under normal conditions, it takes about 2 hours to make me sleepy (mainly due to the zolpidem, the benzo no longer makes me sleepy like when I started taking it years ago)
Recently I had a very light dinner, I waited a few hours for my stomach to be almost empty and crushed the 2 pills at night, in 40 minutes I felt sleepy, it's probably not like Ativan, but I noticed that if I went to sleep, I would fall asleep without effort .

And now let's think about CTB, our stomach will be completely empty after fasting, so I understand that it will take effect in 40 minutes or even less. That's why it's important to test before, but I understand that not everyone can experience when it has taken you 3 months to get the benzos in a non-legitimate way and you can't get any more.

Yes, the guides indicate drinking benzos afterwards, but for me it is absurd, they will take effect after SN, it doesn't help me, I prefer to be calm and willing to sleep when I drink the poison. That's my reasoning.

I will take 3 benzo pills and 1 sleeping pill 1 hour before along with paracetamol and antiemetics, I don't want to have anything in my stomach when I drink NS. Damn paracetamol looks like a suppository lol

"Damn paracetamol looks like a suppository lol"

 

[inevitable31]

Yes I know, when taken as I mentioned above With the anti emetics Before the SN. There are different ways and therefore different amounts according to the regime.

And you've mixed it up.
800 mg P was reduced to 400 mg when taken WITH the anti emetics BEFORE the SN/ water mix.
The 2 g of P to potentiate the SN has never been "reduced"...
Read carefully.

Hello! Can you provide me with a link of the video that is mentioned before?
Also I found this
and this
and finally this