Discussion Serious take on SN fails

[Samael96]

I wanna open this discussion since i am planning on ctb in a few days with SN: so far, by reading many goodbye threads, there have been people that failed the attempt and woke up as nothing with no reported damage. I am of course talking about cases that did not end up hospitalized but simply passed out in their home, woke up after x amount of time and felt just dizzy and that's all.
Now i am starting to read many people actually scared of failing SN with some brain damage that would stop them from going again, and that honestly started to worry me to.

Like i said, i read a bunch of goodbye threads in the past where the person simply woke up with no serious side effect, am i the only one that found those?
It had me thinking so i wanted to research a little:
-there is a case that happened in Italy 1 year ago where a boy added SN to a pasta and salmon meal to kill his parents. His father ate it all and, quoting what the press reported, died after 2 hours. Keeping this story in mind, seems like even without fasting and following the protocol you can "easily" die. The amount of SN used is not reported and of course nobody knows the amount assumed ingested.
-on this case "Survival after self-poisoning" a guy survived as quoted: "Patient reported ingesting 2 teaspoons of sodium nitrite he obtained from Walmart.com 6 hours before presentation in an attempt to end his life. The patient reported losing consciousness after ingestion and waking up in his own vomit and feces. He felt confused and called EMS. In the emergency department (ED), the patient acknowledged nausea, vomiting, and bowel incontinence". 2 things that catch the eye are "2 teaspoons" that should be aprox. 10gr(?), so probably not enough, and that he had marijuana; there was also a guy in a thread not too long ago that took SN, from IC, with marijuana and woke up as nothing, so maybe weed has some bad effect on SN?

Now i'd love to hear, by posting evidence and links, people that have failed SN with some permanent damage and people that have failed with no damage at all.

There are other threads that i clearly remember for example a guy that went out in the woods with SN, posted a picture of him puking, and never heard of him again.
So yeah puking could make you fail, but i don't see any "fail=brain damage you are fucked" proof so far.. that's why i'd love to collect as much info as i can to be sure i might have a second chance if i fail.

 

[freelifexit]

From post "SN Successful and Unsuccessful":

Jen0804: SN mixed with orange juice. After effects – alopecia, hair started coming out within that same week and continued until June. It's slowly growing back now, periods stopped completely so I believe it can mess up hormones/endocrine - not sure about long term fertility or male fertility etc., immediately after taking it and the whole two weeks after, my kidneys and bowels just weren't functioning, also couldn't feel hunger. I ate an apple and two bites of a hospital sandwich for a whole week or so (drank as normal) but I was so not hungry.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-poisoning-consequences.89874/

 

[Samael96]

From post "SN Successful and Unsuccessful":

Jen0804: SN mixed with orange juice. After effects – alopecia, hair started coming out within that same week and continued until June. It's slowly growing back now, periods stopped completely so I believe it can mess up hormones/endocrine - not sure about long term fertility or male fertility etc., immediately after taking it and the whole two weeks after, my kidneys and bowels just weren't functioning, also couldn't feel hunger. I ate an apple and two bites of a hospital sandwich for a whole week or so (drank as normal) but I was so not hungry.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-poisoning-consequences.89874/

Seems like you got quite famous my man: i checked not only that thread, but threads that those people that claimed you are spreading fear linked, and i gotta say you got some balls for showing around.

Just to be clear to everyone that is reading, seems like this guy is not only spreading false info about SN but is also somewhat discouraging the use by "translating" some articles that seemingly are not even talking about SN.

That being said thank you for making me wary of you, so nice of you

 

[freelifexit]

Just to be clear to everyone that is reading, seems like this guy is not only spreading false info about SN but is also somewhat discouraging the use by "translating" some articles that seemingly are not even talking about SN.

I think you're accusing me without checking the facts, not very smart of you. You can translate the articles yourself if you do not believe my translation.

Links to articles that mentioned in the post:
1st link (pages 5,6)
2nd link (page 1)

 

[Mofreeko]

Seems like you got quite famous my man: i checked not only that thread, but threads that those people that claimed you are spreading fear linked, and i gotta say you got some balls for showing around.

Just to be clear to everyone that is reading, seems like this guy is not only spreading false info about SN but is also somewhat discouraging the use by "translating" some articles that seemingly are not even talking about SN.

