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ncmxm

Experienced
Jun 9, 2021
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What the title says. Usually when I get worse I tell myself "if I ctb I won't ever be able to do..." and then name some thing that I want to do. Now when I do this and think about the things I want to do I'm just like "and so what, I don't give a shit if I do it or not"

I don't give a shit about hurting my parents with my ctbing either

I don't have hope for the future because no matter what I try things end up just getting worse

I need something to hold on to
 
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summers

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@ncmxm Maybe instead of thinking about things you haven't done, but may want to do, focus on things you have done and would like to do again? Although, I'm kind of in the same boat as you - I have a timeframe for my trip. Sure there are some things that I may want to experience, but I'm at the point where I've done just about everything important I've wanted to.

It's a good thing that you are focusing on yourself with your choice to ctb. We're all going to hurt someone when we leave. If you want to live, live for yourself.
 
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ncmxm

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@ncmxm Maybe instead of thinking about things you haven't done, but may want to do, focus on things you have done and would like to do again? Although, I'm kind of in the same boat as you - I have a timeframe for my trip. Sure there are some things that I may want to experience, but I'm at the point where I've done just about everything important I've wanted to.

It's a good thing that you are focusing on yourself with your choice to ctb. We're all going to hurt someone when we leave. If you want to live, live for yourself.

Thank you so much for your reply, but it isn't helping either, it's the same reaction, "I don't give a shit if I do them again or not"
 
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olkf

I smile by your disgrace
Jan 21, 2022
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I just consider it rather I do it or not. I am dead. This is really helpful for me.
 
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Zzzzz

Nothing compares to the bliss of death.
Aug 8, 2018
879
I'm in the same boat. I don't have anything to look forward to.
 
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whatevs

whatevs

Mining for copium in the weirdest places.
Jan 15, 2022
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This is a tough one, for me it's my family holding me back 50%, then the survival instinct. Once these are gone, well... What used to make me feel alive and hopeful might work for you: having friends or a romantic relationship, having an interest in art, culture or technology...

Of course, I can't provide you with these, but it will 50 dollars for the consultation, thank you very much.
 
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Sherri

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Sep 28, 2020
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Yeah that's a tough question cause all of us are so different. Me I take it day by day, some are good, some are bad, and it goes on and on. The world at the moment is a question mark to all of us. What does the future holds for us? Wish I had the answer. Sending you a big hug, you are not alone on this matter.
 
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Un-

I'm a failure. An absolute waste. A LOSEr.
Apr 6, 2021
652
I'm not a life-coach, nor am I a psychologist. However I do think about, and search for content that answers problems such as these. So don't take my advice as gospel.

I would recommend two things to take into consideration: meaning, and responsibility. You can't have one without the other. For example, in a relationship that you may want to pursue, maybe the person you're with is someone really special to you, you have to find the meaning behind the relationship. Understand what you want from it, what they want from it, and why. Reasons such as physical attraction, wanting children, compatible professions and so forth don't contribute to the overall meaning of the relationship. What does, however, is the same moral principles - principles such as respect, dignity, discipline. Or the same character, such as wanting to strive to become better, wanting to learn about the multiple areas that define a successful life, and so forth. This is impossible to achieve without taking responsibility - that maybe you are a problem because your principles don't align with theirs, or that your passions and dreams may not be fully realised at the sacrifice of the passion and dreams shared between yourself and your partner.

Taking this dichotomy into consideration, it becomes more clearer to determine a reason to continue living. Give yourself substantial meaning - this will be controversial, but you cannot find meaning that's substantial based on materialistic, temporal, or sentimental things. The reason why you are alive cannot be because of the next movie in the MCU. It cannot be because of your partner. It cannot be because of a memory, or because you want to achieve a particular net worth. This is because once you obtain that particular thing, what next? Are you onto the next thing that temporarily distracts you from the evident pointlessness of your life?

Additionally, you have to take responsibility. You have to head into life knowing its full of suffering and despair, but you have to take responsibility and know that no one other than yourself can fill that void. You have to take the time to plan the steps to further support your meaning, to take sacrifices and uncomfortable situations, to realise error - serious error - is part of finding what will truly make you content, to realise that the more you leave your responsibility to intangible concepts such as God's Will, Astrology, Fate, even (injustice) systems such as racism and sexism, the less likely you are to actualize what you define as meaning.

