Roe vs. Wade overturned

[Lost in a Dream]

A small evangelical minority usurped decades of precedent for some perverse religious ideal that is completely divorced from reality. That's pretty fucked. How long until the American Inquisition?

Are they really a minority though? I thought fundamentalist Christians were still in the majority in the US. It seems to be the case that such people are the ones voting evangelical politicians into office as long as they ban abortion.

 

[savoytruffle]

what is going on in the world

 

[odradek]

Are they really a minority though? I thought fundamentalist Christians were still in the majority in the US. It seems to be the case that such people are the ones voting evangelical politicians into office as long as they ban abortion.

I would say that the US is definitely majority Christian but I don't think they're majority fundamentalist. I'm pretty sure over 50% self identify as pro-choice. I think it's over 60% who think Roe v. Wade should not be overturned.

The reason why those evangelical politicians get elected is not because the majority votes for them. It's because of the US's messed up electoral process and their right wing media which stokes the culture war like a maestro. Like Rhode Island and California both get 2 senators. It's bonkers but I digress.

It is my opinion that this decision very clearly outlines the minority rule going on there. But I could be wrong, again this is just my opinion.

 

[Lebensunwertes]

Doesn't concern me. Couldn't care less.

 

[hungry_ghost]

I think the most alarming conclusion someone drew from this was that this could be used in the future to give the government precedent to force vaccinate people.

They didn't suddenly do this because they care about babies and lives.

If that were the case, why didn't they do it throughout Trump's term? It would have set him up even more as a messiah/villain.

This was also done on an "occult" day (the date 6/24/2022 = 6/2+4=6/2+0+2+2=6 = 6/6/6) during a planet of alignment that hadn't occurred since 2003/4?

So yeah, this was planned, and just another way to generate loosh, because they knew the left would go ape shit, and the right would be ecstatic.

 

[onlyanimalsaregood]

It is very sad indeed. In these last times it seems that the world is becoming worse and worse. Only misfortunes. There are really so many bad people in this world.

 

[Ligottian]

Pro-lifers immediately lose interest in the fetus the moment it takes it's first breath outside the womb.

 

[tryingtoescape]

This sets a terrible precedent for the future. Everything we have considered for granted in the last few years, every step of progress we have made is up to debate again. This could involve discussions about womens rights, racial justice and minority protection. This is a very concerning development.

I can't believe we live in a world like this. This is dystopian.

 

[Someone123]

I can see both sides of thge issue. When I see all the pictures of bloody babies who were cut to pieces in the womb I can see why people would want to stop this.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

I can see both sides of thge issue. When I see all the pictures of bloody babies who were cut to pieces in the womb I can see why people would want to stop this.

I can kind of understand it too, since fetuses are incapable of consenting to anything that happens to them, unlike a fully grown adult who is able to consent to physician-assisted suicide. It would be nice if we lived in a world where abortions were unnecessary and our right to a dignified, and peaceful death could be respected at the same time, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

Personally, I feel like secular-minded people who are pro-life in regards to abortion have a much better case, since their desire to protect the unborn is based on humanistic ideas, rather than "cuz the sky dictator said so". It just sucks that they're vastly outnumbered by people who use the Bible to justify their position, even though the Bible fails to actually provide them with such a justification, since the Old Testament is plastered with instances of children, infants, and pregnant women being slaughtered with swords because the ancient Israelites were commanded to steal land from their neighbors by their leaders.

If the desire to protect life was motivated by empathy and compassion, then maybe we would see more pro-life people practicing what they preach by trying to come up with solutions that protect the unborn without violating women's bodily autonomy, such as building artificial wombs to transplant fetuses into during early stages of development. With technology like that readily available, we could Kyle XY this shit and abortions would become obsolete, removing any need for further debate.

 

[Sibyl Vane]

I can see both sides of thge issue. When I see all the pictures of bloody babies who were cut to pieces in the womb I can see why people would want to stop this.

Yes! I refrained from a detailed comment because I didn't want to get attacked, so thank you very much for this comment. Abortion is a terrible and sad situation for everyone involved. It's not a celebration matter. Colombia approved it for up to 24 months! It's so far off into the pregnancy! I try not to think about it too much since it's something that it's out of my control, but it brings me a great amount of sadness for those babies who didn't ask to be created and also have no power of decision in their final moments.

building artificial wombs to transplant fetuses into during early stages of development. With technology like that readily available, we could Kyle XY this shit and abortions would become obsolete, removing any need for further debate.

Is that possible? Probably an ignorant comment on my part, but I never heard about it. I will definitely look more into it. Sounds too good to be true!

 

[Lost in a Dream]

Is that possible? Probably an ignorant comment on my part, but I never heard about it. I will definitely look more into it. Sounds too good to be true!

