Scared to go to hell or reincarnation - Anyone else?

[KleinerWolf]

Im atheist

Am I the only one here who doesn't care about hell, afterlife nor reincarnation?
Because in my opinion my next life makes no relevance to my current one,

I am only me in this life, if this life of mine is fucked up,
Next life won't be me anyway,

it won't matter what I want differently in my next life
It won't matter if my consciousness exists

because I won't be me anymore

spiritual learning for what?

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

Im atheist

Am I the only one here who doesn't care about hell, afterlife nor reincarnation?
Because in my opinion my next life makes no relevance to my current one.

I'm an atheist too. I don't believe in god or in the afterlife. Any use of Christian imagery in my signature or my posts is mostly ironic.

That said, a lot people on this site do hold some form of Judeo-Christian belief, so I accommodate my writing accordingly.

 

[KleinerWolf]

I'm an atheist too. I don't believe in god or in the afterlife. Any use of Christian imagery in my signature or my posts is mostly ironic.

That said, a lot people on this site do hold some form of Judeo-Christian belief, so I accommodate my writing accordingly.

I think it's best to make this life work somehow.
I don't believe in anything else other than "brain-dead"
That will be my downfall if I'm unable to fix my life...

I hope everyone won't have to resort to ctb,
But then again I imagine how good it feels to have peace and contentment.

 

[Evermore]

I'm not religious I just fear the unknown . Maybe there is a heaven and a hell , maybe we do get reincarnated or maybe there's nothing at all . The theories on what happens after death are endless . I do lean more towards the spiritual belief of soul contracts and reincarnation etc . I can't know that for sure but it still scares me ...I don't want to be reincarnated .

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

I hope everyone won't have to resort to ctb,
But then again I imagine how good it feels to have peace and contentment.

This sound like the Jewish afterlife: the Sheol, rendered as "sheh-HOLE" in the original Hebrew. It means "a place where nothing happens". It's definitely a lot better than the world we live in. For the most part, Judaism doesn't recognize an afterlife.

There's only a brief reference to the Sheol in the Old Testament, not sure which book. Most Jews embrace a "we don't know" mindset, when it comes to what happens after we die. The notion of a painful, miserable hell is a later invention, developed after Christianity came about.

 

[KleinerWolf]

This sound like the Jewish afterlife: the Sheol, rendered as "sheh-HOLE" in the original Hebrew. It means "a place where nothing happens". It's definitely a lot better than the world we live in. For the most part, Judaism doesn't recognize an afterlife.

There's only a brief reference to the Sheol in the Old Testament, not sure which book. Most Jews embrace a "we don't know" mindset, when it comes to what happens after we die. The notion of a painful, miserable hell is a later invention, developed after Christianity came about.

interesting notion.

 

[Notwinnernotawin]

If God is as merciful and loving as we're conditioned to think, He would never send someone who took their life to hell. He would embrace a soul that's in so much pain, not punish them.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

If God is as merciful and loving as we're conditioned to think, He would never send someone who took their life to hell. He would embrace a soul that's in so much pain, not punish them.

God's mercy is very very questionable. Just read the book of Job. [rhymes with "strobe"] He authorized Satan to torture Job is the most unspeakable ways, up to and including killing his entire family, just to test his faith. Also, according to Judeo-Christian beliefs, god never gives you more suffering than he knows you can handle. So if you CTB, you're going against god's choice for you and therefore committing the most grievous of sins. Which makes you deserving of hell, both according to god and the pro-lifers.

In the book, Job passes the tests and doesn't lose faith, despite getting angry at god. God reacts by gaslighting Job into believing he was wrong for getting angry. Well, there's a "happy" ending, at least: God returns the favor by restoring everything Satan took away. But real life doesn't work like that. (Also, when that book was written, the Christian concept of hell didn't exist yet.) In fact, the book of Job inspired my signature/tagline.

 

[Huntfish34]

I'm with you on this one Angel, big time.
Thank you Very much for posting this. - I myself worry about this a lot being a Christian / Catholic..... The mere thought of Heaven / Hell/ unknowns.... Is Always in my mind and makes me nervous as fuck honestly. I certainly respect all other views and perspectives on the subject , this is just my .02 worth with the whole deal. God Bless you all, take care.

