question about overdoses

[stupidldiot]

ok so i've heard that overdosing on prescription or non prescription drugs hardly ever works these days like it used to in the past, just wondering is it because the medicines have been altered and tamed or is it more to do with people having access to the emergency services now more than ever, so when someone overdoses and it starts becoming painful they immediately can get an ambulance out to them. or is it both. ive heard that low level painkiller overdoses like paracetamol are actually agonizing but take a few days before they start killing you.

 

[Chiisai]

I believe it has to do with it being regulated. It might have been altered to smaller doses or into similar drugs but does not have a serious side effect. Paracetamol overdose can lead to liver failure IN A FEW DAYS. So it'll be real agonizing within that timespan and if you get rushed to a hospital, there is no guarantee you will be free from liver damage.

 

[Ednospatient]

There used to be heavy duty barbiturates available on prescription back in like the 60's but so many people were catching the bus the companies had to make the pills hard to OD on

 

[Ethereal Knight]

it depends on what drug you're talking about.

the amitriptyline cocktail method is considered extremely reliable and PPeH talks about it.

this is the method I was gonna use before I learned about SN.

if amitriptyline is not prescribed a lot for depression it's because new antidepressants came to the market, the SSRIs, which are safer in overdoses and have less side-effects so people tolerate they more.

but it's still prescribed a lot when we're talking about insomnia, migraines, nocturia etc.

I went to the doctor and just said that I was taking it before with other doctor (it was a lie, I never took it before) to treat my insomnia, it worked very well, but I stopped due to weight gain, and now I wanna go back to it because my insomnia got worse - that's pretty much what I said, and he have me the prescription instantly. was not hard at all. besides insomnia, if I told him I had migraines, that would be an extra reason to prescript, since it also treats migraines.

but now talking about other drugs, if you check Marilyn Monroe suicide, you'll see that the drug she used to do it is now banned or restricted.
maybe just like this drug, a lot of others have been banned too.

the companies want to make money, they don't wanna waste investments on something that's gonna disappear from the market or give them legal trouble.

when we're talking about epidiomiological statistics, now overdose suicide attempts look terrible, but these statistics don't tell a lot, as these numbers are drawn down by people who attempt to CTB with things like paracetamol, sertraline or risperidone. they not only don't die, but also become extremely sick. yes, people make bad choices. so many try to CTB with drugs that are anything but suitable for CTB, therefore the general statistics look terrible.

but if you looked at statistics of people who took more than 5g of amitriptyline dissolved in water, one hour after taking 30mg of metoclopramide, and they were alone and not found in time to be taken to the hospital, these people died. I know there probably aren't studies with these specific settings, but we can predict that this would be the outcome, as amitriptyline is very effective, especially when well-used in high doses, with meto, and in a place where they won't be found.

the PPeH recommends 30mg of metoclopramide and, one hour later, 8 to 10g of amitriptyline dissolved in a cup of water. this is extremely reliable.

some people have died with as little as 3g of amitriptyline. so when we talk about drug overdoses, we need to ask ourselves what especifically is the drug we're talking about, what's the reliability, how much time does it take, how peaceful it is, what about storage and shelf life of drugs, and what's the dangers of failing.

the PPeH also talks about opioids, insulin, chloroquine, propoxypheme, and what they call "the lethal drug mixtures".

study it instead of being like other people who just do it on impulse with paracetamol or risperidone, and then the epidemiological statistics will be irrevelant for you.

there are reliable options, you really just need to know what you're doing.

 

[stupidldiot]

it depends on what drug you're talking about.

the amitriptyline cocktail method is considered extremely reliable and PPeH talks about it.

this is the method I was gonna use before I learned about SN.

if amitriptyline is not prescribed a lot for depression it's because new antidepressants came to the market, the SSRIs, which are safer in overdoses and have less side-effects so people tolerate they more.

but it's still prescribed a lot when we're talking about insomnia, migraines, nocturia etc.