I heard that there might be some specialists researching this on a secular pro-life blog, but I have no idea how long it might take for something like that to become a reality. I think it would have been kind of cool if I had been "born" out of an artificial womb in the gynecology department of some hospital though. As a kid, I could have bragged about being created in a lab.

 

[HoneyandGlass]

Have they even considered when a pregnant woman is diagnosed with cancer and would need to terminate the pregnancy to save her life for other children she may have?
I cannot fathom the thought process behind these sorts of decisions.
Sad sad times.
Shame on those decision makers.

 

[Angi]

Have they even considered when a pregnant woman is diagnosed with cancer and would need to terminate the pregnancy to save her life for other children she may have?
I cannot fathom the thought process behind these sorts of decisions.
Sad sad times.
Shame on those decision makers.

Nope. Why bother considering someone else's situation? They are not you.

This is also where the talk about blood and cut fetuses stems from. "I do not want to see this. Don't care what happens to the mentioned fetus instead."

Sarcasm aside, this ruling needed to stand because the US has failed to get proper legislation on the matter, for decades. I wish it did now. I want to hope the rage on the streets will be so loud, and the rage at the voting boxes so massive, that this can be codified the correct way now.

I am sick to my stomach about this and I am glad I am not the only one here.

 

[Lullaby]

Pro-lifers immediately lose interest in the fetus the moment it takes it's first breath outside the womb.

So many children in this world being abused, assaulted, and murdered. A lot of the time by their own parents. If only people cared the same way for these kids after they're born. I see tons of them on social media going on about how precious lives are going to be saved, when the reality is, it won't be for a lot them.

 

[Trezzohno]

Yikes i live in a country the former US president described as a ''shithole'' but as of now we have better abortion rights. You can a get a safe abortion in a clinic for about 100 dollars.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Contraception, anyone? Celibacy?

Wish I was aborted before birth, but it's never too late.

 

[whatevs]

Yes! I refrained from a detailed comment because I didn't want to get attacked, so thank you very much for this comment. Abortion is a terrible and sad situation for everyone involved. It's not a celebration matter. Colombia approved it for up to 24 months!

Colombia has legalized murdering one year old babies? That's what I'm talking about, THESE are reproductive rights! Changed your mind 15 months after birth? No problem, just cancel your child!

 

[Sibyl Vane]

Colombia has legalized murdering one year old babies? That's what I'm talking about, THESE are reproductive rights! Changed your mind 15 months after birth? No problem, just cancel your child!

I just realized I wrote months instead of weeks

But honestly, I would not be surprised if it was the case, as long as we get rid of the problem so we can go back as quickly as possible to the cycle of promiscuous and unprotective sex without further annoyances and responsibilities weighing us down.

 

[ayb]

I can see both sides of thge issue. When I see all the pictures of bloody babies who were cut to pieces in the womb I can see why people would want to stop this.

Which is misleading because the vast majority of abortions in the developed world (like approaching 95%) happen during the first trimester. The majority of European countries have abortion on demand allowed during the first 12-14 weeks only (with anything later only to save the life of the mother, fetal deformity or disease, rape, incest, and mental status of the mother).

The GOP states want a complete ban on abortion completely unless it's to save the life of the mother.

 

[Someone123]

Which is misleading because the vast majority of abortions in the developed world (like approaching 95%) happen during the first trimester. The majority of European countries have abortion on demand allowed during the first 12-14 weeks only (with anything later only to save the life of the mother, fetal deformity or disease, rape, incest, and mental status of the mother).

The GOP states want a complete ban on abortion completely unless it's to save the life of the mother.

I believe that many of the cases for exception are worth having, but I also believe there is something wrong with protecting the woman's body but not in protecting the baby's body- we all started in the womb, alive in the womb, and I do think it is important to protect his baby's right to live.

 

[Angi]

Which is misleading because the vast majority of abortions in the developed world (like approaching 95%) happen during the first trimester. The majority of European countries have abortion on demand allowed during the first 12-14 weeks only (with anything later only to save the life of the mother, fetal deformity or disease, rape, incest, and mental status of the mother).

The GOP states want a complete ban on abortion completely unless it's to save the life of the mother.

I wish we could expect functioning exceptions to save the life of the mother. At the point where the doctor can PROVE that the mother's life is in danger, it is usually too late for both anyhow. Exceptions for the life of the mother are nothing but a figleaf. (Source: OBgyns from a country that just recently legalized abortion.)

Choice anyone? I may not choose to die, but I may not choose to live either, if it comes at the cost of someone else's control over my body.

Contraception, anyone? Celibacy?

Wish I was aborted before birth, but it's never too late.

Well, contraception goes next, according to Thomas. Celibacy it is. Or do a judge or senator, I bet their mistresses get abortions alright!


If any of this was about the babies, we would need to start giving mothers resources to raise the babies, rather than keep them from having an abortion. Statisics say most abortions (92%) are about not being able to raise the child, not about not wanting to. Now imagine a person who will abort their child while having the option to give it a good, or even a decent life. Would anyone rather be raised by this kind of person than dead?