I'm with you on this one Angel, big time.
Thank you Very much for posting this. - I myself worry about this a lot being a Christian / Catholic..... The mere thought of Heaven / Hell/ unknowns.... Is Always in my mind and makes me nervous as fuck honestly. I certainly respect all other views and perspectives on the subject , this is just my .02 worth with the whole deal. God Bless you all, take care.

Thank you for sharing that MyState... Great words / way to look at it.

I'm with you on this one Angel, big time.
Thank you Very much for posting this. - I myself worry about this a lot being a Christian / Catholic..... The mere thought of Heaven / Hell/ unknowns.... Is Always in my mind and makes me nervous as fuck honestly. I certainly respect all other views and perspectives on the subject , this is just my .02 worth with the whole deal. God Bless you all, take care.

Thank you for sharing that MyState... Great words / way to look at it.

I'm with you on this one Angel, big time.
Thank you Very much for posting this. - I myself worry about this a lot being a Christian / Catholic..... The mere thought of Heaven / Hell/ unknowns.... Is Always in my mind and makes me nervous as fuck honestly. I certainly respect all other views and perspectives on the subject , this is just my .02 worth with the whole deal. God Bless you all, take care.


Thank you for sharing that MyState... Great words / way to look at it.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

I myself worry about this a lot being a Christian / Catholic..... The mere thought of Heaven / Hell/ unknowns.... Is Always in my mind and makes me nervous as fuck honestly. I certainly respect all other views and perspectives on the subject , this is just my .02 worth with the whole deal. God Bless you all, take care.

Thank you for sharing that MyState... Great words / way to look at it.

Look at it this way. Let's say hell does exist. Per the Christian indoctrination, it's a lake of fire. And I'm aware of the soul concept. So let's take it and run with it. It's hot. It's uncomfortable. But... you (generic "you") don't have a physical body at that point. It's just your soul there. The pain receptors that cause the fire to be painful stay in the cemetery with the body. So you're not going to actually feel the pain from the heat. Allegedly, the soul is still capable of feeling emotions.

But how bad is it to swim in a lake of fire, when you can't actually feel pain from it? Even if the soul retains the physical body's five senses, it's more unpleasant than truly painful. After all, "sin" is very subjective. According to Evangelical Christianity (think of Chick Tracts, those preachy little booklets), even a murderer can get into heaven by the grace of god, by accepting Jesus as his savior. Just saying. And to inject my personal circumstances into this, I won't have to practice social distancing with the other "sinners" there. (I joined this site because of the quarantine and the social distancing laws, due to the politicians' overhyped Corona Flu.)

The reason a lake of fire is so unnerving to people is because they project the physical body sensation of it onto their soul. When in fact, a soul isn't much different than Casper the Friendly Ghost. It's incapable of physical sensations, including pain from the heat.

 

[Notwinnernotawin]

God's mercy is very very questionable. Just read the book of Job. [rhymes with "strobe"] He authorized Satan to torture Job is the most unspeakable ways, up to and including killing his entire family, just to test his faith. Also, according to Judeo-Christian beliefs, god never gives you more suffering than he knows you can handle. So if you CTB, you're going against god's choice for you and therefore committing the most grievous of sins. Which makes you deserving of hell, both according to god and the pro-lifers.

In the book, Job passes the tests and doesn't lose faith, despite getting angry at god. God reacts by gaslighting Job into believing he was wrong for getting angry. Well, there's a "happy" ending, at least: God returns the favor by restoring everything Satan took away. But real life doesn't work like that. (Also, when that book was written, the Christian concept of hell didn't exist yet.) In fact, the book of Job inspired my signature/tagline.

I've been going to an evangelical church for a while. I like how they believe that He doesn't act the same way He did in the old testament, because Jesus died to save us. So we've been justified.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

I've been going to an evangelical church for a while. I like how they believe that He doesn't act the same way He did in the old testament, because Jesus died to save us. So we've been justified.

Well... I'm an atheist, so this wouldn't really apply to me. But I do believe that a person named Jesus did live at one point, and that the Gospels about him are mostly true. Although, events like walking on Lake Galilee and turning water into wine were probably mundane real-life situations that made it into the Gospels as miracles, due to how the onlookers interpreted them.

 

[Ange_Fatigue]

Do you believe in that you have "free will" because if we are not free there isnt much sense in punishing is there?