I went to the doctor and just said that I was taking it before with other doctor (it was a lie, I never took it before) to treat my insomnia, it worked very well, but I stopped due to weight gain, and now I wanna go back to it because my insomnia got worse - that's pretty much what I said, and he have me the prescription instantly. was not hard at all. besides insomnia, if I told him I had migraines, that would be an extra reason to prescript, since it also treats migraines.

but now talking about other drugs, if you check Marilyn Monroe suicide, you'll see that the drug she used to do it is now banned or restricted.
maybe just like this drug, a lot of others have been banned too.
and the companies want to make money, they don't wanna waste investments on something that's gonna disappear from the market or give them legal trouble.

when we're talking about epidiomological statistics, now overdose suicide attempts look terrible, but these statistics don't tell a lot, as these numbers are drawn down by people who attempt to CTB with things like paracetamol, sertraline or risperidone. they not only don't die, but also become extremely sick. yes, people make bad choices. so many try to CTB with drugs that are anything but suitable for CTB, therefore the general statistics look terrible.

but if you look at statistics of people who took more than 5g of amitriptyline dissolved in water, one hour after taking 30mg of metoclopramide, and they were alone and not found in time to be taken to the hospital, these people died.

the PPeH recommends 30mg of metoclopramide and, one hour later, 8 to 10g of amitriptyline dissolved in a cup of water. this is extremely reliable.

some people have died with as little as 3g of amitriptyline. so when we talk about drug overdoses, we need to ask ourselves what especifically is the drug we're talking about, what's the reliability, how much time does it take, how peaceful it is, what about storage and shelf life of drugs, and what's the dangers of failing.

the PPeH also talks about opioids, insulin, chloroquine, propoxypheme, and what they call "the lethal drug mixtures".

study it instead of being like other people who just do it on impulse with paracetamol or risperidone, and then the epidemiological statistics will be irrevelant for you.

there are reliable options, you really just need to know what you're doing.

i wish there was info on what illnesses to feign to get these drugs. i live in a very restricted part of the world (Ireland) and my only chance would be pretending to be ill, someone was telling me i could get the amitriptyline by pretending to have severe back pain. as for the metoclopramide i dont know.

 

[Ethereal Knight]

i wish there was info on what illnesses to feign to get these drugs. i live in a very restricted part of the world (Ireland) and my only chance would be pretending to be ill, someone was telling me i could get the amitriptyline by pretending to have severe back pain. as for the metoclopramide i dont know.

amitriptyline treats so many things. and some of them just require a lie to get the prescription. insomnia and migraines are good examples. no one is gonna be with you in your room to check if you really have insomnia or not. as far as migraines, there's no test to detect that someone has it, as far as I know. the person just needs to study the condition very well to be able to describe in detail their symptoms to the healthcare provider, so it sounds real.
it's also used to treat depression and anxiety, same thing as migraines and insomnia, you just need to know what you're talking about, write down your script and lie. you'll get your prescription.

on metoclopramide or domperidone: I wouldn't know how to get prescription for these. maybe someone here knows.

I think it's morally fine to manipulate the doctor into giving the prescription, because peaceful end-of-life methods shouldn't even be restricted to begin with. it's your body, so it's your choice what you put in there. you could put anything you want in your body, because that's your body.

the state doesn't own you, the church doesn't own you, your family doesn't own you, you own you.

 

[stupidldiot]

amitriptyline treats so many things. and some of them just require a lie to get the prescription. insomnia and migraines are good examples. no one is gonna be with you in your room to check if you really have insomnia or not. as far as migraines, there's no test to detect that someone has it, as far as I know. the person just needs to study the condition very well to be able to describe in detail their symptoms to the healthcare provider, so it sounds real.
it's also used to treat depression and anxiety, same thing as migraines and insomnia, you just need to know what you're talking about, write down your script and lie. you'll get your prescription.

on metoclopramide or domperidone: I wouldn't know how to get prescription for these. maybe someone here knows.

I think it's morally fine to manipulate the doctor into giving the prescription, because peaceful end-of-life methods shouldn't even be restricted to begin with. it's your body, so it's your choice what you put in there. you could put anything you want in your body, because that's your body.

the state doesn't own you, the church doesn't own you, your family doesn't own you, you own you.

i couldnt agree more, the only reason they make it so hard for us to ctb is to uphold the servant master relationship and keep us appearing out our shltty jobs that hold up their shltty economy. if N was made freely available to all tomorrow then there would be millions upon millions of deaths tomorrow. if one of the 1% require N tomorrow even if there was nothing technically wrong with them then it would be delivered on a silver platter tomorrow

 

[unkuto]

I can get amitriptyline pretty easy in my country as I was getting it when I had backpain. But it fucks me up pretty hard. Even one pill is enough to suck all the energy from me and make myself incapable to do anything for the next day if I'll take one before sleep. I'm scared to imagine how much cocktail is going to fuck me up if it fails.
The SN failing from what other people says doesn't seems to be as bad.