 

[thankyouforthis]

I am not in USA but just want to say I hate America right now. I know this is reductionist but this disgusting decision is all I can think about and I just need to sleep.

Out of all the shit things in the world, this has led to me thinking there is no hope for this world at all if stupid decisions get made by this.

I hope those that made this decision burn in hell. If there is such a thing.

It's all good-- I live here, and I hate America, too.

 

[odradek]

I believe that many of the cases for exception are worth having, but I also believe there is something wrong with protecting the woman's body but not in protecting the baby's body- we all started in the womb, alive in the womb, and I do think it is important to protect his baby's right to live.

Says the man who cannot get pregnant, is unlikely to be raped, and has no intention of adopting any children. Yeah protect the baby but do it over there so I can continue to live in fantasy land where a zygote has to file taxes.

How did you come to your beliefs that zygotes cry when they're aborted in the womb and it traumatizes the mother? I am genuinely curious.

 

[Someone123]

Says the man who cannot get pregnant, is unlikely to be raped, and has no intention of adopting any children. Yeah protect the baby but do it over there so I can continue to live in fantasy land where a zygote has to file taxes.

How did you come to your beliefs that zygotes cry when they're aborted in the womb and it traumatizes the mother? I am genuinely curious.

Some women have heard their baby crying when they have had later term abortions, this is well-documented, and some of these women have become very dedicated anti-abortion protestors due to this experience.

 

[odradek]

Some women have heard their baby crying when they have had later term abortions, this is well-documented, and some of these women have become very dedicated anti-abortion protestors due to this experience.

Please provide the documents then. That's all I'm asking. Maybe I'll understand your position better. It's also telling how you skipped over my other points.

 

[Someone123]

Please provide the documents then. That's all I'm asking. Maybe I'll understand your position better. It's also telling how you skipped over my other points.

It's not telling- it's just that I don't there is any valid argument there- I believe that these living babies deserve to keep living. I also don't see any point in a long argument about it because my opinion won't change and your opinion won't change, it's not worth the time or energy for this- we have differeent opinions on this, It happens- not everyone agrees with you on everything- that's a fact of life.

 

[odradek]

It's not telling- it's just that I don't there is any valid argument there- I believe that these living babies deserve to keep living. I also don't see any point in a long argument about it because my opinion won't change and your opinion won't change, it's not worth the time or energy for this- we have differeent opinions on this, It happens- not everyone agrees with you on everything- that's a fact of life.

Then can you at least show me the proof of your other assertion. Maybe I'll understand you better.

 

[Someone123]

Following is a link to an article about babies crying during abortions- a quote from this article (from 2015) says:

"More than 18,000 'very late term' abortions are performed every year on perfectly healthy unborn babies in America. These are innocent and defenseless children who can not only feel pain, but who can survive outside of the womb in most cases, and who are torturously killed without even basic anesthesia."

"Many of them cry and scream as they die, but because it is amniotic fluid going over their vocal cords instead of air, we don't hear them," he said.

Not all babies scream silently during abortions. The cries of some babies are heard loud and clear.


A former employee at the abortion clinic Kermit Gosnell ran in Philadelphia described how she heard a baby scream during a live-birth abortion. Abortion clinic employee Sherry West described an incident which "really freaked (her) out" and related to the jury how she heard a child scream who was born alive following an abortion."

Baby Screamed During Live-Birth Abortion, We Can’t Forget This Baby’s Cries | American Values

www.ouramericanvalues.org

 

[ConstantPain]

Contraception, anyone? Celibacy?

Wish I was aborted

Following is a link to an article about babies crying during abortions- a quote from this article (from 2015) says:

"More than 18,000 'very late term' abortions are performed every year on perfectly healthy unborn babies in America. These are innocent and defenseless children who can not only feel pain, but who can survive outside of the womb in most cases, and who are torturously killed without even basic anesthesia."

"Many of them cry and scream as they die, but because it is amniotic fluid going over their vocal cords instead of air, we don't hear them," he said.

Not all babies scream silently during abortions. The cries of some babies are heard loud and clear.


A former employee at the abortion clinic Kermit Gosnell ran in Philadelphia described how she heard a baby scream during a live-birth abortion. Abortion clinic employee Sherry West described an incident which "really freaked (her) out" and related to the jury how she heard a child scream who was born alive following an abortion."

Baby Screamed During Live-Birth Abortion, We Can’t Forget This Baby’s Cries | American Values

www.ouramericanvalues.org

But of course the "source" is "our americanvalues.org". Please
To restate your own words, not everyone is going to agree, it's a fact of life. So why can't you be satisfied making your own choice to not have or support an abortion? What gives you the right to tell me or anyone else that we can't make a different choice?