Research Chems

[LurkerMcGee]

Newbie, please delete if unacceptable (obviously)

I'm surprised that there aren't more posts about research chems on here. Is it just because the purity can be iffy? Seems like there are tests for most of them. And most don't seem to illegal in the US, and you don't have to go on the DN to get them. Are there other sites that that go into detail about how to ctb w them? All I've found are recreational topics. Open to PM's.

 

[Red]

Good idea, I'd also be interested to learn!

 

[LurkerMcGee]

Good idea, I'd also be interested to learn!

It seems like a no brainer to me! But I can't find anywhere that discusses ctb' ing with them.

 

[Studio84]

This is a subject I was hoping to find out more about myself... Although I'm uk based and it seems like our government blanket banned everything research based a couple of years ago. Anyone uk based know if it's still even possible to get research chems on the clearnet these days?

 

[rt1989526]

I'm dumb, what's a "research chemical"? I have SN that is classified a laboratory reagent is that similar?

 

[LurkerMcGee]

I'm dumb, what's a "research chemical"? I have SN that is classified a laboratory reagent is that similar?

No. If you do an internet search for it, it should be abundantly clear what the term means.

 

[rt1989526]

No. If you do an internet search for it, it should be abundantly clear what the term means.

Thanks dick. Sounds like the shit they're already prescribing.

 

[LurkerMcGee]

Thanks dick. Sounds like the shit they're already prescribing.

Ouch. My apologies for offending you.

This is a subject I was hoping to find out more about myself... Although I'm uk based and it seems like our government blanket banned everything research based a couple of years ago. Anyone uk based know if it's still even possible to get research chems on the clearnet these days?

Sadly, I think you're correct from what I've read. I hope a UK member can assist.

 

[Meditation guide]

Thanks dick.

Is that his name, or... ?

I just found one called
Phenethylamine
I'm going to try it.

 

[Studio84]

Ouch. My apologies for offending you.

Sadly, I think you're correct from what I've read. I hope a UK member can assist.

Yeah sadly I think i already know the answer to my own question ha! I've not looked into it to much but I stopped being able to get phenibut and kratom a few years back so just assumed if they were hard to get anything stronger would be impossible!

 

[Meditation guide]

Phenethylamine is available as a supplement and it sounds like a dandy one. Increases epinephrine in the synapses, that can't be bad.
In the United States, phenibut is legal to possess, but not approved as a licensed pharmaceutical drug by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

 

[LurkerMcGee]

Yeah sadly I think i already know the answer to my own question ha! I've not looked into it to much but I stopped being able to get phenibut and kratom a few years back so just assumed if they were hard to get anything stronger would be impossible!

I wish you the best of luck!

Phenethylamine is available as a supplement and it sounds like a dandy one. Increases epinephrine in the synapses, that can't be bad.
In the United States, phenibut is legal to possess, but not approved as a licensed pharmaceutical drug by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

I'm not familiar with this one at all. I hesitate to note the ones I'm researching, as it seems these threads can be publicly viewable. But basically it seems some opioid and benzo analogues are available without resorting to the darknet. I was super excited about butanediol (not a "research chem", but seemingly able to allow someone to ctb without much pain), but it's no longer available on the clearnet. All I want is a relatively painless way to ctb. N obviously seems to be the best, but beset with procurement issues. SN is easy to get, but just seems to me that it could be potentially (knowingly) painful. I have enough pain in my life, would just love to doze off... forever.

 

[Studio84]

Just my personal opinion but I think this research chemical type method is perfect for people looking for a way to make things look more "accidental/misadventure"

 

[LurkerMcGee]

Just my personal opinion but I think this research chemical type method is perfect for people looking for a way to make things look more "accidental/misadventure"

It seems so. I have no worries about being determined a suicide. But I have to admit a ruling in the UK of "death by misadventure" has always been interesting to me. The UK seems to have quite the way to turn a phrase. I'm sure it has different implications in the UK. Here, they just say, "this sad sack (junkie) overdosed on xx". Misadventure sounds so much more innocuous than "overdose". Certainly could be wrong.

 

[Bauhaus]

I'm dumb, what's a "research chemical"?

List of designer drugs

Some are meds that were already made in the 60s or 70s but were never marketed. Others are existing meds where they changed the molecule slightly to bypass the law.
Afaik they're all manufactured in China and then exported to European webshops, usually located in the Netherlands.
A lot on the list are already gone.
Importing them into the UK might be a problem, 'cos of the UK blanket ban in 2016.
There will also be a Dutch blanket ban, banning some categories.
For more info check Research Chemicals Discussion.

 

[rt1989526]

List of designer drugs

Some are meds that were already made in the 60s or 70s but were never marketed. Others are existing meds where they changed the molecule slightly to bypass the law.
Afaik they're all manufactured in China and then exported to European webshops, usually located in the Netherlands.
A lot on the list are already gone.
Importing them into the UK might be a problem, 'cos of the UK blanket ban in 2016.
There will also be a Dutch blanket ban, banning some categories.
For more info check Research Chemicals Discussion.