That being said thank you for making me wary of you, so nice of you

The sooner you set freelifexit to ignored the happier you'll be. Anyway, someone compiled a list of all the SN failures he could find and put them in a google doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OKnH260kpVBA9_o3_hpvmLW5sdhemQ-d8GC9GwTP2i8/edit I don't think any of them have reported brain damage but I doubt a severely brain damaged person would be willing or able to report on it so it's no 100% guarantee it can't happen.

 

[eternal_life]

SN is very popular because it is cheap and relatively easy to get. It doesn't seem too painful, but I'm also worried that perhaps it's not effective and has serious side effects, as people here who have claimed they tried CTB with SN, or ended up hospitalized, have attested to.

There are users who supposedly got CTB with SN, but we can't be 100% sure that they got it, maybe they just never came back. A person who ends up in the hospital, or with brain damage after took SN, it is logical to think that he will not return to the forum. This method also generates doubts for me, if one day I decide to CTB.

 

[Samael96]

The sooner you set freelifexit to ignored the happier you'll be. Anyway, someone compiled a list of all the SN failures he could find and put them in a google doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OKnH260kpVBA9_o3_hpvmLW5sdhemQ-d8GC9GwTP2i8/edit I don't think any of them have reported brain damage but I doubt a severely brain damaged person would be willing or able to report on it so it's no 100% guarantee it can't happen.

i have actually seen that doc but it's really chaotic, info spread across columns like that is not really helpful.
About the brain damage, as @Judy Garland said, we talking about less oxygen transferred and the brain seems to work even with a 30% level of oxygen. I am stating what i read and found of course, but doesn't it actually rise a question to why then actual media didn't spread the info that SN causes brain damage? That for sure would have stopped people from using it. And even here people that failed, and did not get hospitalized, said that they did recover as normal when they woke up

 

[freelifexit]

The sooner you set freelifexit to ignored the happier you'll be.

To be even happier, you can generally ignore all the unpleasant information, even the one on which your health depends. Very smart strategy.

 

[Mary5689]

I have already read so many topics about this method and I think that sn is very effective. Regarding brain damage, there was only one article about a girl, but she died two days later. Look how many here are those who survived after sn and everything is in full with them You don't have to worry, really. If you stick to the method manual, I think the success is very high. My friend died this month from sn.
She took 13g and no pills, also eating pizza two hours before sn. Her act was impulsive, but she died in the hospital that evening. Personally, I prefer this method and will leave with it. Based on the experience of those who tried this method I think that sn is a peaceful and fast way. Someone may think otherwise, I just wrote my opinion

 

[Mofreeko]

i have actually seen that doc but it's really chaotic, info spread across columns like that is not really helpful.
About the brain damage, as @Judy Garland said, we talking about less oxygen transferred and the brain seems to work even with a 30% level of oxygen. I am stating what i read and found of course, but doesn't it actually rise a question to why then actual media didn't spread the info that SN causes brain damage? That for sure would have stopped people from using it. And even here people that failed, and did not get hospitalized, said that they did recover as normal when they woke up

At around 50% oxygen saturation you'd most likely be unconscious. It seems to me that you either get enough SN into your blood to get to the point of no return (without being found) or you don't and your body recovers its oxygen levels on its own. By all accounts it doesn't seem your body could get to a state of severe brain damage from SN poisoning and then recover on its own, but I'm not saying it could be impossible either. We all just have to do the best we can with the research and knowledge available to us and unfortunately the lion's share of that info is from strangers on the internet.

 

[Mary5689]

To be even happier, you can generally ignore all the unpleasant information, even the one on which your health depends. Very smart strategy.

When did you manage to scare people so much about the consequences of this method? But seriously, any method has a failure rate. But this method has a low

 

[Samael96]

I have already read so many topics about this method and I think that sn is very effective. Regarding brain damage, there was only one article about a girl, but she died two days later. Look how many here are those who survived after sn and everything is in full with them You don't have to worry, really. If you stick to the method manual, I think the success is very high. My friend died this month from sn.
She took 13g and no pills, also eating pizza two hours before sn. Her act was impulsive, but she died in the hospital that evening. Personally, I prefer this method and will leave with it. Based on the experience of those who tried this method I think that sn is a peaceful and fast way. Someone may think otherwise, I just wrote my opinion

Exactly! That's the same i said with the article of the italian boy killing his father, man ate a whole meal of pasta and SN and died 2 hrs after. I don't know the details, if he puked etc, put that gives a huge hint on how toxic the poison is! We might even say that it's better to take it while eating to lessen the "final moments discomfort".. Can i ask you some questions about that friend? Like, died of 13g do you know how much did she weight? How long has passed before she died? She got hospitalized cause someone called ER or she did? Has she had any health issues that could have made SN "impact" better? Has she given you any info on how she was feeling?