 

[Ethereal Knight]

the reason I cited amitriptyline is because this is one of the methods I researched, but there are other options of course. if you do research about chloroquine and propoxypheme for example, I'm sure you're gonna find great methods.

I'm scared to imagine how much cocktail is going to fuck me up if it fails.

amitriptyline is cardiotoxic (toxic to the heart). the cause of death after OD is usually cardiac failure.
almost no one will survive an amitriptyline overdose if they're not brought to the hospital.
but even people who are taken to the hospital may die. I'm not sure what happens if they survive, I guess maybe there would be damage to the heart?
if the person is really worried about it, they will do the protocol correctly, take the right doses and do it in a place where it's very unlikely that they will be found in the next 48 hours.
there's a case study published in which the patient survived and completely recovered after 2 weeks, which means no permanent damage, check it: https://bmcresnotes.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13104-016-1963-0

"
Background
Tricyclic antidepressants (TCA) are becoming one of the most frequently used substances in self poisoning. Significant morbidity and mortality associated with TCA overdose are often related to and refractory hypotension. We report the first case of survival after severe amitriptyline poisoning, leading to prolonged cardiac arrest and ventricular tachycardia (VT), resuscitated with 3 h of uninterrupted cardiac massage and Direct current (DC) shocks.

Case presentation
A 25 year old girl presented with severe amitriptyline poisoning causing pulseless VT and prolonged cardiac arrest. After 3 h of uninterrupted external cardiac massage, together with nine DC shocks and intra venous bicarbonate injections the rhythm reverted to a nodal tachycardia, initial 2D echocardiogram showed left ventricular dysfunction, which recovered to normal after 2 weeks and the patient had a complete recovery subsequently."

 

[unkuto]

the reason I cited amitriptyline is because this is one of the methods I researched, but there are other options of course. if you do research about chloroquine and propoxypheme for example, I'm sure you're gonna find great methods.


amitriptyline is cardiotoxic (toxic to the heart). the cause of death after OD is usually cardiac failure.
almost no one will survive an amitriptyline overdose if they're not brought to the hospital.
but even people who are taken to the hospital may die. I'm not sure what happens if they survive, I guess maybe there would be damage to the heart?
if the person is really worried about it, they will do the protocol correctly, take the right doses and do it in a place where it's very unlikely that they will be found in the next 48 hours.
there's a case study published in which the patient survived and completely recovered after 2 weeks, which means no permanent damage, check it: https://bmcresnotes.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13104-016-1963-0

"
Background
Tricyclic antidepressants (TCA) are becoming one of the most frequently used substances in self poisoning. Significant morbidity and mortality associated with TCA overdose are often related to and refractory hypotension. We report the first case of survival after severe amitriptyline poisoning, leading to prolonged cardiac arrest and ventricular tachycardia (VT), resuscitated with 3 h of uninterrupted cardiac massage and Direct current (DC) shocks.

Case presentation
A 25 year old girl presented with severe amitriptyline poisoning causing pulseless VT and prolonged cardiac arrest. After 3 h of uninterrupted external cardiac massage, together with nine DC shocks and intra venous bicarbonate injections the rhythm reverted to a nodal tachycardia, initial 2D echocardiogram showed left ventricular dysfunction, which recovered to normal after 2 weeks and the patient had a complete recovery subsequently."

Thanks. I'll consider it if I'll fail with SN more than 5 times.

 

[Ednospatient]

Thanks. I'll consider it if I'll fail with SN more than 5 times.

You can't really fail with SN 5 times haha

 

[sweetheart]

on metoclopramide or domperidone: I wouldn't know how to get prescription for these. maybe someone here knows.

I struggle with chronic nausea and have had no issue getting metoclopramide for that reason. I've also gotten it a few times to take with antibiotics or other drugs that may cause nausea. I get the impresssion they aren't hard to get if you ask, I don't think a doctor would suspect you'd want to use them to CTB.

 

[miserable_existance]

ok so i've heard that overdosing on prescription or non prescription drugs hardly ever works these days like it used to in the past, just wondering is it because the medicines have been altered and tamed or is it more to do with people having access to the emergency services now more than ever, so when someone overdoses and it starts becoming painful they immediately can get an ambulance out to them. or is it both. ive heard that low level painkiller overdoses like paracetamol are actually agonizing but take a few days before they start killing you.

Insulin could work