Thanks!

 

[Red]

Yeah sadly I think i already know the answer to my own question ha! I've not looked into it to much but I stopped being able to get phenibut and kratom a few years back so just assumed if they were hard to get anything stronger would be impossible!

You can still get Kratom in the U.K; I ordered and tried it a few weeks ago, although found that it did nothing for me

 

[Studio84]

Oh right, I haven't really looked for a long time. To be honest it never really did much for me either.I was a functioning alcoholic at the time and it did help me to cut down on the booze a bit.I much prefered phenibut, I tried them both around the same time and continued to use phenibut til it became hard to get.

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

I like using Phenibut, that's in the gray area at the moment it's not like the drugs that were mentioned on the tv a while back in 2016 when the government did the blanket ban like you don't end up passed on the street but it does have influence on emotions and behaviour but in a good way you can get stuff done, be productive and improves mood. Unlike the prescription counterparts that numb emotions and robot your brain,

 

[Red]

A lot of websites that come up look decidedly shady, claiming to sell all extremely illegal stuff too - I take it I should avoid these sites?

 

[Bauhaus]

I dunno which ones are legal in the US, but it might be tough to find a vendor that ships to the US.
There aren't many rc opioids around anymore, unfortunately I missed the "golden age" of rc opioids when strong fentanyl analogues were around.
RC opioids that are now available and popular:
- ODSMT: the metabolite of tramadol, also has NARI (noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor) properties like tramadol (but not SSRI)
- 2-methyl-AP237 & AP238: I take them for anxiety, they're pretty caustic though.
Others:
- brorphine: strong opioid, no euphoria and it now appears to effect hERG and is bad for your heart.
- etazene & metonitazene: the first one has also nari & ssri properties. The latter very little is known, is it solvable in water or in an 'edible' solvent ? Does it only effects the mu-receptor or does it also effects other receptors (non-opioid) ?

In short, I wouldn't advice any of them for ctb, they might have undesirable adverse effects and it's too much of a gamble.

A lot of websites that come up look decidedly shady, claiming to sell all extremely illegal stuff too - I take it I should avoid these sites?

Yes, a lot of them are scammers. In the past there were fora and also a subreddit to discuss rc vendors but they're gone now.

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

A lot of the RC vendors have gone underground into the dark net now since the blanket ban

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I dunno which ones are legal in the US, but it might be tough to find a vendor that ships to the US.
There aren't many rc opioids around anymore, unfortunately I missed the "golden age" of rc opioids when strong fentanyl analogues were around.
RC opioids that are now available and popular:
- ODSMT: the metabolite of tramadol, also has NARI (noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor) properties like tramadol (but not SSRI)
- 2-methyl-AP237 & AP238: I take them for anxiety, they're pretty caustic though.
Others:
- brorphine: strong opioid, no euphoria and it now appears to effect hERG and is bad for your heart.
- etazene & metonitazene: the first one has also nari & ssri properties. The latter very little is known, is it solvable in water or in an 'edible' solvent ? Does it only effects the mu-receptor or does it also effects other receptors (non-opioid) ?

In short, I wouldn't advice any of them for ctb, they might have undesirable adverse effects and it's too much of a gamble.


Yes, a lot of them are scammers. In the past there were fora and also a subreddit to discuss rc vendors but they're gone now.

Thanks. That info is really helpful.Yes i also didn't know about the fentanyl analogues that would have made ctb easy. But all those seems to be gone now.
I found a few websites that might ship some of these opiod analogues to the U.S.. I guess i might have to just take my chances with a test order and hopefully LE doesn't arrest me and i don't get scammed. Do you think that an opiod analogue could reduce the pain of drowning to make it still painfull but at least bearable? All i want is a relatively painless exit , just not that excruciating unbearable pain and agony.

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

You have watch yourself you don't get scammed off these websites,

 

[Bauhaus]

Do you think that an opiod analogue could reduce the pain of drowning to make it still painfull but at least bearable? All i want is a relatively painless exit , just not that excruciating unbearable pain and agony.

Opioids & benzos might help with severe anxiety before the act, but I doubt they will help much during ctb :(

 

[Meditation guide]

I like using Phenibut

I have not found anything yet saying it's phenibut. I see other things being sold when I do a search for it, but no way to identify it specifically as that.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Opioids & benzos might help with severe anxiety before the act, but I doubt they will help much during ctb :(

Is brorphine about as strong as F for ctb purposes about 1 gram oral = death? How many mgs of brorphine ,ap238 , etc to take orally to go unconscious or to start feeling the analgesic (pain killing) effect ?

 

[LurkerMcGee]

Opioids & benzos might help with severe anxiety before the act, but I doubt they will help much during ctb :(

Thank you for your insight. What I had read is that people had OD'd on them with high enough dosages, especially when mixed with alcohol. But I guess you can read anything on the internet. I really thought this might be my magic (fairly painless) "bullet". On to research other things.