Sorry to make so many questions, but i just want to figure how it impacts on each circumstance.

At around 50% oxygen saturation you'd most likely be unconscious. It seems to me that you either get enough SN into your blood to get to the point of no return (without being found) or you don't and your body recovers its oxygen levels on its own. By all accounts it doesn't seem your body could get to a state of severe brain damage from SN poisoning and then recover on its own, but I'm not saying it could be impossible either. We all just have to do the best we can with the research and knowledge available to us and unfortunately the lion's share of that info is from strangers on the internet.

Yeah true, i have that feeling too as seems like somehow if you don't die the oxygen levels re-establish.

 

[freelifexit]

When did you manage to scare people so much about the consequences of this method? But seriously, any method has a failure rate. But this method has a low

People got scared when I translated two medical articles, and still don't want to believe in them. Unfortunately, it is easier to hide from the unpleasant truth than to accept it.

 

[James777]

Wait I'm a bit confused right now Sn kills you by lowering blood O2, that can cause brain damage so how do I ensure this dosent happen.

 

[Jrmull1993]

Wait I'm a bit confused right now Sn kills you by lowering blood O2, that can cause brain damage so how do I ensure this dosent happen.

You can't. See the below linked thread, there is already one on this very topic.

Thread 'SN And Brain Damage' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-and-brain-damage.97221/

 

[Mary5689]

Exactly! That's the same i said with the article of the italian boy killing his father, man ate a whole meal of pasta and SN and died 2 hrs after. I don't know the details, if he puked etc, put that gives a huge hint on how toxic the poison is! We might even say that it's better to take it while eating to lessen the "final moments discomfort".. Can i ask you some questions about that friend? Like, died of 13g do you know how much did she weight? How long has passed before she died? She got hospitalized cause someone called ER or she did? Has she had any health issues that could have made SN "impact" better? Has she given you any info on how she was feeling?

Sorry to make so many questions, but i just want to figure how it impacts on each circumstance.

Yeah true, i have that feeling too as seems like somehow if you don't die the oxygen levels re-establish.

Yes, of course, I will answer all questions)
That evening we were sitting in a cafe and she said that she was ready for suicide today. My friend explained in detail all her actions, so I know how many grams she drank.

At 22:00 she was already at home.
And at 02:00 she died in the hospital.

I learned about the time of her death from her boyfriend the next day.

1) Her weight was 85 kg
2) She didn't take any pills
3) She drank 13 g of sn on a full stomach
4) She had kidney problems,cancer (I don't know exactly what kind of cancer), but her tumor grew slowly. The doctor told her that she would live easily for another 10 years. She did not die of cancer. Yes, she had pain, she vomited every day due to chemotherapy. She did not drink drugs for cancer (for example, morphine) in the last month, because there was no money.
5) I don't know exactly at what time she took sn.But I think she died quickly.
6) Only sn killed her, because she had a strong body and she even worked

Yes, of course, I will answer all questions)
That evening we were sitting in a cafe and she said that she was ready for suicide today. My friend explained in detail all her actions, so I know how many grams she drank.

At 22:00 she was already at home.
And at 02:00 she died in the hospital.

I learned about the time of her death from her boyfriend the next day.

1) Her weight was 85 kg
2) She didn't take any pills
3) She drank 13 g of sn on a full stomach
4) She had kidney problems, stomach cancer (I don't know exactly what kind of cancer), but her tumor grew slowly. The doctor told her that she would live easily for another 10 years. She did not die of cancer. Yes, she had pain, she vomited every day due to chemotherapy. She did not drink drugs for cancer (for example, morphine) in the last month, because there was no money.
5) I don't know exactly at what time she took sn.But I think she died quickly.
6) Only sn killed her, because she had a strong body and she even worked

7) Her boyfriend called an ambulance
8) She knew how to control vomiting (but I think she would have vomited anyway)

9) Has she had any health issues that could have made SN "impact" better?- NO

Please do not take sn on a full stomach, do at least 8 hours of fasting. This will increase your chances of success. Stick to the guide to the method. I understand that some people are lucky to die just taking sn, but suddenly you will have bad luck because you ate and sn could not dissolve completely in your stomach