Being born with good or bad heart is not up to me really, or lets say I was born stupid and made some really bad choices then what? Can we reconcile the idea of all knowing Creator with the idea of punishment and free will?

Maybe before incarnation, using our free will we planed our earth life events. Then we incarnate and have to experience it.
Free will in our present life is an illusion (kind of weird, but indeed I think Spinoza was right about it).

So we might have free will (in another plane of existence) but not on earth.

 

[Alec]

I find it incredibly hard to believe a god that literally knows everything would force its creation to suffer so much that it actually wants to end its own life, only to punish its creation for doing so despite the god being in control of everything. hell sounds like it would be scary and all but i'm not convinced it's a real thing.

Fully agree with this.
And I want to add, it's absolutely ridiculous that petiole can find this combination of suicide and religious to be weird in any way. And I want to say, you are valid, your feelings are valid and your beliefs are valid, and its real.
And I don't think God would punish us with hell, especially for suicide. I think God is smarter and better than that. God is definitely smarter than that. I love you, and I think you don't deserve to go to hell.

Love,
—Alec.

 

[DJ2000]

Hey. I never really post I just read a lot on here so I am sorry if this post isnt appropriate or offensive or just annoying. I am also sorry if I don't make any sense.

I'm religious which I am always nervous to say cause some people think it's impossible to be religious and still want to end my life. I was wondering if anyone else here is religious and/or fears Hell or reincarnation or anything except for going to Heaven. I just want to be in Heaven I cant keep doing this I hope my method works but so scared to go anywhere but Heaven if it does work. Anyone relate? What are your thoughts Thank you for taking the time to read this

Hell was made up by Christians. The Jews don't believe in hell. Orthodox Jews believe in a place called "Gehena," but you can only go to Gehena for up to a year before being reincarnated.

The Old Testament itself only refers to a place called "Sheol, " which everyone is supposed to go to, and where you basically are just asleep forever. (This is what Karaite Jews believe)

 

[peabs]

Do you believe in that you have "free will" because if we are not free there isnt much sense in punishing is there?

Being born with good or bad heart is not up to me really, or lets say I was born stupid and made some really bad choices then what? Can we reconcile the idea of all knowing Creator with the idea of punishment and free will?

Sigh. I almost added to my post that respectfully, I don't want to debate this here. So (respectfully) I won't be debating this.

 

[mr nobody]

I don't understand why one would believe that consciousness could possibly continue once the brain ceases to function. We know for a fact that our consciousness is a product of specific parts of our brain. Furthermore, we can alter consciousness purposely with drugs, cease consciousness (temporarily) with anesthesia, and we see the drastic effects of brain damage to individuals. Our consciousness is our interpretation of the world through our senses, coupled with our ability to be aware of it.

I had an attempt a few weeks ago via CO poisoning, and I completely lost consciousness to the point of my heart almost stopping. I came pretty close to death and I can assure you that I was completely unaware of it. I did not feel a thing until I woke up in the hospital. Once the brain stops functioning, your consciousness is gone.

 

[KleinerWolf]

I don't understand why one would believe that consciousness could possibly continue once the brain ceases to function. We know for a fact that our consciousness is a product of specific parts of our brain. Furthermore, we can alter consciousness purposely with drugs, cease consciousness (temporarily) with anesthesia, and we see the drastic effects of brain damage to individuals. Our consciousness is our interpretation of the world through our senses, coupled with our ability to be aware of it.

I had an attempt a few weeks ago via CO poisoning, and I completely lost consciousness to the point of my heart almost stopping. I came pretty close to death and I can assure you that I was completely unaware of it. I did not feel a thing until I woke up in the hospital. Once the brain stops functioning, your consciousness is gone.

I agree.
Human brain seems to be the most scientific reason why our consciousness exist.

We are lucky to have such complex organs as humans.
At the same time, I was disappointed to learn our existence no more than a sheer coincidence.

The whole thing gave me some insights actually.