A few examples of substantial meaning and responsibility are:
Religion. (Yes, this is a controversial take on this website due to people's trauma from it). Christians, for example, take responsibility in knowing that they have a purpose on Earth given by God. That this purpose is cannot be complete by any other individual other than themselves. Their meaning stems from the fact that they are irreplaceable, and serve a significant role of a much bigger purpose. This type of meaning won't disappear, regardless of how much time, or how many activities they do. This is a substantial meaning because it stands the test of time. A typical Christians responsibility is to ensure that their time spent on Earth is used to find and pursue this meaning. They take the responsibility of setting aside their personal wants and needs, because of this meaning. They take the responsibility of knowing that they may not always get what they want, and that they may go through a lot of pain to reach this meaning, but once achieved, they'll feel complete and confident they have lived a good life.

Another example is community. Humans are social animals - regardless of how long someone can go without contacting a human. It's common to find meaning in your community, such as aiming to contribute and support the people and place that define you - this could be your family, your locals, etc. Think about becoming a teacher - your meaning is contributing to the betterment of the next generation. It's educating to the best of your abilities the children that will soon run the world. While corny at first glance, when does anyone with a community, and a passion for educating ever stop teaching? They teach school children in their youth; their children at Middle age and older; their grandchildren at retirement. A meaning that truly does not end, similar to religion, until you die. Their responsibility is typically to understand that maybe their romantic schema won't be as large as they hoped it would be. Maybe the salary they make won't be great. Maybe at times there will be children difficult to work with; children that infuriate them. But they also take the responsibility to not give into these drawbacks. To understand the need to be resilient, and to be content with so little.

While these examples are vague, and may not encompass everything, the basic idea to derive from this is that a reason to live doesn't come from immediate self benefit; it doesn't come from what people perceive to be reasons, but are in actuality just milestones that help distract them from the greater problem. Meaning ultimately consists of giving, not just taking. And when you give, you have to take some responsibility. Is it as straightforward, and easy as I've described it to be? No. It requires a lot of thinking, and a lot of strength because life, again, is filled with suffering, trails and tribulations.

Again, I'm not an all-knowing wizard. It's best to seek further explanation, or better advice from a professional, from books or other media.

Apologies for any typo, incorrect grammar, et al.
 
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Sep 25, 2018
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I think that's what everyone wants really. An actual reason to go on that isn't just platitudes
 
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Dec 10, 2021
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"What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to love once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sign and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence--even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!'

Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.' If this thought gained possession of you, it would change you as you are or perhaps crush you. the question in each and everything, 'Do you desire this once more and innumerable times more?' would you lie upon your actions as the greatest weight. Or how well disposed of would you have to become to yourself and to life?"

This is some writing that helped me think through similar thoughts I was having a few months ago, I hope it can help you too.
 
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CelestialGoddess

Mental health is a process. You will smile again.
Jan 24, 2022
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I'm not a life-coach, nor am I a psychologist. However I do think about, and search for content that answers problems such as these. So don't take my advice as gospel.

I would recommend two things to take into consideration: meaning, and responsibility. You can't have one without the other. For example, in a relationship that you may want to pursue, maybe the person you're with is someone really special to you, you have to find the meaning behind the relationship. Understand what you want from it, what they want from it, and why. Reasons such as physical attraction, wanting children, compatible professions and so forth don't contribute to the overall meaning of the relationship. What does, however, is the same moral principles - principles such as respect, dignity, discipline. Or the same character, such as wanting to strive to become better, wanting to learn about the multiple areas that define a successful life, and so forth. This is impossible to achieve without taking responsibility - that maybe you are a problem because your principles don't align with theirs, or that your passions and dreams may not be fully realised at the sacrifice of the passion and dreams shared between yourself and your partner.

Taking this dichotomy into consideration, it becomes more clearer to determine a reason to continue living. Give yourself substantial meaning - this will be controversial, but you cannot find meaning that's substantial based on materialistic, temporal, or sentimental things. The reason why you are alive cannot be because of the next movie in the MCU. It cannot be because of your partner. It cannot be because of a memory, or because you want to achieve a particular net worth. This is because once you obtain that particular thing, what next? Are you onto the next thing that temporarily distracts you from the evident pointlessness of your life?

Additionally, you have to take responsibility. You have to head into life knowing its full of suffering and despair, but you have to take responsibility and know that no one other than yourself can fill that void. You have to take the time to plan the steps to further support your meaning, to take sacrifices and uncomfortable situations, to realise error - serious error - is part of finding what will truly make you content, to realise that the more you leave your responsibility to intangible concepts such as God's Will, Astrology, Fate, even (injustice) systems such as racism and sexism, the less likely you are to actualize what you define as meaning.

A few examples of substantial meaning and responsibility are:
Religion. (Yes, this is a controversial take on this website due to people's trauma from it). Christians, for example, take responsibility in knowing that they have a purpose on Earth given by God. That this purpose is cannot be complete by any other individual other than themselves. Their meaning stems from the fact that they are irreplaceable, and serve a significant role of a much bigger purpose. This type of meaning won't disappear, regardless of how much time, or how many activities they do. This is a substantial meaning because it stands the test of time. A typical Christians responsibility is to ensure that their time spent on Earth is used to find and pursue this meaning. They take the responsibility of setting aside their personal wants and needs, because of this meaning. They take the responsibility of knowing that they may not always get what they want, and that they may go through a lot of pain to reach this meaning, but once achieved, they'll feel complete and confident they have lived a good life.

Another example is community. Humans are social animals - regardless of how long someone can go without contacting a human. It's common to find meaning in your community, such as aiming to contribute and support the people and place that define you - this could be your family, your locals, etc. Think about becoming a teacher - your meaning is contributing to the betterment of the next generation. It's educating to the best of your abilities the children that will soon run the world. While corny at first glance, when does anyone with a community, and a passion for educating ever stop teaching? They teach school children in their youth; their children at Middle age and older; their grandchildren at retirement. A meaning that truly does not end, similar to religion, until you die. Their responsibility is typically to understand that maybe their romantic schema won't be as large as they hoped it would be. Maybe the salary they make won't be great. Maybe at times there will be children difficult to work with; children that infuriate them. But they also take the responsibility to not give into these drawbacks. To understand the need to be resilient, and to be content with so little.

While these examples are vague, and may not encompass everything, the basic idea to derive from this is that a reason to live doesn't come from immediate self benefit; it doesn't come from what people perceive to be reasons, but are in actuality just milestones that help distract them from the greater problem. Meaning ultimately consists of giving, not just taking. And when you give, you have to take some responsibility. Is it as straightforward, and easy as I've described it to be? No. It requires a lot of thinking, and a lot of strength because life, again, is filled with suffering, trails and tribulations.

Again, I'm not an all-knowing wizard. It's best to seek further explanation, or better advice from a professional, from books or other media.

Apologies for any typo, incorrect grammar, et al.
I could not respond earlier because my account was still under verification, but I wanted to say that a couple of hours ago, I felt so down. I decided to go on a suicide forum to see what I could find to make myself feel better, even though I completely did not believe that I could improve myself and had no hope of how I would figure it out. But this post seriously enlightened me. I am thankful that the universe brought me to your reply. You should be aware that you are making an impact and helping others when you spread this information, and I am so thankful that you had such useful information and advice. Thank you so much, and I hope anyone reading this is improving!
 
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Baemo

Baemo

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Jan 21, 2022
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I guess it's due to my mood which changes very often. One moment I am feel like I could do anything, the other I feel very miserable.
 
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MaskedMan12345

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Jan 20, 2022
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"What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to love once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sign and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence--even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!'

Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.' If this thought gained possession of you, it would change you as you are or perhaps crush you. the question in each and everything, 'Do you desire this once more and innumerable times more?' would you lie upon your actions as the greatest weight. Or how well disposed of would you have to become to yourself and to life?"

This is some writing that helped me think through similar thoughts I was having a few months ago, I hope it can help you too.
Such an interesting passage. It's Nietzsche's idea of "eternal recurrence." (from Nietzshe's THE GAY SCIENCE.) This is one of the few items of his that I don't have too much difficulty understanding. Thanks for posting.
 

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