 

[Moreofthesamepain]

Why be scared of what comes next? Were all going to die, no matter how we go. Life's greatest mystery is what is death. I have had experiences in my life that have convinced me some part of our energy does go on in some form. Some freaky things have happened around me on several occasions that I cannot scientificly or logically explain. Coincidence, maybe. But I've had 5+ experiences that i cannot rationally explain away. I know there is more, but i don't know for sure what that more is. No one does. I was raised to believe in God, and I do believe in both creation and evolution as compliments to each other. We were somehow created.. Choose your own philosophy. Are we sent to heaven or condemned to hell, i don't know. No one does which is why its called faith. I choose to believe we are sent where we deserve, no matter how we leave this life. Its how we've lived. This is a pretty interesting article though that speaks of our energy though.... https://www.askamathematician.com/2...rgy-within-our-bodies-and-brains-when-we-die/

 

[Pan]

Hell doesn't exist, but reincarnation seems, plausible, even desirable. With reincarnation, one could say, you emerge invigorated and ready to take on the next life, no matter what its' pitfalls. The French satirist philosopher Voltaire said it best—-"Of course I lived before, after all, I live NOW".

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

For me there is no hell or reincarnation. For me death is the nothingness. The same as before we were born. We just stop existing and that's all. I won't come back to this world again. That's my belief.

 

[WoodyOak]

I`ve thought about this numerous times and do believe there is more after death.
One thing I`ve always thought was strange was remembering my first thought.
I can`t remember anything before this, which makes me think at times that after death our souls go somewhere until we decide or someone else does that we reincarnate.
I can remember when I was 5, my mother dressing me for school but I saw it at the time and remember it now as someone on the outside looking at the scene of me getting ready for school, kind of like watching a movie but the movie is of me.

 

[Borabora]

I have given this much thought also. Oddly enough, I found out about a young man who ctb with gunshot to his head. He died. His Mother (a medical doctor) an atheist initially did not believe in an afterlife but through a medium began channeling her dead son ( E.M) from 'Heaven.' E.M. describes what happens in the afterlife, but also described in detail, what happened to him once he cbt. He said he did not feel pain and that the walls in his room appeared to 'disappear'. I linked the video from YouTube: Suicides and What Happens to Them After death.

Hope this is useful to anyone who is curious.

 

[LMLN]

Reincarnation feels like hell to me. I do not want to come back. Earth is hell.

 

[Iamnotperminant92]

I'm of the belief there's nothing inherently 'special' about death by suicide as opposed to an accidental death or death from sickness. The only connection suicide has to a difficult afterlife are that they can be both symptoms of something else within the persons belief systems. Just as a Christian might experience heaven differently from a Buddhist or Muslim. Someone living with fear/shame brings it with them.

I also believe that reincarnation is a choice, and Earth is only one of many choices. There are many spiritual/psychic/newage people that believe that this Earth is particularly 'special' in its complexity and difficulty. Some go even to say even if you die as a very young child that earthly experience is worth 'putting on the resumé' so to speak.

 

[SpareWheel]

Neither. I firmly believe when you're gone you're gone. I've never been religious so Hell means as much to me as Oz, and I don't think there's Snails slithering around out there lamenting their decision to kill themselves when they were in human form.

 

[niloc]

You'd think that 12 years of catholic schooling would somehow still have an effect on me. I've been out of high school for 22 years now and that past is long gone. I'm hoping simply for a black nothingness, but then again, if hell, heaven exists, it would certainly be a different experience. Fuck it, I'm game.

 

[StuckAF]

Hey. I never really post I just read a lot on here so I am sorry if this post isnt appropriate or offensive or just annoying. I am also sorry if I don't make any sense.

I'm religious which I am always nervous to say cause some people think it's impossible to be religious and still want to end my life. I was wondering if anyone else here is religious and/or fears Hell or reincarnation or anything except for going to Heaven. I just want to be in Heaven I cant keep doing this I hope my method works but so scared to go anywhere but Heaven if it does work. Anyone relate? What are your thoughts Thank you for taking the time to read this

I am scared of hell too... but reincarnation? Idk.. there is a chance for me to be someone else, someone that's not me.

 

[Walilamdzi]

I mean, I suppose the notion isn't nice but then I'm agnostic so don't really think this happens to people.

 

[Borabora]

I am scared of hell too... but reincarnation? Idk.. there is a chance for me to be someone else, someone that's not me.

I stumbled upon the concept of reincarnation when I was in high school. Yeah, it boggled my mind too. In case of interest, I attached the YouTube video link from Dr. Semkiw: Walter Semkiw, MD discusses Evidence of Reincarnation and the Purpose of Reincarnation